[Peanutbutta]

All caught up now. I want to review the info on the table before I make a vote. I don't really understand why Trull has 2 votes... to see if he panics?

[Grief]

Mentalist, on 23 February 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:

Grief, on 23 February 2011 - 05:28 PM, said:

I've got to go make some dinner, and then go out. Back in a couple of hours.

who are you and what have you done with the pepsi-guzzling, old-computer-cursing, always-doing-homework Grief?

Pepsi: As it happens I just had some. Fuck yeah.
Old computer: I play mostly from my laptop now. So now the target of my wrath is the wireless which forces me to migrate every few minutes by deciding to move which arbitrary point in the room is going to get reception.
Homework: Still far too much of it. On the plus side, I'm probably going to end up lessening my workload soon, because I took too much on this year and I'd rather do well in a smaller number of subjects than badly all around. The laptop means I can keep essay's and stuff open during mafia though, so I'm often working when there's not much happening on thread.

Though I did try to stop mentioning these things a while back when I decided that too many people were starting to hold grudges for me to have such obvious tells.

[Ace Hunter]

Online, I've lost my motivation, but I'll try talk anyway.

Grief, on 23 February 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

Vote Acehunter

He's got a high post count, but very little in the way of content, which I dislike. His interaction with ment in particular seems really dodgy to me. He vaguely accuses him, and then, after going back and reading the thread, decides there's nothing scummy about him. This seems scummy to me, because it looks like he was just putting some vague suspicions on thread to give impression of contributing, while remaining low-key, and coasting through day one.

Nice of you to point that out Grief. I can say my 'interaction' with Mentalist only involves him asking why I voted him, me saying gut feeling trying to find proof. Afterwards, I only actually say I found no evidence to support my gut feeling. I think I said that anyway.

Grief, on 23 February 2011 - 04:52 PM, said:

I disagree about providing pressure. He accused ment on gut basis, which doesn't produce much pressure. It also isn't a productive way to produce a reaction because it gives ment very little to react against. There's no case for him to argue, so it is a weak accusation. While it could provoke an over-reaction, it is extremely unlikely to, particularly in someone who's played for a while. It provides very little pressure because it is not backed up, and so is unlikely to lead to more votes.

I think if Acehunter was deliberately trying to put pressure or provoke a reaction from someone, to draw out scum, he would've posted something more substantial than what he did.

I wasn't trying provoke a reaction from him. It was gut feeling from the beginning, which I still have. I never said that the gut feeling disappeared. I just said that there was nothing that explained my gut feeling. See:

Ace Hunter, on 23 February 2011 - 10:28 AM, said:

Ok, reading all 16 pages, I haven't found jack to explain me distrusting Mentalist. I mean, his comments, apart from spam-time, are clear enough, and don't warrant suspicion.

[The Dude]

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

Vote The Dude.


Based on gut, certainly not enough to make a case, but there is way too much I don't like about the way you play right now. Here's the list of what I dislike and sets my scumdar off.

First there was the rather convenient leaving out of Roldom on your thoughts post. Guess who is killed? Roldom. OK, you might be framed, but hey, so what.


Second, you try to lend some weight to Venges kill. No problems in itself there, but hey.

Third, you go after people early on the Tatts train of yesterday. Now, thanks to the massive amount of discussion on whether or not it deserved to be a lynch, that was the only truly meaningful train. But you don't try and distill much from it, do you? Just looking at who was the earliest non-joke vote and tying it to your own gut (see point 1).

If we look where your vote was... well, it was on the Silencer may be a symp train. Which, as we all agree, even if he was a symp, would have given us a CF of inno and nothing more to work with.

I agree to a certain extent with dibs on the fearmongering you've done.
There is just too much stuff in your posts that makes you look like you want to smell of roses, and by the two targets you went for, it seems you might well try to steer everyone into happy town by lynching one of the culprits for yesterdays lynch of an inno without being too picky about who gets lynched, either.

Sure, dibs is a threat whenever he plays, and sure, Shin fucked up on an accusation against you. But the two combined... I'm starting to feel there is more to it than simply wanting to call attention to two people.

