[Silencer]

Lizra, on 23 February 2011 - 11:11 PM, said:

Ok, Tapper's main point seems to be gut-feeling and in the post he votes, he dismisses most of his own points right away. That seems like symping and the one most likely symped is Shin. Also Tapper yesterday got on the Tattersailtrain after Shin.

If so, it would mean Tapper is playing incredibly sloppy, to so blatantly symp someone. Fake-sympage would be more likely in this case, imo...

[Lizradusa]

Silencer, on 23 February 2011 - 11:14 PM, said:

Lizra, on 23 February 2011 - 11:11 PM, said:

Ok, Tapper's main point seems to be gut-feeling and in the post he votes, he dismisses most of his own points right away. That seems like symping and the one most likely symped is Shin. Also Tapper yesterday got on the Tattersailtrain after Shin.

If so, it would mean Tapper is playing incredibly sloppy, to so blatantly symp someone. Fake-sympage would be more likely in this case, imo...

That leads to the questio from whom he is diverting.

[Silencer]

True, assuming that is what he is doing. On the one hand, if he is, it gives us valuable information, on the other, it could just be Tapper talking himself in circles, in which case it distracts about as effectively as fake-sympage but without the upside.

If you can find someone from whom Tapper is diverting attention through this tactic, bingo. But if you can't, it's probably nothing. Personally I got the feeling that Tapper was playing that post oddly, too, though.

[Mentalist]

only thing that really comes to mind is.... DiBs, actually.

since after the Dude made a tenuous connection to him in the Shin case, Tapper wnt to town on him. but even I think that's too weak to warrant a vote.


problem is, Tapper played that exactly how I would expect someone like Venge to play it if he was Shin's symp. it's so obvious, that majority of the time it's dismissed and ignored.

I think i'll stick with it for now.

[Silencer]

Mentalist, on 23 February 2011 - 11:32 PM, said:

only thing that really comes to mind is.... DiBs, actually.

since after the Dude made a tenuous connection to him in the Shin case, Tapper wnt to town on him. but even I think that's too weak to warrant a vote.


problem is, Tapper played that exactly how I would expect someone like Venge to play it if he was Shin's symp. it's so obvious, that majority of the time it's dismissed and ignored.

I think i'll stick with it for now.

Granted, but that gets a bit WIFOM quite quickly. I dunno, the post was definitely weird, but it isn't conclusive enough one way or another for me to get voting about it. I'll take a look through Tapper's posts later and see if there's something else.

[Lizradusa]

I'm off to eat, but I should be back within the next hour.

[Hugin & Munin]

As spring arrived in the north, heavy rain and thunderous storms blew across the land in all directions. Ma Teng, sleeping soundly in the center of the loudest storms, dreamt that he was a tiger drowning in a river made of phoenixes. His cries brought his daughter, Ma Yunlu, who awoke her father. Teng related his dream, and Yunlu said: "The tiger can run free in any rain, but cannot swim across the river. Father, could this be an omen of looming danger at the river?" Suddenly wary, Ma Teng summoned his general Pang De and bid him investigate the river nearby.

At a camp along the river, the Lu general Li Tong was inspecting the finished dam. A messenger from a secret Lu official had given him the location of Ma Teng's main camp, hidden in a deep valley north-east of Jin Cheng. Satisfied from the inspection, Li Tong ordered his forces into their positions to prepare for diverting the river into the valley of Ma Teng's camp. As the soldiers were quietly getting into position, reports arrived of guards found dead at the southern gate of the camp. Suddenly the main supply tent burst into flame and black-clothed figures emerged from the shadows on all sides to cut down Li Tong's staff and guards. Drawing his sword into his left hand and his battle axe into his right, Tong fell upon the assassins, gutting and mauling the enemy wildly.

Li Tong called to his soldiers to retreat northward across the dam, while Guanxi troops entered the camp from all sides. "Finish them all!" called Liu Ba, a subordinate general, who then called his guard into a defensive line. While Ba held off the enemy, Li Tong brandished his axe and smashed aside the locking pins. With a rush, the dam's gate fell and the river rushed southwards, drowning Liu Ba, Lu and Guanxi soldiers alike.

Silencer is dead. He was Liu Ba, General Who Dominates the North of the Lu Dynasty.

[Hugin & Munin]

In Tian Shui, the Governor Wang Can sat on the rooftop of his estate, gazing upon the heavens. Over Bao Han he observed a golden star shining brightly and pure and thus his worries were set at ease.

This post has been edited by Hugin & Munin: 24 February 2011 - 01:05 AM

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 2. 2 hours and 51 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Ace Hunter, ansible, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, PB, Shinrei, Tapper, The Dude, Trull's son

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ace Hunter ( Grief )
2 Votes for Trull's son ( Shinrei, dibs )
1 Vote for The Dude ( Tapper )
2 Votes for Shinrei ( The Dude, Mentalist )

Players not voted: Ace Hunter, ansible, HiddenOne, Lizra, MTS, PB, Trull's son

[Lizradusa]

Oh, not good. And close to the end of the day, too.

[Lizradusa]

With less than three hours left in the day and the actual vote situation, we will get trouble to get a lynch.

