[Abyss]

HiddenOne, on 21 January 2011 - 06:26 PM, said:

L, on 20 January 2011 - 08:39 AM, said:

Pearl is I'm pretty sure the son of Phaed who is only a few generations removed from Mother Dark,

Where did you get this idea? I'm interested in some quote-fu

Somewhere in DG or HoC Pearl comments that his mother was a half-Andii from Drift Avalii. Not quite sure how that's connected to Phaed who as far as we know never left the island before HoC, but it's an interesting theory.

....with the added neat little bonus i just realized that whether or not his mother was Phaed, that does mean Pearl was related to Anomander Rake.

[The Seguleh 46th]

Abyss, on 21 January 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 21 January 2011 - 06:26 PM, said:

L, on 20 January 2011 - 08:39 AM, said:

Pearl is I'm pretty sure the son of Phaed who is only a few generations removed from Mother Dark,

Where did you get this idea? I'm interested in some quote-fu

Somewhere in DG or HoC Pearl comments that his mother was a half-Andii from Drift Avalii. Not quite sure how that's connected to Phaed who as far as we know never left the island before HoC, but it's an interesting theory.

....with the added neat little bonus i just realized that whether or not his mother was Phaed, that does mean Pearl was related to Anomander Rake.

Sure it was Pearl who says that? Thought Topper was the quarter-blood TA? I guess they both could be, not that out-of-the-ballpark after all, being a massive world and all. Huh!

[HiddenOne]

Abyss, on 21 January 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 21 January 2011 - 06:26 PM, said:

L, on 20 January 2011 - 08:39 AM, said:

Pearl is I'm pretty sure the son of Phaed who is only a few generations removed from Mother Dark,

Where did you get this idea? I'm interested in some quote-fu

Somewhere in DG or HoC Pearl comments that his mother was a half-Andii from Drift Avalii. Not quite sure how that's connected to Phaed who as far as we know never left the island before HoC, but it's an interesting theory.

....with the added neat little bonus i just realized that whether or not his mother was Phaed, that does mean Pearl was related to Anomander Rake.

I couldn't remember that info. Also, I think Phaed was full-blood. You are right about the Rake relation, but half of Wu is probably distantly related to Rake, as old as he must be.

Is there another part-Tiste assassin running around? It eludes me.

Thanks

[Aptorian]

I seem to recall Topper having some Tiste blood.

[HiddenOne]

Jenisapt Rul, on 21 January 2011 - 07:57 PM, said:

I seem to recall Topper having some Tiste blood.

That's who I was trying to think of, thanks

[The Seguleh 46th]

Jenisapt Rul, on 21 January 2011 - 07:57 PM, said:

I seem to recall Topper having some Tiste blood.

He is. Has access to Elder Dark (Kurald Galain is it?) as well, if i have the right of it. Might be wrong with the last stement, but i am positive that he is of TA lineage. Quarter-blood i wanna say, maybe half........thinking quarter though. Not sure if it is of massive significance, but still...

[Sinisdar Toste]

Abyss, on 21 January 2011 - 05:49 PM, said:

Sinisdar Toste, on 21 January 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

yeah, i'm blanking on this... wasn't it rell who stood down ryl by himself?

Rell did, more than once iirc, but earlier in the book Moss shows up all torn to fuck from covering a Loyalist retreat from Ryllandaras.

amazon.com's look inside feature isn't helping but it's around p452ish, about where Rylandaras eats the wounded.

ah yes, i kinda had an inkling that moss did at one point get torn up, just couldnt remember where or when.

[Abyss]

The Seguleh 46th, on 21 January 2011 - 08:04 PM, said:

Jenisapt Rul, on 21 January 2011 - 07:57 PM, said:

I seem to recall Topper having some Tiste blood.

He is. Has access to Elder Dark (Kurald Galain is it?) as well, if i have the right of it. Might be wrong with the last stement, but i am positive that he is of TA lineage. Quarter-blood i wanna say, maybe half........thinking quarter though. Not sure if it is of massive significance, but still...

i'm blanking... one of them (Topper or Pearl) is half Andii and one of them is quarter or less, but i'm blanking on which is which.

Someone quote fu this?

[The Seguleh 46th]

Abyss, on 21 January 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

The Seguleh 46th, on 21 January 2011 - 08:04 PM, said:

Jenisapt Rul, on 21 January 2011 - 07:57 PM, said:

I seem to recall Topper having some Tiste blood.

He is. Has access to Elder Dark (Kurald Galain is it?) as well, if i have the right of it. Might be wrong with the last stement, but i am positive that he is of TA lineage. Quarter-blood i wanna say, maybe half........thinking quarter though. Not sure if it is of massive significance, but still...

i'm blanking... one of them (Topper or Pearl) is half Andii and one of them is quarter or less, but i'm blanking on which is which.

Someone quote fu this?

My book is in my bag for work, but i'm pretty sure he unleashes it on that Claw (or was it Talon) lady in the Imperial Warren in RotCG. Something about her wrapping herself in Shadow, and Topper/Ragman unleashing pure darkness upon her. Her gasping in shock and saying "Kurald Galain or something like that. Of course, i could be wrong. Pure guesswork on my part with the quarter or half blood Andii part regarding Topper, but i think its mentioned somewhere very, very early in GotM when Topper and Paran meet for the first time.

As far as Pearl goes, i don't know if it ever was mentioned how much TA blood was in him. I do remember him stating somewhere in DG though about his mama being a half-blood TA form Drift Avalii though, like someone said in an above post. So maybe Pearl is the quarter dude, and Topper half. Or not....sigh.....i'm embarassing myself here, aren't i?

