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Orb, Sceptre, Throne .... and the Deck of Dragons

#1 T'renn

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 04:11 PM

So, as has become common knowledge, the Darujhistan novel by esslemont will be named: Orb, Sceptre, Throne....

I just went through the list of unaligned in the deck of Dragons, and there are the cards: Orb, Sceptre and Throne....

any thoughts on this ?

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 04:54 PM

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on 16 January 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

Except that I still think it's a bad title and will jump at every opportunity to belabor that point, no matter how annoying it is....

Curious as to why it's these three. What about Crown and Obelisk? Then there's Chain, Master of the Deck and Oponn, all of which are unaligned. Not to mention the others that came in post-Bonehunters (Salvation, Apocalypse, etc.)

Illuyankas, on 07 April 2011 - 08:37 PM, said:

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 05:15 PM

As far as I understand every ascendant gets a card. The unaligned are either Ascendants or positions of power the ascendants once filled. They are basically power blocks outside the main body of cards connected with the house.

Chain is the Crippled God.
Obelisk is Burn.
Oponn is the Twins.
Master of the Deck needs no explanation.
I believe K'rul is at one point connected with Orb.

A crazy theory could be that Orb, Scepter and Throne are different sides of K'rulls magic system. The three names symbolising, K'rul, Mocra and the entity that "is always turned away" from Mocra.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 08:20 PM

Grub is the sceptre
Gesler the orb
Stormy the throne

I'm sure they're listed in a glossary in one of the books as that

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 08:23 PM

Hmm. Weird. MS, ST and Destriant?

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 08:28 PM

Although some of those aspects are definite in some way (that evades my fullest understanding) I think the fundamental rule of Just Because Someone Occupies a Specific Position in a House (or in this case, as an unaligned) It Doesn't Necessarily Mean the Corresponding Card in the Deck Always Indicates Their Involvement. These are things that change across continents and circumstance (for example Obelisk being an inactive card in 7C but then emerging with some apparent correlation to Icarium in DG.) Orb has definitely come out for K'rul on Genebackis before, but on Lether in DoD it comes out for Gesler.

All this to say, it's possible that figuring out which gods/characters have had correlations to these Unaligneds won't grant too much insight into the key players and events in this (horrifically titled) book.

Illuyankas, on 07 April 2011 - 08:37 PM, said:

How do you rape a cave? Do you ask, "You want to fuck, yes?" hear the echo come back, "Yes... es... es..." and get your barnacle-gouged groove on?

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 08:33 PM

Jenisapt Rul, on 16 January 2011 - 08:23 PM, said:

Hmm. Weird. MS, ST and Destriant?

Stormy and Gesler are the Mortal Sword and Shield Anvil of the K'Chain Che Malle. Grub has, as of Dust of Dreams, nothing to do with the KCCM at all.

The cards are unaligned and represent whoever at whatever point. See Ciceronian's post above mine.

Although, I think the shortened potential title Scepter and Throne works alright, I agree with him about "OST" being a terrible title.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 09:33 PM

Grub, Nil and Nether. It's a triumvirate.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 09:39 PM

Hetan, on 16 January 2011 - 09:33 PM, said:

Grub, Nil and Nether. It's a triumvirate.

What happened to Sinn?

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 10:32 PM

I was thinking of Grub, Sinn and Coltaine, myself.

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 09:43 AM

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on 16 January 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

So, as has become common knowledge, the Darujhistan novel by esslemont will be named: Orb, Sceptre, Throne....

Maybe. ICE's agents are listing the book as just Sceptre and Throne at the moment (with a December 2011 release date), so the title may not be 100% decided on yet.

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 03:06 PM

Werthead, on 17 January 2011 - 09:43 AM, said:

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on 16 January 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

So, as has become common knowledge, the Darujhistan novel by esslemont will be named: Orb, Sceptre, Throne....

Maybe. ICE's agents are listing the book as just Sceptre and Throne at the moment (with a December 2011 release date), so the title may not be 100% decided on yet.

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Illuyankas, on 07 April 2011 - 08:37 PM, said:

How do you rape a cave? Do you ask, "You want to fuck, yes?" hear the echo come back, "Yes... es... es..." and get your barnacle-gouged groove on?

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 05:50 PM

amphibian, on 16 January 2011 - 09:39 PM, said:

Hetan, on 16 January 2011 - 09:33 PM, said:

Grub, Nil and Nether. It's a triumvirate.

What happened to Sinn?

oh yeah - bugger - that ruined the idea... no wait - there's one missing Crown, Sceptre, Orb and Throne.. Hah! I knew there was something wrong.

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 10:02 PM

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on 16 January 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

Well. In Dust of Dreams there was a Reading of the Deck of Dragons near the start of the Novel by Fiddler ( so you know it's gotta be serious)

anyways it had something to do with Gesler and Stormy. Throne and Orb and Sceptre, Gesler was one of these adn Stormy was another. I read it a while ago my memory isnt 100% accurate, go over that novel and you'll figure it out.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 04:46 PM

TheSword, on 05 March 2011 - 10:02 PM, said:

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on 16 January 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

Just to let you know and I am sorry for the spoiler

Spoiler

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 05:35 PM

I caught myself just in time so I didn't read the whole sentence. I'm not certain of the spoiler policy in the forthcoming novels forum, but surely a large-ish TCG spoiler such as that should be, well...spoiler'd properly in spoiler tags so that one doesn't just read it accidentally?

It's kind of annoying for people who are still reading or haven't yet read TCG, when unmarked spoilers just pop out of nowhere. It would be understandable if this were the TCG subforum but it's not.

Could we get a mod to sort it out if it's deemed necessary? Only trying to protect the innocent...and myself.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 05:46 PM

I'm fairly sure in forthcoming novels, all spoilers from previous books are fair game. Might be wrong though.

Am I the only one who thinks that the title has more to do with the former tyrant of Darujhistan, and, by extension, their pickled Seguleh that were discovered?

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:03 PM

Aye, I suppose it does say so back on the Forums page so I can't complain. In my opinion, putting things inside spoiler tags doesn't hurt, though, especially while so many people are still reading/waiting for TCG.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 10:45 PM

Hmm.

Spoiler

Composure returned.

Anyways. If they die then I don't have a single clue... WAIT!!!

Didn't they say something about Picker having some important role to play?

May it's got something to do with the remaining three Bridgeburners Picker Antsy and Blend. Three names. etc. Refuse to die, Ascendents in their own right.

Could be anything.