[Tattersail_]

obviously the odds of catching day one scum are minimal anyway, I don't think there is much to go on with me but wants Tapper gets his claws in and leads the way its hard to get out. I would say it was Tapper that pointed out that I was "suspicious" even though I don't think I was. His play is usually meticulous. If I am lynched then maybe you can start looking there, because without his "case" we would probably be looking at a better scum candidate.

[HiddenOne]

Tattersail, on 22 February 2011 - 02:45 PM, said:

obviously the odds of catching day one scum are minimal anyway, I don't think there is much to go on with me but wants Tapper gets his claws in and leads the way its hard to get out. I would say it was Tapper that pointed out that I was "suspicious" even though I don't think I was. His play is usually meticulous. If I am lynched then maybe you can start looking there, because without his "case" we would probably be looking at a better scum candidate.

Are you saying Tapper is scum?

[Roldom]

he is saying that tapper is masterminding his lynch and that we should take a long hard look at her afterwards

[Shinrei]

Roldom, on 22 February 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

he is saying that tapper is masterminding his lynch and that we should take a long hard look at her afterwards

It never gets old.

I must go to bed. I probably won't be awake in time for timeout, so I see no reason to change my vote as of now. If you're inno Tattersail, sorry if my joke vote puts you over the edge in the end but you could have played it cooler. If you're scum, HA HA HA HA HA!

Looking forward to the 20 pages when I wake up.

[Tattersail_]

Definately, why not.

I mean yes I wasn't happy with all the joke votes, but me voicing this unhappiness made me "suspicious". Now if you look at the same "joke" votes they become more serious which was my point in the first place.

I would rather me take a hit day one than a good roled town player but before I do I would at least voice my opinion on the whole train. I think Tapper is leading the lynch, and he is good enough to appear like town when either a) he is a symp diverting away from Silencer, Ment? I am unsure, but his willingness to lynch me seems scummy as he usually has a good read on players and a good read on how they play. This being the case, he took my being pissed off at all the joke votes to being suspicious. he has totally got it wrong and I have pointed the finger in his direction. c) he is right

Silencer, PB and Ment were the people I thought were scummy but i'm like Shin and never guess right on the first day or two.

[Tattersail_]

Roldom, on 22 February 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

he is saying that tapper is masterminding his lynch and that we should take a long hard look at her afterwards

Tappers a bloke with a woman avatar mate

[Roldom]

ive just noticed lol,

and on that shattered preconception im gonna get some sleep, night y'all

[drinksinbars]

Its a very simplistic view to take saying that as tapper made a case he must be scum. You reacted to a few votes in a suspicious manner and he put pressure on you. On day 1 thats more than we usually have to go on. Against a vote for you we would be guessing on silencer as a symp or lyncher a low poster etc. If it was another player in the frame you would also of registered that vote switch and statement as very susupicious for day 1.

Tattersail, on 22 February 2011 - 11:15 AM, said:

I don't mind being lynched if it will help town, I don't think I'm acting scummy though, I mentioned that I would like to get a lynch today if possible, but yeah if it is going to be me or Silencer then

Remove Vote

Vote Silencer

I think he is more suspicious than me, and plays a lot better ha, although Ment has a few votes on him too, in fact looking at it, it seems he has more than Silencer or myself, so why did you not mention him Tapper?

The underlined section i think is really the crux of this. For day 1, on two or three votes that is an over reaction.

[drinksinbars]

Roldom, on 22 February 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

ive just noticed lol,

and on that shattered preconception im gonna get some sleep, night y'all

if we looked like our avatars, i would have child protection round with a blanket and glass of hot milk to protect me from you evil s.o.b's

[HiddenOne]

Tattersail, on 22 February 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

Roldom, on 22 February 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

he is saying that tapper is masterminding his lynch and that we should take a long hard look at her afterwards

Tappers a bloke with a woman avatar mate

You've got to admit, that's an attractive avatar

[Tapper]

HiddenOne, on 22 February 2011 - 03:14 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 22 February 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

Roldom, on 22 February 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

he is saying that tapper is masterminding his lynch and that we should take a long hard look at her afterwards

Tappers a bloke with a woman avatar mate

You've got to admit, that's an attractive avatar

I thank you for the compliment of my good taste.
And I'm sure miss Vacariu appreciates your praise for her looks.

[Vengeance]

Bloody hell. I really don't want to read up on all of that. Is there anything important in there and can I just go back 5 pages and be all caught up.

[Grief]

Vengeance, on 22 February 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

Bloody hell. I really don't want to read up on all of that. Is there anything important in there and can I just go back 5 pages and be all caught up.

Most of the stuff being discussed atm happened within the last couple of pages(40 per page).

[MTS]

Vengeance, on 22 February 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

Bloody hell. I really don't want to read up on all of that. Is there anything important in there and can I just go back 5 pages and be all caught up.