To answer your points:

1. Thats absurd and you are reaching. If I am going to do a list of people and I am a killer Im not going to leave out the person I kill. Clearly that person would be on my mind. iirc Roldom had posted next to nothing in the thread up to that point. Someone (Trull i believe) went back to look at Roldom's posts and came up with exactly 1 post of relevence.

2. i speculated on the venge kill. You said yourself that it wasn't a problem... Not sure why that is one of your points if you immediately dismiss it.

3. What do you mean I don't try to distil much from it? I analyzed it, I came to a conclusion, I voted accordingly. Who are you to judge how much I distill from it. Your vote on me is made up of much less substance.

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

I agree to a certain extent with dibs on the fearmongering you've done.
There is just too much stuff in your posts that makes you look like you want to smell of roses, and by the two targets you went for, it seems you might well try to steer everyone into happy town by lynching one of the culprits for yesterdays lynch of an inno without being too picky about who gets lynched, either.

First you say i'm fearmongering, then you say i am sucking up. Make up your mind. You cant have it both ways. And I still have yet to see evidence where I want to smell like roses. Yet everybody keeps mentioning it. And how am I trying to steer everyone? please enlighten me. I could have voted Trull and made a legit 3 person train, I could have shut up and saw what developed. But no, I saw something fishy and voted for it. Your reasons are a bit flawed Tapper. You are starting to develop a pattern here. This is 2 days in a row you are straight up going after an inno for questionable reasons. We just need to figure out either who you are symping, or why you are playing such a poor game so far.

[The Dude]

I'm off to eat. should be back around in a couple hours.

[Mentalist]

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

Vote The Dude.


Based on gut, certainly not enough to make a case, but there is way too much I don't like about the way you play right now. Here's the list of what I dislike and sets my scumdar off.

First there was the rather convenient leaving out of Roldom on your thoughts post. Guess who is killed? Roldom. OK, you might be framed, but hey, so what.

Second, you try to lend some weight to Venges kill. No problems in itself there, but hey.

Third, you go after people early on the Tatts train of yesterday. Now, thanks to the massive amount of discussion on whether or not it deserved to be a lynch, that was the only truly meaningful train. But you don't try and distill much from it, do you? Just looking at who was the earliest non-joke vote and tying it to your own gut (see point 1).

If we look where your vote was... well, it was on the Silencer may be a symp train. Which, as we all agree, even if he was a symp, would have given us a CF of inno and nothing more to work with.

I agree to a certain extent with dibs on the fearmongering you've done.
There is just too much stuff in your posts that makes you look like you want to smell of roses, and by the two targets you went for, it seems you might well try to steer everyone into happy town by lynching one of the culprits for yesterdays lynch of an inno without being too picky about who gets lynched, either.

Sure, dibs is a threat whenever he plays, and sure, Shin fucked up on an accusation against you. But the two combined... I'm starting to feel there is more to it than simply wanting to call attention to two people.

thats a quick agressive leap there, taps. is he getting close to your masters?

I htink the Dude may have hit a nerve here.
vote Shinrei

to see wherethis goes.

[Lizradusa]

I'm going to catching up.

[Ace Hunter]

Right, I'm going out again, won't be back till the evening which is about 7 hours. Bye Bye

[Hugin & Munin]

Your friendly, trendy mod-god is checking in. How's things going folks?

-D'rek

[HiddenOne]

Can we see the countdown, thanks

[Tapper]

Hugin & Munin, on 23 February 2011 - 09:54 PM, said:

Your friendly, trendy mod-god is checking in. How's things going folks?

-D'rek

just peachy, thanks, you?

[Grief]

Things are going well. Made better by the fact I'm not going to be at school tommorow cause I'm going to Steve's signing

On the other hand, fuck pins and needles.

[Tapper]

Mentalist, on 23 February 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

Vote The Dude.


Based on gut, certainly not enough to make a case, but there is way too much I don't like about the way you play right now. Here's the list of what I dislike and sets my scumdar off.

First there was the rather convenient leaving out of Roldom on your thoughts post. Guess who is killed? Roldom. OK, you might be framed, but hey, so what.

