[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 20 hours and 47 minutes remaining
14 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Galain, Kessobahn, Korabas, Liosan, Merrid, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Emurlahn, Galain, Kessobahn, Korabas, Liosan, Merrid, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

[Path-Shaper]

Huang Zhong's meagre forces fled Xin Ye and traveled to Xiang Yang. The city was currently under the control of Liu Zong, son of the deceased former Jingzhou governor Liu Biao. The two forces joined together to defend the city. When Yuan Shao's vanguard arrived, Liu Zong's officer Wen Ping secretly defected and then set fires at the northern gate. Yuan Shao's forces rushed into the city while Wen Ping fought off all attempts to seal the gate. Huang Zhong and Liu Zong could not secure the walls, so their forces retreated west.

Word soon came that Yuan Shao had secured the northern bank of the Xiang River and had crack troops racing south to capture Jiang Ling. Huang Zhong's master strategist, Pang Tong, said, "Fang Ling enjoys natural defenses and has ample cash and grain. It can be held indefinitely. I advise you, my lord, to station yourself there. Let young Master Zong take his forces to besiege Jiang Ling while we work our navy into fighting condition and recruit more men. We can hold Yuan Shao off by thus placing our forces in pincer formation. For us to attack Jiang Ling together would leave us isolated." "Wise counsel," Liu Zong said. "However, I would ask that your forces help escort our siege weapons to Jiang Ling. After that there'll be time enough for you to proceed to Fang Ling." "Young master Liu has a point," Huang Zhong said and, after dispatching Wei Yan to Fang Ling with five thousand men, he headed for Jiang Ling with Pang Tong and Liu Zong.[/size]

In the west of the empire Zhang Xiu, stationed at Han Zhong, heard that Yuan Shao had moved into Jingzhou and was marching on Jiang Ling double time. He therefore assembled his counselors to discuss the defense of his territory. Zhuge Jin said, "Jingzhou adjoins our territory. Rivers and mountains protect it. Its people are prosperous. If we can seize and hold the province, we will acquire the resources to establish our rule over the empire. I propose that you send me to Shang Yong to exchange formalities with Huang Zhong. I believe I can persuade him and Liu Biao's former commanders to make common cause with us against Yuan Shao. Huang Zhong's cooperation would provide a firm basis for our grand strategy." Zhang Xiu adopted the proposal and dispatched Zhuge Jin to Shang Yong with gifts.

[Path-Shaper]

I'm off to bed, see you all tomorrow!

[Omtose]

Galain, on 30 November 2010 - 11:11 PM, said:

this post is complete rubish

for starters its repeatidly said theres no scum or town in this game, its faction

Yuan Shaos army of 500k gives them 3 out of 14 players? with the other 11 players allied against him? ridiculous

im almost certian that Yuan will have 6 or 7 players

Zhang Xiu will have 4

Huang Zong will have either 3 or 4

i doubt that the leader of each faction is the opperation manager, the title may lose something from its translation from chinease, but it just seems like an underling title to me.

Not to put words in Galain's mouth, but I'm sure he used quotes around scum for a reason. As Merrid has pointed out, despite the fact that this is a faction game, Yuan can be considered "scum" and Zhang and Huang can be considered "town." Of course, it's unhealthy for Zhang and Huang to consider it exactly like that, since secondary objectives still have to be kept in mind (not that they're necessary for this game of course, but it's nice bragging rights if a faction obtains them).

For those who have played this game/D'rek's games in the past, do numbers given in scenario description directly relate to the number of members in a faction? When I read it, I just dismissed it as fluff, but we should certainly take it into consideration if it has had an effect on past games.

Meh, not really doing anything other than stating the obvious/potentially obvious, but not much to do on Day 1.

Hmm, I see we just got another description. I'll reply to that in another post, if anything comes to mind.

[Omtose]

Hmm, quote above is from Emurlahn, not Galain, my mistake on that.

[Galain]

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2010 - 04:19 AM, said:

want to say thanks to galain for the mini map, will be usefull to keep that handy that said

Galain, on 30 November 2010 - 11:11 PM, said:

From the setup, it's pretty clear Yuan Shao is the "scum" faction and based on typical numbers will make up 3 people of 14. Zhang Xiu can win the game without anybody alive. Huang Zhong can only win with at least one team alive. By secondary objective, Zhang Xiu needs to be in two cities at the end and Huang Zhong needs to be in the same two cities OR be the only one in Jiang Ling. All that says to me is that Huang Zhong is probably a "bigger" faction than Zhang Xiu. If one faction can "win" (not talking about secondary objective) without being alive at the end and the other faction can NOT win at the end without having at least one guy alive, then the faction that needs someone alive is probably a little bigger.

this post is complete rubish

for starters its repeatidly said theres no scum or town in this game, its faction

Yuan Shaos army of 500k gives them 3 out of 14 players? with the other 11 players allied against him? ridiculous

im almost certian that Yuan will have 6 or 7 players

Zhang Xiu will have 4

Huang Zong will have either 3 or 4

i doubt that the leader of each faction is the opperation manager, the title may lose something from its translation from chinease, but it just seems like an underling title to me.

