[Tulas Shorn]

Korabas, on 03 December 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 December 2010 - 12:47 PM, said:

well now your going to be voted off for certain tomorrow then aren't you. absolute certain, this was your worst move yet Ruse as I am in no way shape or whatever YS. only scum lie but this is a faction game. outrageous claim but one that can be easily solved. guys, if i go (1), then ruse must be lynched when you find out he was lying here (2). the thing is, would this leave YS, and Ruse team with the advantage? at the same time Korabas has defended Ruse. I would love to see the points total at the moment to see where things stand (3). also merrid, if you are ys and you believe ruse then vote him off, if you aren't ys and believe me then vote him off ha ha its a no brainer!! you could vote me off but i am a good guy (*), if i go, yes you'll know ruse was lying but may be at a disadvantage.

(1) you have what, 2 votes? Ruse is at L-1 or L-2 if I am not mistaken.
(2) of course he does not want to die, so he comes up with something. You fail to get the complete picture, too: he claims ZX/HZ, but that makes it very interesting for a YS player to jump on the train and off him as finders (if that is believed) are dangerous.
(3) what points count?

(*) for fucks sake, stop saying that. There is no good or bad (and if there are, it depends on your own alignment) and everyone has told you this a gazillion times. If it is a plea for sympathy, it is both obvious and getting pathetic.

pedantic bear says: bold is to be used for votes only.

also, am I the only one who thinks Ruse mentioned Galain as his find formt hat post?

[Galain]

Silchas Ruin, on 03 December 2010 - 05:35 PM, said:

Well I am back and read up. It Looks like Vengy was telling the truth... I waded through his Death scene and it looks like he was a defecting spy working against YS. This lends more Credence to the Rashan is full of shit camp as well as puts Galain in a very bad light. When a finder comes up dead, rants before he is lynched and his CF comes back as him telling the truth... well, my only dilema is wondering if I should vote Galain or Rashan.

I am of a mind to think that Rashan was/is the operations master for YS as he was worried pre resolution that he might be NK'd.. I am wondering if he shot his load early and excecuted the maneuver. Him then coming on and spouting that "whah whah I didn't get to use my NA again last night" only makes me think he really did use it last night. So, i think I am more of a mind to go after the other person that Ruse implicated: Galain

vote Galain

Though I would be fine voting for Rashan as well... I can't believe we have, time and again, let people play the newby card and get away with it. Suspect behavior is suspect behavior , regardless of if it's from new or veteran. It's been shown time and again.

Now if my reading of the scene was wrong, enlighten me but what I got from it was....

YS's spy came down the river and met with the HZ officer. They got drunk and in the middle of the night, the YS spy went to the generals desk and found a letter the letter was from the naval comanders saying that Ruse/Vengence was fake working for YS and feeding him disinformation. Then the YS spy got up and left the camp. Did I read this wrong? It was like wading through Caramel trying to get all the names straight. If someone read it a different way, my vote might not make much sense. I am interested to hear others take.

gonna read the night resolution next as that looks tricky too.

This reads right to me... you just don't mention that if it's true, apparently the HZ team killed off their own Spy. Again, it's just flavor text, but it does mean that Ruse was working for HZ.

There certainly is a lot of protestation from Rashan about which faction he is not. It's got me thinking if this is one of those "Hide in Plain Sight" GI Joe moments.

[Galain]

Ruse, on 03 December 2010 - 12:41 PM, said:

Mockra, on 03 December 2010 - 11:06 AM, said:

Screw it, nearly 1am here, I wanted to be on for day time-out in case I was needed, but really at this point that will be pushing it. Got times mixed up earlier unfortunately so I thought it would have timed out two hours ago. *sigh*

Remove Vote

Vote Ruse

Because he's the most viable lynch, I want the info, and I'm not sure what team he's on. Plus it will give at least some interesting WIFOM-style info about those he's..."interacted" with.

EDIT: Fixing bold tags.

Are you fucking twits kidding me. I go to bed and you motherfuckers go to lynch me. Are you fucking 10. And this is the best you can do is that I of all fucking people give you the most info. What the fuck are you talking about. What fucking info are you going to get from my fucking lynch. Tell me that. I have spent almost the entire fucking game defending my self from a fucking twit who has been attacking me over.....Calling him suspicious....Low posting on day fucking 2....Posting on day fucking two.... Cursing and calling him a twit on day fucking two.... I did a find on him last night and he came up YS. Now I was trying to keep this shit to myself as a. I am not going to out that I have a fucking finding ability and b. I can see who else he is bunking with. Hello Galain.

But you bunch of retards decided to drive a lynch on me over absolutely nothing. Now I will be damed if I am going down with out a fight. Thank god I got on this morning before I left for work.