Second, you try to lend some weight to Venges kill. No problems in itself there, but hey.

Third, you go after people early on the Tatts train of yesterday. Now, thanks to the massive amount of discussion on whether or not it deserved to be a lynch, that was the only truly meaningful train. But you don't try and distill much from it, do you? Just looking at who was the earliest non-joke vote and tying it to your own gut (see point 1).

If we look where your vote was... well, it was on the Silencer may be a symp train. Which, as we all agree, even if he was a symp, would have given us a CF of inno and nothing more to work with.

I agree to a certain extent with dibs on the fearmongering you've done.
There is just too much stuff in your posts that makes you look like you want to smell of roses, and by the two targets you went for, it seems you might well try to steer everyone into happy town by lynching one of the culprits for yesterdays lynch of an inno without being too picky about who gets lynched, either.

Sure, dibs is a threat whenever he plays, and sure, Shin fucked up on an accusation against you. But the two combined... I'm starting to feel there is more to it than simply wanting to call attention to two people.

thats a quick agressive leap there, taps. is he getting close to your masters?

I htink the Dude may have hit a nerve here.
vote Shinrei

to see wherethis goes.

Man makes and pushes a case and suddenly he's a symp? Wow, what do you want, Ment, a wankfest? Read back on The Dude and tell me there's nothing there... as I said, it wasn't much of a case, just gut, but I severely dislike how he's attacking yesterday's lynch train with hardly an argument.

Also, the masters comment you made there can cut two ways. Why the fuck are you defending him after there is just 1 vote on him?

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 2. 5 hours and 47 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Ace Hunter, ansible, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, PB, Shinrei, Silencer, Tapper, The Dude, Trull's son, Vengeance

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ace Hunter ( Grief )
2 Votes for Trull's son ( Shinrei, dibs )
1 Vote for The Dude ( Tapper )
2 Votes for Shinrei ( The Dude, Mentalist )

Players not voted: Ace Hunter, ansible, HiddenOne, Lizra, MTS, PB, Silencer, Trull's son, Vengeance

[Lizradusa]

Ok, I more or less caught up.

@Hidden One: No comment at all on my case on you? I know it's probably the weakest one out there, but still.


For some comment on the other cases I need to have a closer look at them.

[Hugin & Munin]

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 10:03 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 23 February 2011 - 09:54 PM, said:

Your friendly, trendy mod-god is checking in. How's things going folks?

-D'rek

just peachy, thanks, you?

More like pears over here, but they are just as tasty.

Grief, on 23 February 2011 - 10:04 PM, said:

Things are going well. Made better by the fact I'm not going to be at school tommorow cause I'm going to Steve's signing

On the other hand, fuck pins and needles.

That sounds like a good day indeed. Pins and needles are best if you don't try to have sexual relations with them, Grief, that sounds painful!

[Tapper]

That's this one, right?
Coupled with him not voting at all?

Lizra, on 23 February 2011 - 12:21 AM, said:

Ok, these are the only things, that stood out:

HiddenOne, on 21 February 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 21 February 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 21 February 2011 - 08:56 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 21 February 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 21 February 2011 - 08:26 PM, said:

I guess there's no reason to argue with that figure


Edit: Some lag there

What there is always a reason to argue. Unless your scum and have just decided to not argue anymore and announce to the world that your scum and it's wonderful. Are you scum?

Vengeance detective one oh one. Just ask stupid.

I disagree. Sometimes it just won't work. Although I've always loved to argue.
I think it's more like you're scum looking for some pals. So there.

?
are you implying he's looking for symps? without us knowing if there are symps?

sounds to me like you are hiding something...

Only to the same degree he's implying I'm scum, seems reasonable...

And I'm hiding what you and everybody else are hiding...nothing

It had been pointed out before, but that was early with a lot of joke-votes flying around
With him being the only one who has not voted, it looks more suspicious, imo.

