[D'rek]

Caught this on a re-read:

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'It is what comes from lordship, from rule. Most of his original court is gone. Korlat, Orfantal, Sorrit, Pra'iran. Vanished or dead. That doesn't make it any easier. Still, there are some who remain. Endest Silann, for one.'

Spinnock Durav to Seerdomin,
TtH, UK TPB, p.45

Sorrit?! I was momentarily mind-blown, but quickly realized that it is probably supposed to be Serrat, leader of Rake's assassins who died in GotM. Anyone else see this? Anyone have it fixed in their copies?

[DurhangAddict]

Not an error. Sorrit on Encyclopedia Malazica.

[HiddenOne]

@D'rek - What made you think this was an error?

[SpectreofEschaton]

HiddenOne, on 07 February 2011 - 06:50 PM, said:

@D'rek - What made you think this was an error?

Probably the unlikelihood of Rake having an aspected eleint as a member of his court, rather than a Tiste Andii with a similar, easy-to-conflate name.

[Vengeance]

SpectreofEschaton, on 07 February 2011 - 07:13 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 07 February 2011 - 06:50 PM, said:

@D'rek - What made you think this was an error?

Probably the unlikelihood of Rake having an aspected eleint as a member of his court, rather than a Tiste Andii with a similar, easy-to-conflate name.

Umm Silanah...

[HoosierDaddy]

Vengeance, on 07 February 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

SpectreofEschaton, on 07 February 2011 - 07:13 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 07 February 2011 - 06:50 PM, said:

@D'rek - What made you think this was an error?

Probably the unlikelihood of Rake having an aspected eleint as a member of his court, rather than a Tiste Andii with a similar, easy-to-conflate name.

Umm Silanah...

Debatable as to whether Silanah is a member of his court. She just sits there wanting to burn down humans and stuff. Not very politic of her.

[ansible]

D, on 07 February 2011 - 06:29 PM, said:

Caught this on a re-read:

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'It is what comes from lordship, from rule. Most of his original court is gone. Korlat, Orfantal, Sorrit, Pra'iran. Vanished or dead. That doesn't make it any easier. Still, there are some who remain. Endest Silann, for one.'

Spinnock Durav to Seerdomin,
TtH, UK TPB, p.45

Sorrit?! I was momentarily mind-blown, but quickly realized that it is probably supposed to be Serrat, leader of Rake's assassins who died in GotM. Anyone else see this? Anyone have it fixed in their copies?

Man, I totally found this last night and was going to make a similar post. My guess is also that SE meant Serrat, but if not then I have no idea what is going on.

[D'rek]

DurhangAddict, on 07 February 2011 - 06:36 PM, said:

Not an error. Sorrit on Encyclopedia Malazica.

I see nowhere on this page any indications that Sorrit has any connection to Rake and/or the Tiste Andii... what are you getting at?

[MTS]

I can't see anything either. Even the 'killed by Scabandari' thing is speculation.

As for the supposed error, I remember catching that on a re-read, but just assumed he meant Serrat. Easy error to make.

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

There was a post about this a couple months ago I think, most thought it was a typo if I remember.

Edit: found the thread, its in the DoD forum so there may be spoilers.
http://forum.malazan...=1

This post has been edited by WhiskeyJackDaniels: 08 February 2011 - 12:33 AM

[Hetan]

The word "speculation" should have been included in the wiki entry. I'll fix it.

Cotillion : 'Scabandari was originally Edur, and so he became their champion -'
After murdering the royal line of the Edur! Eloth said in a hiss. After spilling draconean blood in the heart of Kurald Emurlahn! After opening the first fatal wound upon that warren? What did he think gates were? (BH UK Tpb, p.53)

[ansible]

Hetan, on 08 February 2011 - 07:05 AM, said:

The word "speculation" should have been included in the wiki entry. I'll fix it.

Cotillion : 'Scabandari was originally Edur, and so he became their champion -'
After murdering the royal line of the Edur! Eloth said in a hiss. After spilling draconean blood in the heart of Kurald Emurlahn! After opening the first fatal wound upon that warren? What did he think gates were? (BH UK Tpb, p.53)

Do we know if Scabandari drank the blood of Tiam? Or is it specified how he became Soletaken? If he did in fact kill Sorrit then perhaps that's how he gained his draconean powers. Otherwise...why kill such a dragon?