This post has been edited by The Seguleh 46th: 21 January 2011 - 09:34 PM

[L'oric]

I lent out all my Malazan books so I can't quote the section about pearl, but he says something about her being dangerously beautiful or something that just smacks of Phaed to me.

[MTS]

Topper:

Quote

'I am named Topper.'
'I know that name,' Paran said.
'Well, you should,' Topper replied. 'I am he, alas. The blood of a Tiste Andii races in my veins, seeking escape, no doubt, from its more common human stream.

Quote

The tall half-blood Tiste Andü seemed to be wearing the same clothes as the last time Paran had seen him: green wool, green leather.

Pearl:

Quote

You are of Pardu blood, so she will take no heed of you. I, on the other hand, am one-fourth Tiste Andii—' She started, breath catching. 'You are?' He looked back, surprised. 'You didn't know? My mother was from Drift Avalii, a half-blood white-haired beauty - or so I'm told, as I have no direct recollection, since she left me with my father as soon as I'd been weaned.'

Phaed:

Quote

Cutter realized that all of Darist's kin were white-haired, though none were as old - indeed, they appeared very young, in appearance no older than the Daru himself.

[Abyss]

MTS's quote fu rep'd accordingly.

So there we have it: Topper is half-Andii, Pearl is a quarter Andii but likely with some diluted Elder God blood for good measure., and related to Rake.

Nice bit of subtle from SE there.

[D'rek]

Unless of course Pearl's mother is one of the Andii who left Drift Avalii before Cutter and Apsalar ever visited (on the Silanda or otherwise), and wasn't related to Rake...

[HiddenOne]

D, on 25 January 2011 - 08:31 PM, said:

Unless of course Pearl's mother is one of the Andii who left Drift Avalii before Cutter and Apsalar ever visited (on the Silanda or otherwise), and wasn't related to Rake...

I thought all of the Andii on Drift Avalii were related to Rake

[Illuyankas]

I like how Toc is the epitome of a Claw - stunningly effective in specific areas and also dying all the damn time.

[Abyss]

Illuyankas, on 25 January 2011 - 09:04 PM, said:

I like how Toc is the epitome of a Claw - stunningly effective in specific areas and also dying all the damn time.

But he keeps coming back. He's like the Kenny of Malazaland...

PARAN: Oh my god, they killed Toc the Younger!!!
TOOL: THOSE BASTARDS!!!

[worry]

It may be Phaed, who at least in The Bonehunters IIRC is described as Nimander's daughter with one of Rake's ex-lovers in some weird bit of revenge, right? Which would make her half Andii, and her offspring potentially quarter. But I'm not sure if that was later abandoned, as in RG and TTH the Drift Avalii Andii's relationships all get tangled.

[Blueiron]

Re Malaz city in tBH, they were, in fact up against TWO god-posessees Apsalar AND T'amber. Plus Kalam had a few other advantages: longknives are slightly longer than shortswords, whereas the claw were using mostly daggers. Kalam had armor on, the claw did not. When a hand of claw finally shows up with the same advantages, they nearly kill him. And they would have, but honestly, who expects their opponent to simultaneously, acurately throw two weapons the size of shortswords at seperate targets? Especially when there are three of you and he only has two knives?

[D'rek]

HiddenOne, on 25 January 2011 - 08:52 PM, said:

D, on 25 January 2011 - 08:31 PM, said:

Unless of course Pearl's mother is one of the Andii who left Drift Avalii before Cutter and Apsalar ever visited (on the Silanda or otherwise), and wasn't related to Rake...

I thought all of the Andii on Drift Avalii were related to Rake

All the ones who were there when Cutter and Apsalar visited were, but many had already sailed away on the Silanda.

worrywort, on 25 January 2011 - 09:54 PM, said:

It may be Phaed, who at least in The Bonehunters IIRC is described as Nimander's daughter with one of Rake's ex-lovers in some weird bit of revenge, right? Which would make her half Andii, and her offspring potentially quarter. But I'm not sure if that was later abandoned, as in RG and TTH the Drift Avalii Andii's relationships all get tangled.

Depends on how you interprete the comments from tBH (think it was Braven Tooth who said it). He points out Nimander and hints at connection to Rake (via the hair I think), then says "and that's his first daughter Phaed". The "his" seems to be inferring Nimander because that's who Braven Tooth was just talking about but I think he really means Rake.

Either way, if Phaed had a child the father could just as easily have been another Andii as a human.

[nacht]

HiddenOne, on 21 January 2011 - 06:26 PM, said:

L, on 20 January 2011 - 08:39 AM, said:

Pearl is I'm pretty sure the son of Phaed who is only a few generations removed from Mother Dark,

Where did you get this idea? I'm interested in some quote-fu

I think what was meant was they were both similar,

Pearl was probably pretty like Phaed and showed off too much, and of course both of them thought too much about themselves, pretty narcissists, the world is full of them.

I think in the meeting between Kalam and Lasseen, we find out the claw has become useless and filled up with poor recruits and probably a lot of favoritism. Kalam really wanted to take up the offer to become the head of the Claw and clean it up. It seems Surly was the best with Topper probably pretty good and Possum was a big drop off after that. It also seems Surly was a good manager too where as Topper/Possum probably lacked the leadership abilities. Surly probably wanted it this way considering that she used the claw to become Empress and she didnt want somebody else to the same to her. So you take the head honcho off and the quality falls. Sort of like Apple without Jobs.

Edit: replaced nepotism with favoritism

This post has been edited by nacht: 26 January 2011 - 08:07 AM