[Omtose]

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2010 - 11:07 PM, said:

so what, you think theres a hidden faction?

i agree with korby, ruse was guessing about rashan and galain, so the fact that rashan was allience doesnt mean galain is.

while it doesnt mean he isnt allience, i think his eagerness to put a link between the 2 is suspicious

Where'd you pull the hidden faction idea from? First Rashan with his hidden location idea at the beginning of the game, and now this. I think the chances of it are next to nothing, and we've seen nothing thus far to indicate that there's a fourth faction.

[Galain]

Tiamatha, on 06 December 2010 - 11:01 PM, said:

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Kuai Yue, a former advisor to Liu Biao, is dead. (Liosan and High Mage Quick Ben)
Yang Dajang, chief officer of personnel of Yuan Shao's forces, is dead. (Serc and Lisheo)
Cai Mao, a spy, is dead. (Ruse and Vengeance)
Hu Che'er, a defecting officer, or maybe a ruse of Jia Xu, is dead. (Mockra and Silencer)
Pang Tong, Huang Zhong's chief advisor, is dead. (Rashan and Tattersail)
Jia Xu, chief strategist of Zhang Xiu, is severely wounded and is out of the game. (Kessobahn and Kurt Montandon)
Wen Chou, a general of Yuan Shao, is dead. (Merrid and MTS)

Ok Liosan in the death scene appears to be against YS.

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Peng Ji, dressed in hempen scarf and plain weave robe, sped downriver, straight to the western forces' forward camp on the river north of Shang Yong. Jia Xu received him with low bows. "You have been well since we parted, I trust," said Peng Ji. "My friend, you have taken great trouble, coming so far to serve as Yuan Shao's spokesman," Jia Xu responded. Taken aback, Peng Ji said, "We have been apart so long, I came especially to reminisce. How could you suspect me of such a thing?" With a smile, Jia Xu answered, "My ear may not be so fine as the great musician Shi Kuang's, but I can discern good music and good intentions too." "Dear friend," Peng Ji replied, "if this is how you treat an old friend, I must beg my leave." Laughing, Jia Xu took Peng Ji by the arm and said, "I was afraid brother, that you were working for Yuan Shao, that's all. If you have no such purpose, there is no need to rush. Please stay." And so the two of them went into the camp. After the ritual greetings they seated themselves, and Jia Xu summoned the notables of the west to feast his friend.

"Since fielding the army," Jia Xu declared, "I have drunk no wine. But today, in the company of an old friend, with no lack of trust, let us have our fill and then some!" With that, he laughed loudly and drank deeply. The toasts came thick and fast. Feigning intoxication, Jia Xu laughed heartily. "To think we were once students together!" he said. "Who would have foreseen a day like today?" "Brother," said Peng Ji, "with your supreme abilities, such accomplishment is only too fitting." Gripping Peng Ji's hand, Jia Xu pointed to the commanders and said, "These are the pillars of the west. And this gathering today shall be known as the Congregation of the Heroes." The company kept on drinking and laughing gaily until late into the evening.

During the evening, Peng Ji recognized a familiar face in the minor officers. Catching his eye, Jia Xu said, "That is the fearless Cai Mao. He commanded Jiang Ling until Yuan Shao's forces took the city and fled across the province to join us here for revenge." Believing him to be a spy for Yuan Shao and wishing not to foil Cai Mao's deception, Peng Ji prepared to leave.

Jia Xu interrupted him, "We have not shared a couch for many a year, my friend. Tonight we share a bed foot-to-foot." Thoroughly intoxicated, he led Peng Ji arm in arm into his bedchamber and there collapsed, sprawling into bed fully dressed and vomiting copiously. How could Peng Ji sleep? He lay on his pillow, listening. Looking about the tent, he saw the wasted candle still giving light. On the table Peng Ji noticed a sheaf of documents. He rose and stealthily looked through them: among the correspondance was a letter from Zhang Yun and Wen Ping, Yuan Shao's new naval commanders. He peeked at the contents:

We surrendered to Shao by dint of circumstance, not for wealth or rank. We have tricked the northern army by enclosing it inside the large ships. The moment we have the chance, we will deliver the traitor Shao's head to you. Cai Mao will be our contact in your camp: Yuan Shao believes he is spying for him, but he will feed Shao all the false information you wish and keep you updated on our plans within the Prime Minister's camp. Have no doubts. Herein our respectful reply.
Peng Ji stowed the letter in his clothes, extinguished the lamp and lay down. At the fourth watch, he slipped out of the tent and headed for the main gate. "Where to, sir?" the guard asked. "I'm afraid I have been keeping the field marshal from his work, so I am saying good-bye for now." The guard made no attempt to stop them.

As soon as Peng Ji had departed, Jia Xu called for armed guards to arrest and execute Cai Mao as a traitor. Had Peng Ji flushed out Cai Mao's disguise?

Cai Mao, a spy, is dead. (Ruse and Vengeance)

So Ruse in the death scene was executed as a traitor to HZ and he a spy in the cf so it looks like he was working for YS.

Yeah, it's hard to say. I looked at this before, but there's a pretty big line in it where Peng Ji is trying to leave to avoid foiling Cai Mao's deception. He leaves but Cai Mao gets found out anyway. D'rek is ambiguous in how it is discovered, but it was a lynch anyway, so a lot of flavor is likely added for embellishment. It does put Ruse as a likely member of YS.

The only thing that gives me pause is that one scene had Rashan looking like a clear defector to YS's side... and the next scene made it look like the entire scene with Rashan defecting was a giant trickery and that Rashan was still on the HZ team.

[Galain]

Also, crossposted with Omtose's explanation.. the whole thing is hard to decipher. Part of it is the style that D'rek uses to write these things... the antiquated old Chinesy style. That plus the Chinese names makes it very hard to keep it straight for us non-Asians.