The one, that seems to me most likely to go through at all is the one on Shin. At least he has already two votes on him and I think him more likely to be scum than TS.

vote Shinrei

[Grief]

Well, my vote on Ace hasn't had much of a response at all. I'm going to switch before I go. Ace was a vote I'm happy with. Ace confirmed he hadn't been trying to pressure ment, and that it was just a gut thing, and so I still think he was just giving the appearance of content. However, it's not helpful for me to leave a vote on him, when all the discussion is focussing around other people and lynching him seems unlikely.

The attention seems focussed on a small group.

Trull's son: I've already given my opinion on the case. The dude pointed out that shin and dibs were both early on the same train yesterday, so perhaps the most notable thing here is who is voting Trull. Not necessarily damning(and iirc they voted for different reasons), but it did ping my radar.

Shinrei: Was incorrect about the dude's voting(confused vote with last post). However, this isn't particularly scummy in itself. Making things up is a terrible scum tactic as it's very simple for the person to come on and point it out. Seems like a genuine mistake.

The Dude: His reaction to shin is interesting. It seems very OMGUS to me, and I don't like that. He defends by saying he had a work meeting-this is reasonable and I assume people don't lie about RL. However, he then takes it further by attacking shin, without considering that blatant lying on thread would be a pretty rubbish move for scum. His defense also seems a little scrambled, accusing dibs of twisting his words and bringing in the lynch train stuff, then later saying he's got nothing on dibs.

Tapper: Reacts strongly against The Dude. Like the dude, he pulls things in from a lot of places, and often doens't fully justify why he thinks they are scummy. His case stretches in places-it starts by saying a lot of it's gut and then points out the dudes use of gut as a negative thing, for example. Accuses ment of defending the dude after ment pulls him up on his reaction. Seems like the strength of the reaction is a bit unwarranted.

Dibs: Voting pattern is interesting as with shin. Had mentioned the dude yesterday, which the dude responded to today. Doesn't seem as involved with the whole situation, perhaps because he was brought into it by the dude with the voting analysis, and the dude later claimed to have "nothing on dibs", and because he is mainly connected via shin, who the dude went for more strongly. Others have noted he's playing cleanly. This gets into meta, which I generally dislike, however it's not entirely an invalid observation, and with dibs there may not be more to go on.

Of these, I find the dude and tapper the most scummy. I really dislike how OMGUS the dude seems. I'm not sure he's gone for anyone today who hasn't mentioned him first. He certainly seems to have predominantly focused on those people. Tapper has played over-agressively, imo. Ment points out that he seems to be symping shin. However, I don't think shin is that scummy, and voting for someone you think is more likely a symp is stupid.

Remove vote
Vote the Dude

I don't think shin is that scummy. Tapper has been more agressive than usual this game, and this seems odd, but if he was shins symp, the reaction doesn't really make sense-it draws more attention and that is not something a symp should do for a master. I also think that the Dudes OMGUS is more scummy than tappers over-reaction, and think the dude is more likely to be a killer than tapper.

[Mentalist]

huh? my post didn't go through.

damn

well, to repeat myself: which of the two kills was a vig, then?

[Mentalist]

cross-post.

wel, that puts us at 3: 2: 2, I think. with about 2 hours to go.

a no lynch is in the cards, imo, and the timong would be pretty horrible for it.

[Lizradusa]

Vig is a town role right? It seems more likely the first one, cause the last one makes it difficult to lynch and that is not good for town.

[Grief]

Lizra, on 24 February 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

Vig is a town role right? It seems more likely the first one, cause the last one makes it difficult to lynch and that is not good for town.

On the other hand, silencer seems more like a choice a vig would make than a killer considering the amount of people mentioning him as a potential symp and saying that he was being distracting.

Though speculation about kills is pretty pointless anyhow.

[Lizradusa]

Grief, on 24 February 2011 - 02:06 AM, said:

Lizra, on 24 February 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

Vig is a town role right? It seems more likely the first one, cause the last one makes it difficult to lynch and that is not good for town.

On the other hand, silencer seems more like a choice a vig would make than a killer considering the amount of people mentioning him as a potential symp and saying that he was being distracting.

Though speculation about kills is pretty pointless anyhow.

But why wait until the day is only three hours?

[MTS]

Alright, I'm back. Just in time it seems. Let me get caught up.

[Grief]

Dunno, possibly wanted to see what he did today or something. Vig of venge seems equally unlikely just for different reasons...

[MTS]

Lizra, on 24 February 2011 - 02:09 AM, said:

Grief, on 24 February 2011 - 02:06 AM, said:

Lizra, on 24 February 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

Vig is a town role right? It seems more likely the first one, cause the last one makes it difficult to lynch and that is not good for town.

On the other hand, silencer seems more like a choice a vig would make than a killer considering the amount of people mentioning him as a potential symp and saying that he was being distracting.

Though speculation about kills is pretty pointless anyhow.

But why wait until the day is only three hours?

I can't see the scum going for Silencer, as he was probably the most distracting person. You don't remove distractions, you keep them around, as it means attention is less likely to fall on you. The timing is odd though I agree. In a game with so many players, you'd think no-one would throw away a vig so early as well, all just to get a possible symp who'll CF inno anyway (and he did). Maybe we're seeing two killers? Hope that's not the case.

Who was Silencer voting btw?