You're welcome, and I'm intrigued by the idea that maybe Yuan Shao has a plurality? I mean, he can't win with a simple majority, but surely there's a point where scum can easily waltz through a game if they have the numbers. You're basically saying it started 50/50.

It does add some more speculation into the whole officer defection mechanic.

[Galain]

Merrid, on 01 December 2010 - 04:23 AM, said:

Looking at the objectives it definitely looks like Yuan Shao is a 'scum' sort of faction and Zhang Xiu and Huang Zhong are a sort of factionalised town. If we take that as true, the most likely role distribution would be 3-5-6, since I agree with Omtose that it's likely Huang would have more players than Zhang due to their need to keep their own alive to win, and if Zhang and Huang are allied and work together it's very much a town-scum set-up in the objectives sense. I tend to think Yuan Shao would have 5 members though, to represent the 5 armies Yuan Shao commands, so Yuan Shao plus 4 subordinates, which would make the role distribution 5-4-5. I'm more inclined to think that because with a lot of roled characters (and likely some BPs) it becomes much harder for Yuan Shao to win if it's 3-11 rather than 5-9. Then again, they could have protection up the wazoo, we can't really know at this stage.

Ah, I see now. D'rek had the game posted EXCEPT for the opening scene. I completely forgot to check for the scene (her scenes are usually flavor anyway). But this is a good point... it clearly says 5 equal contingents. That would be... 6 total scum, or 5 if Yuan Shao commands one army (all of D'reks games involve army command, so I doubt we'll see any solo guys).

[Galain]

Omtose, on 01 December 2010 - 05:29 AM, said:

Galain, on 30 November 2010 - 11:11 PM, said:

this post is complete rubish

for starters its repeatidly said theres no scum or town in this game, its faction

Yuan Shaos army of 500k gives them 3 out of 14 players? with the other 11 players allied against him? ridiculous

im almost certian that Yuan will have 6 or 7 players

Zhang Xiu will have 4

Huang Zong will have either 3 or 4

i doubt that the leader of each faction is the opperation manager, the title may lose something from its translation from chinease, but it just seems like an underling title to me.

Not to put words in Galain's mouth, but I'm sure he used quotes around scum for a reason. As Merrid has pointed out, despite the fact that this is a faction game, Yuan can be considered "scum" and Zhang and Huang can be considered "town." Of course, it's unhealthy for Zhang and Huang to consider it exactly like that, since secondary objectives still have to be kept in mind (not that they're necessary for this game of course, but it's nice bragging rights if a faction obtains them).

For those who have played this game/D'rek's games in the past, do numbers given in scenario description directly relate to the number of members in a faction? When I read it, I just dismissed it as fluff, but we should certainly take it into consideration if it has had an effect on past games.

Meh, not really doing anything other than stating the obvious/potentially obvious, but not much to do on Day 1.

Hmm, I see we just got another description. I'll reply to that in another post, if anything comes to mind.

The answer to your question is "sometimes" (with the quotes, that's for my buddy Emur to pick on later).

D'rek has used the actual role name in the scene before... and she has also used names that were NOT in the role. These are basically proxy characters. Like, say Officer Winky Dinky puts in an action. You may see a scene with Advisor Honky Tonky instead. Winky Dinky may not even be mentioned in the scene.

[Merrid]

Galain, on 01 December 2010 - 05:52 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2010 - 04:19 AM, said:

want to say thanks to galain for the mini map, will be usefull to keep that handy that said

Galain, on 30 November 2010 - 11:11 PM, said:

From the setup, it's pretty clear Yuan Shao is the "scum" faction and based on typical numbers will make up 3 people of 14. Zhang Xiu can win the game without anybody alive. Huang Zhong can only win with at least one team alive. By secondary objective, Zhang Xiu needs to be in two cities at the end and Huang Zhong needs to be in the same two cities OR be the only one in Jiang Ling. All that says to me is that Huang Zhong is probably a "bigger" faction than Zhang Xiu. If one faction can "win" (not talking about secondary objective) without being alive at the end and the other faction can NOT win at the end without having at least one guy alive, then the faction that needs someone alive is probably a little bigger.

this post is complete rubish

for starters its repeatidly said theres no scum or town in this game, its faction

Yuan Shaos army of 500k gives them 3 out of 14 players? with the other 11 players allied against him? ridiculous

im almost certian that Yuan will have 6 or 7 players

Zhang Xiu will have 4

Huang Zong will have either 3 or 4

i doubt that the leader of each faction is the opperation manager, the title may lose something from its translation from chinease, but it just seems like an underling title to me.