[Hetan]

Well I guess all eleint carry the blood of Tiam as they are all descendants of hers... you only have to read those first ten pages of TCG to see how that works out.

It's a bit different from Rake whom we are told killed Tiam and that he and Silchas (and others of the Andii) drank of her blood - hence Mother Dark's outrage.

However, back on topic - is it a typo or did he mean to say Sorrit? Who can say as either would work ..being as he (Rake) has Silannah for an eleint companion.
It would not be out of place for Steve to throw in a curve ball with the mention of Sorrit.

[DurhangAddict]

Fair enough, I shouldn't have been so matter-of-fact about it given that it is still speculative. Still, given the company Rake kept I don't see why its so hard to believe Sorrit was among them, even if all we know about it is one passing reference.

[ansible]

What I meant was that it seems possible that Scabandari drank Sorrit's blood to become Soletaken, unless it's specifically said that he drank from Tiam a la Rake, Silchas, and co. That seems interesting to me because as of TtH we haven't seen or heard of any draconean Soletaken who drank the blood of a dragon other than Tiam... Correct me if I'm wrong.

Just trying to think about the timeline... Rake killed Tiam to unite the Andii and prepare for the coming of Light. This was the time when Tiam was killed "permanently", as far as we know, correct? So the death of Tiam predates the existence of Emurlahn? That would mean Scabandari couldn't possibly have drank from Tiam and therefore had to find a different dragon from which to drink down his dark destiny.

[MTS]

Unless she left Rake before the sundering of Shadow (in which case it would've had to have been between Rake arriving and Scabandari's little faux pas), you'd think that if Sorrit was a part of his court like Silannah, he would've at least been aware of her disappearance/death and presumably done something about it.

That begs the question though: what the hell were the other Tiste Andii and Silannah doing while Rake was traipsing around with Osserc, T'riss, Brood, Envy et al., and spending two hundred years as a human bodyguard?

[HiddenOne]

MTS, on 08 February 2011 - 11:17 PM, said:

That begs the question though: what the hell were the other Tiste Andii and Silannah doing while Rake was traipsing around with Osserc, T'riss, Brood, Envy et al., and spending two hundred years as a human bodyguard?

Saltoan wine, Gredfallan ale, & White Quorl Milk - in that order. Sometimes millennia of life can make such a hangover.

[tiam]

We know nothing of how much time was spent wandering. 200 years at a bodyguard and say half a millenia wandering and thats only 700 years. The Andii (if they were in Moon Spawn) might not have really noticed he was gone

[MTS]

Well, he was wandering with Brood when they found Moon's Spawn, so they were definitely hanging around somewhere while he was gone.

[Hetan]

ansible, on 08 February 2011 - 08:21 PM, said:

What I meant was that it seems possible that Scabandari drank Sorrit's blood to become Soletaken, unless it's specifically said that he drank from Tiam a la Rake, Silchas, and co. That seems interesting to me because as of TtH we haven't seen or heard of any draconean Soletaken who drank the blood of a dragon other than Tiam... Correct me if I'm wrong.

Just trying to think about the timeline... Rake killed Tiam to unite the Andii and prepare for the coming of Light. This was the time when Tiam was killed "permanently", as far as we know, correct? So the death of Tiam predates the existence of Emurlahn? That would mean Scabandari couldn't possibly have drank from Tiam and therefore had to find a different dragon from which to drink down his dark destiny.

Rake killed Tiam after the coming of light, it was this final act that caused the break with Mother Dark.
It's never been written whose blood Scabandari drank to become Soletaken but all eleint are "the blood Tiam" because they are all her offspring.
That passage in BH with Mappo and Icarium indicates that Sorrit was killed in the realm of the Edur - for her blood. It also jives with Eloth's comment about spilling draconean blood in the heart of the warren which caused it to shatter - which makes perfect sense. Now was that blood used to open a gate or was it drunk to enable Scabandari to become Soletaken or both?
I guess we may find out in the Andii trilogy which I'm really looking forward to.
As for Sorrit/Serrat.. if it was Sorrit, then I think that would be another reason for Rake to go all apeshit on the Edur and far more fun to speculate on than if it were a typo, but that's just my view

Where did the Andii go while Rake was jauntering around with Brood etc.. Good question. Do we know how long ago it was when Rake found Moon's Spawn?