Yes, every word is a necessary thread in the great tapestry we've created.

[Tapper]

Tattersail, on 22 February 2011 - 02:58 PM, said:

Definately, why not.

I mean yes I wasn't happy with all the joke votes, but me voicing this unhappiness made me "suspicious". Now if you look at the same "joke" votes they become more serious which was my point in the first place.

I would rather me take a hit day one than a good roled town player but before I do I would at least voice my opinion on the whole train. I think Tapper is leading the lynch, and he is good enough to appear like town when either a) he is a symp diverting away from Silencer, Ment? I am unsure, but his willingness to lynch me seems scummy as he usually has a good read on players and a good read on how they play. This being the case, he took my being pissed off at all the joke votes to being suspicious. he has totally got it wrong and I have pointed the finger in his direction. c) he is right

Silencer, PB and Ment were the people I thought were scummy but i'm like Shin and never guess right on the first day or two.

Dude, Silencer was my second candidate and I had my vote on him when I put pressure on you. Ment... could be I am protecting him. I'll be sure to get some questions asked if you turn up inno even if you are through your reactions to both the votes and my questions currently the best lynch.

There is another thing you fail to appreciate. We lynch you, and regardless of your alignment, we have a very good train for analysis: the fact that of the people leading the train, 2 were joke votes that remained on you while their players were around during the case and defense is one. Me is another, and dibs supporting the notion is a third one, and we may get a few more before people just hop on the bandwagon.

Besides, lynching PB would have been a complete shot in the dark, playing the odds, lynching Silencer might nail a symp, which means he CFs inno anyway and leaving us with no clue to his master. Ment... well, I still don't understand why we'd want to lynch him.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 22 February 2011 - 03:44 PM

[Vengeance]

MTS, on 22 February 2011 - 03:38 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 22 February 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

Bloody hell. I really don't want to read up on all of that. Is there anything important in there and can I just go back 5 pages and be all caught up.

Yes, every word is a necessary thread in the great tapestry we've created.

Shut up you. I know better.

[Vengeance]

Tapper, on 22 February 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

Besides, lynching PB would have been a complete shot in the dark, playing the odds, lynching Silencer might nail a symp, which means he CFs inno anyway and leaving us with no clue to his master. Ment... well, I still don't understand why we'd want to lynch him.

Mental should be lynched on his scummyness alone, same thing for silencer. If PB is town then the scum will kill him off. If he isn't then we might have to lynch him for not being killed off.

[Tattersail_]

Just another quick point Tapper, i'm sure if I was scum I would have killed someone already, actually should I say that? It could give them an excuse to kill someone, but if i'm about to be lynched I could easily put in a kill first couldn't I? As there is no night a kill could happen anytime surely?

To be honest your point is correct, it has built up discussion and as I do not have any abilities I wopuld prefer me to go over a roled town like I said earlier, I just don't see how I look like scum, I am not defending anyone other than myself, I first mentioned wanting to get the lynch in, I have cooperated in trying to find scum rather than spam the thread and yet you think I am still scummy, this is crazy. If I was on the outside looking in I wouldn't be looking at me, that's why I'm a bit baffled at te turn of events. Look where it started, vote one and two both on reading tCG, vote 3 and 4 on "tatts all for now", then the next votes come in because of a)i am now deemed lynchable my reaction to these first 4 votes. 4 votes is half way to being lynched so i'm obviously going to react.

I am shaking my head at this lynch but not at the discussion surrounding it.

[MTS]

Regarding Tattersail, ever since he started he's always been a fairly jumpy player, so I'm less inclined to think he's scum based on that than most, and really, that's the elementary basis for this case.

That said, his whole 'I'm happy to be lynched rather than a power role townie but before I do...' line rubbed me the wrong way, mainly because at this point his lynch is not certain, and indulging in such fatalism and playing the victimised inno has been known to work in the past.

[Tapper]

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i'm sure if I was scum I would have killed someone already, actually should I say that? It could give them an excuse to kill someone, but if i'm about to be lynched I could easily put in a kill first couldn't I? As there is no night a kill could happen anytime surely?

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Ironman rules - actions are committed as soon as they are received by the mods. To prevent meta-identification of roles, you can submit requests to use your actions at a specific later time, up to 24 hours in advance. Once submitted, this cannot be undone.

So your argument is not entirely valid as you can put in actions on a timer.

The rules being as they are, that makes many regular actions (guards, vigs and heals primarily, which rely on being submitted asap and then processed by the mod asap) really, really tricky. Basically, a day's start during your own downtime could prove fatal.

I know I used those roles in Ironman format in Spycraft 1 and 2, so I know for a fact it can be done, but I would not discount the possibility that they're not being used this game.