Vote for Rashan

This is his claim. He did a "find" on Rashan, came up with YS, and (as a secondary effect of the find?) sees that Rashan is "bunking" with me? I'm not even sure what the bunking statement meant. I'm not in any communication with Rashan. It's possibly Ruse had a surveillance role... like, he was able to see Rashan's faction and then see what Rashan was up to... and noticed that Rashan was taking an action on me the night before (in which case I'm doubly inclined to vote him). Vengey isn't always the smartest player when he's angry, so he could have easily misunderstood what his role was.

[Kessobahn]

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Vote Rashan


This isn't exactly OMGUS, this is a.) Testing Ruse's claim, and b.) a response to a complete drive-by vote on me. Rashan voted on me without saying why, then conveniently ran off.

And Korabas is now trying to play the old "Oh, he's harmless now, let's not waste a lynch on him" bullshit that people use to protect their team-mates while pretending to look out for the common good.






(edited for formatting)

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 03 December 2010 - 06:14 PM

[Tulas Shorn]

Rashan, on 03 December 2010 - 03:54 PM, said:

well well, looks like i was totally wrong. i hold my hands up, looks like i'm number one target. i might die at night yet.

dude, seriously? :facepalm:

[Silchas Ruin]

Yeah, i noticed that about Korabas as well. Nothing to see here.. he's harmless... move along!!

[Silchas Ruin]

Galain, on 03 December 2010 - 06:12 PM, said:

Ruse, on 03 December 2010 - 12:41 PM, said:

Mockra, on 03 December 2010 - 11:06 AM, said:

Screw it, nearly 1am here, I wanted to be on for day time-out in case I was needed, but really at this point that will be pushing it. Got times mixed up earlier unfortunately so I thought it would have timed out two hours ago. *sigh*

Remove Vote

Vote Ruse

Because he's the most viable lynch, I want the info, and I'm not sure what team he's on. Plus it will give at least some interesting WIFOM-style info about those he's..."interacted" with.

EDIT: Fixing bold tags.

Are you fucking twits kidding me. I go to bed and you motherfuckers go to lynch me. Are you fucking 10. And this is the best you can do is that I of all fucking people give you the most info. What the fuck are you talking about. What fucking info are you going to get from my fucking lynch. Tell me that. I have spent almost the entire fucking game defending my self from a fucking twit who has been attacking me over.....Calling him suspicious....Low posting on day fucking 2....Posting on day fucking two.... Cursing and calling him a twit on day fucking two.... I did a find on him last night and he came up YS. Now I was trying to keep this shit to myself as a. I am not going to out that I have a fucking finding ability and b. I can see who else he is bunking with. Hello Galain.

But you bunch of retards decided to drive a lynch on me over absolutely nothing. Now I will be damed if I am going down with out a fight. Thank god I got on this morning before I left for work.

Vote for Rashan

This is his claim. He did a "find" on Rashan, came up with YS, and (as a secondary effect of the find?) sees that Rashan is "bunking" with me? I'm not even sure what the bunking statement meant. I'm not in any communication with Rashan. It's possibly Ruse had a surveillance role... like, he was able to see Rashan's faction and then see what Rashan was up to... and noticed that Rashan was taking an action on me the night before (in which case I'm doubly inclined to vote him). Vengey isn't always the smartest player when he's angry, so he could have easily misunderstood what his role was.

Bunking is another term for "In bed with" or "In cahoots with" or "On the same side"

Vengey gets pissed, but he always has a good handle on his role. There is 0% chance that he misunderstood what his role was. Half the time his anger is a cover.

[Tulas Shorn]

ok, that was interesting.

so, if we assume that everyhting in the scenes is correct, that means Yuan Shao has 5 commanders, a strategist, and Peng Ji (a super-spy), at least.

but of those, at least 2 commanders are (fake) defectors. unless Xia Hu planted the letter for Peng Ji to find and make Yuan Shao believe that Zhang Yun and Wen Ping are traitors. which I can totally see D'rek doing btw.

which still leavers us with vengy's cryptic allegation that Rashan and (allegedly) Galain are with Yuan shao.

interesting.
I'll need to think on this.

right now I;m inclined to vote Rashan just so that i don't have to reead any more of the "i'mnot with Yuan Shao, I'm one of the good guys" posts.

[Omtose]

Okay, I'm going to go back through the last three pages and make replies to all the stuff that caught my eye, but for now my vote:

Vote Rashan

He was everywhere with his posts a few hours before the lynch, and I've just been getting an increasingly bad vibe from him. Especially at the point where he tells us all that he's said what faction he's in, and goes to point it out - that's just something you don't do in a faction game.