You're welcome, and I'm intrigued by the idea that maybe Yuan Shao has a plurality? I mean, he can't win with a simple majority, but surely there's a point where scum can easily waltz through a game if they have the numbers. You're basically saying it started 50/50.

It does add some more speculation into the whole officer defection mechanic.

Well first off you're assuming that in such a large faction for them to waltz through either everyone would have to know each other, or the leader would, but then to create a convincing voting bloc it would just be follow the leader the whole time. I highly doubt that's the case. I think Emurlahn's going a bit overboard with 6 or 7, that seems a bit slanted in their favour, I like the 5-4-5 set up as it's the most balanced, and I don't imagine there would be too much of a disparity in roles between the factions.

[Kessobahn]

Serc, on 01 December 2010 - 03:08 AM, said:

Not much point discussing numbers/roles at this stage in the game, I feel, but we'll see. Personally, I suspect that Yuan Shao probably has the biggest faction, seeing as the other two are set against him, and both have a better chance at victory; unless he's got some amazingly powerful roles in there, that would leave the Yuan Shao faction in a bad way.
Meh. We'll see, I am most likely wrong, as I don't know what roles are out there and how the "board" or "map" mechanic would factor into this.

I suspect the map will come into play largely in the sense of hitting your allies - Yuan Shao's faction has less of a chance of actions that will kill friendlies, which will be a balancing factor. People starting in Han Zhong and Jian Ling having the greatest chances of that.

I think.

[Emurlahn]

im going on the assumption that most of yuan shaos forces are roleless and dont know who is on which team, which would be explained by the fact the armys split up into 5

most of his force would be made up of conscripted chinease peasents so i doubt they would have much skills or abilitys

[Merrid]

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2010 - 06:37 AM, said:

im going on the assumption that most of yuan shaos forces are roleless and dont know who is on which team, which would be explained by the fact the armys split up into 5

most of his force would be made up of conscripted chinease peasents so i doubt they would have much skills or abilitys

From the sign-up:

Quote

Just about every player will be roled to some extent

I like the idea that because they're split up they don't know each other, but this leads me to believe there aren't many roleless in this game at all.

[Rashan]

checking in, will have a read through now

[Rashan]

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2010 - 05:00 AM, said:

Huang Zhong's meagre forces fled Xin Ye and traveled to Xiang Yang. The city was currently under the control of Liu Zong, son of the deceased former Jingzhou governor Liu Biao. The two forces joined together to defend the city. When Yuan Shao's vanguard arrived, Liu Zong's officer Wen Ping secretly defected and then set fires at the northern gate. Yuan Shao's forces rushed into the city while Wen Ping fought off all attempts to seal the gate. Huang Zhong and Liu Zong could not secure the walls, so their forces retreated west.

Word soon came that Yuan Shao had secured the northern bank of the Xiang River and had crack troops racing south to capture Jiang Ling. Huang Zhong's master strategist, Pang Tong, said, "Fang Ling enjoys natural defenses and has ample cash and grain. It can be held indefinitely. I advise you, my lord, to station yourself there. Let young Master Zong take his forces to besiege Jiang Ling while we work our navy into fighting condition and recruit more men. We can hold Yuan Shao off by thus placing our forces in pincer formation. For us to attack Jiang Ling together would leave us isolated." "Wise counsel," Liu Zong said. "However, I would ask that your forces help escort our siege weapons to Jiang Ling. After that there'll be time enough for you to proceed to Fang Ling." "Young master Liu has a point," Huang Zhong said and, after dispatching Wei Yan to Fang Ling with five thousand men, he headed for Jiang Ling with Pang Tong and Liu Zong.[/size]

In the west of the empire Zhang Xiu, stationed at Han Zhong, heard that Yuan Shao had moved into Jingzhou and was marching on Jiang Ling double time. He therefore assembled his counselors to discuss the defense of his territory. Zhuge Jin said, "Jingzhou adjoins our territory. Rivers and mountains protect it. Its people are prosperous. If we can seize and hold the province, we will acquire the resources to establish our rule over the empire. I propose that you send me to Shang Yong to exchange formalities with Huang Zhong. I believe I can persuade him and Liu Biao's former commanders to make common cause with us against Yuan Shao. Huang Zhong's cooperation would provide a firm basis for our grand strategy." Zhang Xiu adopted the proposal and dispatched Zhuge Jin to Shang Yong with gifts.