HiddenOne, on 22 February 2011 - 02:48 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 22 February 2011 - 02:45 PM, said:

obviously the odds of catching day one scum are minimal anyway, I don't think there is much to go on with me but wants Tapper gets his claws in and leads the way its hard to get out. I would say it was Tapper that pointed out that I was "suspicious" even though I don't think I was. His play is usually meticulous. If I am lynched then maybe you can start looking there, because without his "case" we would probably be looking at a better scum candidate.

Are you saying Tapper is scum?

It seems kind of obvios, that Tattersail is implying just that. Why ask specifically?

HiddenOne, on 22 February 2011 - 03:14 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 22 February 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

Roldom, on 22 February 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

he is saying that tapper is masterminding his lynch and that we should take a long hard look at her afterwards

Tappers a bloke with a woman avatar mate

You've got to admit, that's an attractive avatar

And that could be signaling. It's just a few posts downfrom the above quote.

Not too sure there, Lizra. He most certainly is staying away from commitment, but that may be testing the waters, or, as being relatively new, not at ease with the nostalgic banter to step in. Joke votes are easier after all if you have a history
I'll put the non-voting down to that.

The signalling: I'm RI, so why someone would know me, no clue. Then again, we're all RI, even if we're not, so I can fully understand no-one paying attention to that statement. However, if that was signalling, it was reliant on a third player (Roldom) setting up the avatar discussion, or on pure chance.

[Tapper]

Wow Ment, that reply is taking ages.

[Mentalist]

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 10:06 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 23 February 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

Vote The Dude.


Based on gut, certainly not enough to make a case, but there is way too much I don't like about the way you play right now. Here's the list of what I dislike and sets my scumdar off.

First there was the rather convenient leaving out of Roldom on your thoughts post. Guess who is killed? Roldom. OK, you might be framed, but hey, so what.

Second, you try to lend some weight to Venges kill. No problems in itself there, but hey.

Third, you go after people early on the Tatts train of yesterday. Now, thanks to the massive amount of discussion on whether or not it deserved to be a lynch, that was the only truly meaningful train. But you don't try and distill much from it, do you? Just looking at who was the earliest non-joke vote and tying it to your own gut (see point 1).

If we look where your vote was... well, it was on the Silencer may be a symp train. Which, as we all agree, even if he was a symp, would have given us a CF of inno and nothing more to work with.

I agree to a certain extent with dibs on the fearmongering you've done.
There is just too much stuff in your posts that makes you look like you want to smell of roses, and by the two targets you went for, it seems you might well try to steer everyone into happy town by lynching one of the culprits for yesterdays lynch of an inno without being too picky about who gets lynched, either.

Sure, dibs is a threat whenever he plays, and sure, Shin fucked up on an accusation against you. But the two combined... I'm starting to feel there is more to it than simply wanting to call attention to two people.

thats a quick agressive leap there, taps. is he getting close to your masters?

I htink the Dude may have hit a nerve here.
vote Shinrei

to see wherethis goes.

Man makes and pushes a case and suddenly he's a symp? Wow, what do you want, Ment, a wankfest? Read back on The Dude and tell me there's nothing there... as I said, it wasn't much of a case, just gut, but I severely dislike how he's attacking yesterday's lynch train with hardly an argument.

Also, the masters comment you made there can cut two ways. Why the fuck are you defending him after there is just 1 vote on him?

I ain't defending. but I see a lot of hubbub about a case he made. that case involved 2 people (shin and DiBs). One of whom responded, the other other one hasn't due to time zone difference. The case involves Tattersail's train. I know you were the 4th person on that train, and you actively pushed it, to the point of flat out stating that if Tat comes back inno, oyu'll proabbly catch some flak for it (which you didn't). So, I don't see that his case warrants such high emotional investment from you, since it ain't directed at you. makes me think you've got a diff. motive.

and, for the record: it's Day 2. Gut's not good enough anymore.
If the Dude is proven to be wrong, via CF, i'd be happy to test him. but right now, his case provoked a serious reaction from a third party, and that is interesting. my vote is second, out of 8 we'd need. I don't see the need for such exhaustive reaction just yet.

[Mentalist]

also, unless I decide to go for a swim, i'll be around till timeout. so I can vote and put pressure wherever the hell I please, b/c I'm always here to remove it, if I see somehting better.