Also, I don't think Korabas is protecting him. If I recall, wasn't Korabas the one who made the Rashan-Mockra-Serc triangle, or was that Galain? It could just be distancing, but whoever had that theory was a pretty big proponent of it. Then again, if it was Galain rather than Korabas who brought that up, just ignore this.

[Omtose]

Rashan, on 03 December 2010 - 12:14 PM, said:

Korabas, on 03 December 2010 - 12:11 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 December 2010 - 10:11 AM, said:

Korabas, on 03 December 2010 - 10:05 AM, said:

Omtose, on 03 December 2010 - 05:40 AM, said:

D, on 09 November 2010 - 07:02 PM, said:

Officers may defect between forces, or may feign defection in order to infiltrate the enemy camp.

Path-Shaper, on 02 December 2010 - 01:09 AM, said:

Kuai Yue, a former advisor to Liu Biao, is dead. (Liosan and High Mage Quick Ben)

Path-Shaper, on 02 December 2010 - 05:39 AM, said:

Yang Dajang, chief officer of personnel of Yuan Shao's forces, is dead. (Serc and Lisheo)

Concerning the defection mechanic. Maybe everyone in this game is considered an officer and I'm just reading too much into it, but if you'll note D'rek says that officers may defect. Serc had officer in his title, Liosan didn't, which could further the theory about him being able to defect. Then again, everyone who isn't a leader could be considered an officer.

Now, my question is, if we go with Emurlahn's theory about who knows who and how defection works, then how do fake defections work?

If Officers are the only ones who can defect, it seems they'll be the bottom of the food/command chain. If they are higher up, they are likely to be powerplayers. Sure, they may still cause collateral, but two heavy hitters choosing to switch to the same faction would unbalance the game (and probably lynch dominance) immensely. Two near RIs is a different matter... maybe the only 'role ability' officers have, is being able to defect?

Anyway, that would put Serc as a peon, not as the recruiter as some seem to think.
Fake defections... maybe just that when you switch faction, you get a new contact in your chosen faction, but your victory conditions remain the same? It would be like a one-time find, basically.

Anyway, to continue my triangle hard-on for Serc and Rashan being connected with Mockra... this chain theory makes it slightly more viable again.

Vote Rashan

for potentially being higher in the command chain than Serc.

well how about voting for Mockra to see if he is connected to Serc? The thing is, Serc was team YS and that aint my team, if you are not on team YS then you should not vote for me, simples, I already made the mistake of letting you know this early in the game, i just haven't rubbed it in your face. if we get rid of mockra then we will know if serc was related to him. i'm certainly not a leader, and if mockra or ruse turn out to be good then i'd be happy to vote myself tomorrow.

I had not seen this earlier.
Seriously son, that is not how we roll.

Mafia is more lies than truth and you cannot trust anything anyone says at face value, and that goes double in faction games. Everyone is guilty until proven otherwise through CF, reveal, or until guilt is established by two things that massively contradict one another.

you're not trying to distract me from Merrid are you Korabas? have you actually looked at his posts?

Here's one that I read and was just like, "Where the fuck did this come from?" Korabas makes a comment, and somehow that's distracting Rashan from Merrid? Yah, maybe if Rashan has the attention span of a two year old (which is entirely possible, just look at his posts).

[Omtose]

Rashan, on 03 December 2010 - 12:47 PM, said:

well now your going to be voted off for certain tomorrow then aren't you. absolute certain, this was your worst move yet Ruse as I am in no way shape or whatever YS. only scum lie but this is a faction game. outrageous claim but one that can be easily solved. guys, if i go, then ruse must be lynched when you find out he was lying here. the thing is, would this leave YS, and Ruse team with the advantage? at the same time Korabas has defended Ruse. I would love to see the points total at the moment to see where things stand. also merrid, if you are ys and you believe ruse then vote him off, if you aren't ys and believe me then vote him off ha ha its a no brainer!! you could vote me off but i am a good guy, if i go, yes you'll know ruse was lying but may be at a disadvantage.

Rashan's constant harping about being a good guy is really starting to get on my nerves, and I know I'm not alone.

[Galain]

Tulas Shorn, on 03 December 2010 - 06:27 PM, said:

ok, that was interesting.

so, if we assume that everyhting in the scenes is correct, that means Yuan Shao has 5 commanders, a strategist, and Peng Ji (a super-spy), at least.

but of those, at least 2 commanders are (fake) defectors. unless Xia Hu planted the letter for Peng Ji to find and make Yuan Shao believe that Zhang Yun and Wen Ping are traitors. which I can totally see D'rek doing btw.

which still leavers us with vengy's cryptic allegation that Rashan and (allegedly) Galain are with Yuan shao.

interesting.
I'll need to think on this.

right now I;m inclined to vote Rashan just so that i don't have to reead any more of the "i'mnot with Yuan Shao, I'm one of the good guys" posts.