Galain, on 01 December 2010 - 05:56 AM, said:

Merrid, on 01 December 2010 - 04:23 AM, said:

Looking at the objectives it definitely looks like Yuan Shao is a 'scum' sort of faction and Zhang Xiu and Huang Zhong are a sort of factionalised town. If we take that as true, the most likely role distribution would be 3-5-6, since I agree with Omtose that it's likely Huang would have more players than Zhang due to their need to keep their own alive to win, and if Zhang and Huang are allied and work together it's very much a town-scum set-up in the objectives sense. I tend to think Yuan Shao would have 5 members though, to represent the 5 armies Yuan Shao commands, so Yuan Shao plus 4 subordinates, which would make the role distribution 5-4-5. I'm more inclined to think that because with a lot of roled characters (and likely some BPs) it becomes much harder for Yuan Shao to win if it's 3-11 rather than 5-9. Then again, they could have protection up the wazoo, we can't really know at this stage.

Ah, I see now. D'rek had the game posted EXCEPT for the opening scene. I completely forgot to check for the scene (her scenes are usually flavor anyway). But this is a good point... it clearly says 5 equal contingents. That would be... 6 total scum, or 5 if Yuan Shao commands one army (all of D'reks games involve army command, so I doubt we'll see any solo guys).

From the scene above you can count a fair number of players and what teams they are on. I have underlined HZ, PT and LZ on one team with a defected WP. then there is also ZX and ZJ who are forming an alliance with HZ's team. so at the moment we know of 3 "good guys" HZ, PT and LZ on one team. 2 "good" guys on another ZX and ZJ and then 2 "bad" guys who are YS and the traitor WP!

do we know of anymore characters? if we do we can use the roles to find out how many players are in each team and how many "bad" guys we have to lynch!

[Emurlahn]

ive took all the names out and made a list of which name is on which team but....as galain said we dont know if everyname on that list is an actualy player or just a NPC,

some of the place names are on the map but are not the playable locations so theres a chance that the names have been thrown in as red herrings

[Tiamatha]

If D'rek mentioned place names that aren't playable so as to add flavour and suggest that that the conlict is taking place everywhere I think they have done the same with the names.

[Korabas]

Rashan, on 01 December 2010 - 09:34 AM, said:

do we know of anymore characters? if we do we can use the roles to find out how many players are in each team and how many "bad" guys we have to lynch!

Just here for a split second as work is like the second ring of Dante's Inferno, hence why I am not anon and not going to commend a lot on set-up yet (hopefully I'll be able to do so tonight, although I do have an out-of-office propaganda government info-evening scheduled that I may dodge on account of bad traffic connections due to the weather).

Check the Dynasty Warriors character lists if you want to find the biggest heroes attached to this part of history. Alternatively, she supplied a wiki page. I'm sure cross-searching names from there will lead to a decent amount of people involved that make checking the P-S stories for important characters easier.
I doubt it will do much good in regard of faction division however, as D'rek is making an alternate history, after all, so historic factions may be unequal to current ones, especially where it concerns Yuan Shao or whatever the guy's name may be.

[Liosan]

Hmmm, i feel like the numbers have to be kind of closely balanced because actions blow in this game, there's a 1 out of 4 chance it will work on the person your doing it to.

[Liosan]

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2010 - 06:37 AM, said:

im going on the assumption that most of yuan shaos forces are roleless and dont know who is on which team, which would be explained by the fact the armys split up into 5

most of his force would be made up of conscripted chinease peasents so i doubt they would have much skills or abilitys

If your reading that much into it then that means there's 25 of them for every one everyone Else's...
Also if this was realistic he would still have over 20000 experienced troops.

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2010 - 10:38 AM, said:

ive took all the names out and made a list of which name is on which team but....as galain said we dont know if everyname on that list is an actualy player or just a NPC,

some of the place names are on the map but are not the playable locations so theres a chance that the names have been thrown in as red herrings

are you going to put a list on here for everyone or is it just for you. i think they will be players, i don't think every character in the book will play a part. Only the one's that are in the story in this game. so we do not know a few players' characters yet. there could be only 2 people on YS' team and the rest all "good guys" but i doubt that.

i am guessing that there will be 5 people on Yuan Shao's team including himself. 4 on HZ's team and the rest on ZX's. so 5 5 4.