I'm thinking "no" on hidden factions. My honest opinion is that Liosan was basically not alligned with anyone. I would bet SEVERAL people starte the game that way. He probably had a chance to try and join a faction and we lynched him off first. There are many of these "pawn" types being used in the game, I'm sure you can tell.

[Omtose]

Galain, on 06 December 2010 - 11:21 PM, said:

Also, crossposted with Omtose's explanation.. the whole thing is hard to decipher. Part of it is the style that D'rek uses to write these things... the antiquated old Chinesy style. That plus the Chinese names makes it very hard to keep it straight for us non-Asians.

I'm thinking "no" on hidden factions. My honest opinion is that Liosan was basically not alligned with anyone. I would bet SEVERAL people starte the game that way. He probably had a chance to try and join a faction and we lynched him off first. There are many of these "pawn" types being used in the game, I'm sure you can tell.

Hmm, I dunno about people starting off the game unaligned. That'd give the potential for an awfully large faction imbalance, especially when we factor in officer defection.

[Tulas Shorn]

Galain, on 06 December 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

I would really hesitate to say that the YS killer is out of the game. We don't know that it was just 1 and we only saw one kill that we can confirm was done by Merrid.

what makes you think there's only one?

after all, tha allies' operation involved "extra kills", meaning they must have had some to begin with.
it's farly common that in a gam eloaded with NAs, not a whole lot happens right away, because they tend to cancel each other out. THis does not mean, in any way shape or form that we can presume there aren't more killers out there.

[Tulas Shorn]

I can see officer defection being a part of that--after all, each char is a "hero", or at least someone recognizable in the history book.

that being said, Liu Biao was opposing YS, and Liosan's Char describes HZ as "the great hero", for his supposedly robn Hood-y antics, riding with his merry 100k men and defying YS.
So it's fairly safe to assume he was related to the allies in some capacity.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 23 hours and 11 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Galain, Korabas, Omtose, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Emurlahn, Galain, Korabas, Omtose, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

[Omtose]

Hmm, good catch on the Liu Biao thing Tulas.

And Cataclysm is installing...wave goodbye to my soul.

[Galain]

Well I think it's all speculation at this point to figure out Liosan's CF not giving a more "definitive" alignment. Tiamatha probably did us good by looking it over, but the results are inconclusive.

So we're letting this day kind of tick on... and I am starting to have a decent feel for the factions, I think, although defection and whatnot really make it dicey. I'm not sure who the right lynch is, however.

[Galain]

tell me what you think of Cataclysm, too... I haven't played since just before Wrath came out. Kind of thinking of poking my head back in... but I dunno, seems like a dangerous road.

[Tulas Shorn]

personally, I can't wait till DIII.....those trailers just have too much awesome.
and if Blizz actually decided to give each char their own story+quests (kinda like Harbinger tried to, but deeper), this game may become legendary.

[Galain]

Yeah but... if that game is out before 2012 I will be surprised.

[Tulas Shorn]

well, Heart of te Swarm's supposed to be out in 2011....

Plus Deus Ex 3, Witcher 2, etc....

[Omtose]

Diablo 3 is going to be incredible. I can't tell you how many hours of my life I wasted on b.net in 2.

I never did complete SC2's campaign. I'm most excited for Legacy of the Void, as I've always found Protoss to be the most interesting.

[Tulas Shorn]

Omtose, on 07 December 2010 - 07:42 AM, said:

Diablo 3 is going to be incredible. I can't tell you how many hours of my life I wasted on b.net in 2.

I never did complete SC2's campaign. I'm most excited for Legacy of the Void, as I've always found Protoss to be the most interesting.

I ran through it once t'was alright, but i'm curious to see how they implement continuity with Heart of the A swarm. there were some missions that required decisions, and I want to see whether those will carry over and affect the storyline.
Also, too many achievements. it was my first real exposure to them, since i'm a purely PC gamer.
I finished about half of my second run, and then I went to uni and haven't booted it up since.

and yes, the 'toss are awesome. those Zeratul missions were epic.

and yeah, Diablo should be amazing. i'm very excited by the fact that the guy in charge of the story in quests worked on original Fallout and Vampire: the masquerade Bloodlines. most of the new characters have SO much room for some really aweosme stories, and i hope each one will be unique, making it worthwhile to play as each char.

[Omtose]

I haven't paid a lot of attention to D3 news. It looks incredibly interesting, but I want to know as little about the game as possible when I start playing, therefore I can be awed by everything I see.

And stuck at connecting for Cataclysm. How fucking typical that I can't log in.

[Tulas Shorn]

I drop by the official site once every few months, usually end up d/l ing another aweosme new video, and not visiting for a few months.

but yeah, that game is shaping up to be awesome.

[Korabas]

Omtose, on 06 December 2010 - 11:16 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2010 - 11:07 PM, said:

so what, you think theres a hidden faction?

i agree with korby, ruse was guessing about rashan and galain, so the fact that rashan was allience doesnt mean galain is.

while it doesnt mean he isnt allience, i think his eagerness to put a link between the 2 is suspicious

Where'd you pull the hidden faction idea from? First Rashan with his hidden location idea at the beginning of the game, and now this. I think the chances of it are next to nothing, and we've seen nothing thus far to indicate that there's a fourth faction.

Not to mention we are halfway through the game.
Honestly, this is weird. This was the sort of: I don't know what to talk about, so let's throw out a crazy theory post.

Also, D'rek quite likely won't attempt hidden factions after the Twilight game.

[Korabas]

Woaw, dead thread is not alive.

[Galain]

See, aren't you glad we voted off the low posters to start the game? Otherwise, we'd be in an even bigger mess... but yeah, half of this day is gone and there's been almost no discussion.