So you're thinking the YS faction started with 6 people with 2 fakes on top of that? That would mean that that faction would currently have a plurality. At least one fake defector would have been Ruse. Serc is gone and was apparently a real commander. That still leaves 6, only one of which is fake, or 5 vs 5 (3 + 2?).

[Omtose]

Merrid, on 03 December 2010 - 12:54 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 December 2010 - 12:48 PM, said:

killers, kill off ruse if i get lynched, you'll see i am not in YS. If they have similar numbers then this would be why ruse is still around

Stupid post any way you look at it, and you're looking awfully jittery at the moment Rashan.

Korabas, on 03 December 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 December 2010 - 12:47 PM, said:

well now your going to be voted off for certain tomorrow then aren't you. absolute certain, this was your worst move yet Ruse as I am in no way shape or whatever YS. only scum lie but this is a faction game. outrageous claim but one that can be easily solved. guys, if i go (1), then ruse must be lynched when you find out he was lying here (2). the thing is, would this leave YS, and Ruse team with the advantage? at the same time Korabas has defended Ruse. I would love to see the points total at the moment to see where things stand (3). also merrid, if you are ys and you believe ruse then vote him off, if you aren't ys and believe me then vote him off ha ha its a no brainer!! you could vote me off but i am a good guy (*), if i go, yes you'll know ruse was lying but may be at a disadvantage.

(1) you have what, 2 votes? Ruse is at L-1 or L-2 if I am not mistaken.
(2) of course he does not want to die, so he comes up with something. You fail to get the complete picture, too: he claims ZX/HZ, but that makes it very interesting for a YS player to jump on the train and off him as finders (if that is believed) are dangerous.
(3) what points count?

(*) for fucks sake, stop saying that. There is no good or bad (and if there are, it depends on your own alignment) and everyone has told you this a gazillion times. If it is a plea for sympathy, it is both obvious and getting pathetic.

Agreed with both of the responses (from Merrid and Korabas) here.

Rashan, on 03 December 2010 - 01:05 PM, said:

yeah but the way i see it and i don't care if its not good guy bad guy, anyone that is on YS to me are the enemy. equal numbers or not. just cause you won't write your allegiance down. Korabas I really think you are YS with Ruse. nothing you can say now will change that, as a)ruse just lied, why would he lie? b)you won't vote for him. you know he is on your team. so by killing him we would then move on to you. you have stated your allegiance with him, and if he is YS then you got to be too

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...Okay, let me do my best to respond to the stupidity within this post. 1) AGAIN with the "Oh hey I swear I'm not YS!" Yes, we get the idea already. 2) Writing your allegiance down this early in the game is a recipe for disaster. 3) Nothing Korabas says now can change that? Even a good, logical case? Maybe it's just me, but I'm incredibly wary of dealing with absolutes in a faction game. Had I been on right before the lynch, I would have removed my vote from Ruse (not that that says anything now, obviously I could just be BSing). But, as Ruse himself pointed out, that whole train on him was built out of nothing. 4) Faction game, bud. We don't know everyone on our team, and because of this it's good to exercise caution when placing a vote.

Meh...I'll just stop there. Unfortunately, logic is often no match for stupidity.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 29 hours and 18 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Galain, Kessobahn, Korabas, Merrid, Omtose, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Rashan ( Kessobahn, Omtose )
1 Vote for Kessobahn ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Galain, Korabas, Merrid, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

[Omtose]

I'm interested in hearing Rashan's logic for voting for Kesso to try and justify it not being OMGUS. What, is he gonna say he's obviously not YS, so anyone who votes for him has to be YS?

[Omtose]

Ah, my bad. Thought that Kesso voted first.

[Silchas Ruin]

Honestly with Ruse's Death, death scene and CF I find it hard to see me voting for anyone other than Rashan or Galain. It would give us the most info BY FAR, and it would remove an obvious distraction to the game. I am sure the neither side is sure where Rashan's allegience lies.

[Silchas Ruin]

Omtose, on 03 December 2010 - 07:27 PM, said:

Ah, my bad. Thought that Kesso voted first.

That doesn't change the fact that he gave no reason for his vote

[Omtose]

Silchas Ruin, on 03 December 2010 - 07:30 PM, said:

Omtose, on 03 December 2010 - 07:27 PM, said:

Ah, my bad. Thought that Kesso voted first.

That doesn't change the fact that he gave no reason for his vote

I know. I'm just referring to how I called it OMGUS.

[Silchas Ruin]

oic