[HoosierDaddy]

The Senate was functionally broken up to that point, so it wouldn't have been able to figure out jack had it wanted to, which many systems did not. War can be good for business. The Jedi couldn't figure it out because Palpatine was cloaking himself and his efforts from their present and future sensing.

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I have to agree with the point about the advanced tech, though. One of the themes of the Empire was dissolution, with increased central control leading to a breakdown of infrastructure (vis. Soviet Union), and the consequent failure to improve upon and even maintain existing tech. The prequel trilogy has gleaming metal, flowing lines, elegance of design, and newness. The original trilogy has dark, dirty, heavily-used machinery, angles not curves, utilitarian design.

The tech part is wrong. Just flat out wrong. You might see the glowing metal, flowing lines and elegance of design, while the Empire sees waste. The difference here being that looking pretty does not mean better technology. The Star Destroyers, AT-AT's, TIE Fighters, etc. were better than Old Republic technology.

[Illuyankas]

I think we can all agree the prequels needed more Samuel L. Jackson.

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[amphibian]

 McLovin, on 25 October 2010 - 07:07 PM, said:

Palpatine manipulated both sides to create a war, so he could become Emperor. That actually makes sense.

That neither the Senate nor the Jedi could figure out that this was what was really happening, is what makes no sense.

Neither does picking the droids over the clones - unless somehow a computer virus is somehow introduced into the droid systems that makes them uncontrollable and/or useless. Good mission for Obiwan, Windu or Yoda...

See - 20 minutes and I'm miles ahead of Lucas.

[foolio]

came across this the other day, a little off the subject but funny none the less.

Tom-Tom navigation now can be ordered with Darth Vader or Yoda giving directions....
http://starwars.tomt...oice=darthvader
check out the samples....

[D'rek]

Huh, got through about 5 minutes of Illy's RLM review and it is dumb. The reviewer goes over a typical protaganist and hero's journey to try and illustrate what he thinks TPM is missing (though Anakin fits his description soundly), and then follows with saying that if you're any of 30 popular directors/producers that he happens to like it's okay to not do it, which is entirely subjective as to whether you consider Lucas good enough to do so, not to mention that it was already important to do something different from the exact protaganist's journey of the original trilogy or everyone would denounce the prequels as being an unoriginal copy of the original 3...

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

What do you guys think about the announced upcoming trilogy? 100 to 1000 years in the future and not about the skywalkers. I'm just happy it's not the fucking clone wars. I'm hopeful but not optimistic.

And then there is the live action show. Potentially cool.

[Aptorian]

Well, they've been talking about a new trilogy and a TV series ever since they began the prequels, so lets see.

Honestly I'd rather have two more Indiana Jones films than more Star Wars.

[Traveller]

 Aptorian, on 08 November 2010 - 07:10 AM, said:

Honestly I'd rather have two more Indiana Jones films than more Star Wars.

Hell yes.

More in the Raiders style preferably, but there's a lot of potentially good historical mythology to explore... even if he is a bit older now.

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[Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast]

The more they keep adding to the Star Wars universe, the worse they're making it. OK, a bit of generalising here but I think it's common knowledge now, that it should have been left at the original trilogy because the prequel trilogy and then all the animated rubbish and whatnot kinda ruined it. Why are they making more?! Why hasn't someone told them to just stop?!

Don't get me wrong, the idea is good and potentially could be very good from a world building point of view -- providing us with more info and back- (or forward-) stories on the universe -- but let's face it, like the prequel trilogy, the films will be aimed at a twelve year old audience, contain a whole load of stupid and unnecessary jokes and probably won't make a whole lot of sense under the surface, anyway.

Does anyone else think it's time to take Star Wars out of George Lucas's (clumsy) hands and turn it (back?) into a decent, clever sci-fi film?

[Aptorian]

 Green Pig, on 08 November 2010 - 09:25 AM, said:

and then all the animated rubbish and whatnot kinda ruined it.

My favorite Star Wars stuff is actually the cartoons and animated series. Even though they are directed at the kids there is enough quality and grown up themes behind the stories that they keep me entertained when I stumble upon them. A lot of the stories are pretty dark, with characters being outright killed and the war elements are cool.

Hell, Anakin is a better character in that series than he was in all the prequels.

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[McLovin]

 Green Pig, on 08 November 2010 - 09:25 AM, said:

Why are they making more?! Why hasn't someone told them to just stop?!

Because you can't argue with the gazillions of dollars the brand has raked in over the years.

And I like a lot of what has been done. I liked the old Droids cartoon from the 80s. And the current Clone Wars animated series has its moments. I like about half of Dark Horse's comic output. I even remember the Marvel comics in early 80s were OK.

Hell, I even prefer the special edition versions of the original trilogy, which for the hardcore fans is heresy. And in spite of myself I enjoyed Eps II and III.

Now, the re-release of the entire 6-movie cycle in 3D I am not stoked about, because retrofitted 3D does not look good (eg, The Last Airbender).

I will dutifully line up for a new trilogy though.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

That's the thing, we might all whinge, but you know for certain we'll still all go and watch the new trilogy when it comes out. Just because, and in case it's any good.

And so there is an obscene amount of money guaranteed if they make it. No film studio int he world would pass up the chance, and so if Lucas fancies doing it, it's always going to happen no matter what we think.

Who knows, there's always the chance that this time he'll get itt right.

[Aptorian]

3D tie fighter battles, yes please.

[Vengeance]

 H.D., on 25 October 2010 - 07:17 PM, said:

The Senate was functionally broken up to that point, so it wouldn't have been able to figure out jack had it wanted to, which many systems did not. War can be good for business. The Jedi couldn't figure it out because Palpatine was cloaking himself and his efforts from their present and future sensing.

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I have to agree with the point about the advanced tech, though. One of the themes of the Empire was dissolution, with increased central control leading to a breakdown of infrastructure (vis. Soviet Union), and the consequent failure to improve upon and even maintain existing tech. The prequel trilogy has gleaming metal, flowing lines, elegance of design, and newness. The original trilogy has dark, dirty, heavily-used machinery, angles not curves, utilitarian design.

The tech part is wrong. Just flat out wrong. You might see the glowing metal, flowing lines and elegance of design, while the Empire sees waste. The difference here being that looking pretty does not mean better technology. The Star Destroyers, AT-AT's, TIE Fighters, etc. were better than Old Republic technology.

I agree with HD here, and to add some of my own observations. In the first 3 movies the Rebels were stuck on back water worlds and not on the prime empire worlds. Thus the more gritty look. Now I have my issues with the prequels but they are all based off of the the wooden acting and poorly written script. The movies settings seemed to be pretty accurate, Taking place on Coruscant and other higher tech worlds. The whole race on Tatooine should have been a little bit more gritty but... I didn't really like the first one at all... So that was a minor problem

[Abyss]

 Traveller, on 08 November 2010 - 08:52 AM, said:

 Aptorian, on 08 November 2010 - 07:10 AM, said:

Honestly I'd rather have two more Indiana Jones films than more Star Wars.

Hell yes.

More in the Raiders style preferably, but there's a lot of potentially good historical mythology to explore... even if he is a bit older now.

Ummm... you DID see the steaming pile of fail that was Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skullfuck, right?

No. No more. Please dear god no more leave Indy alone.

 Thelomen Toblerone, on 08 November 2010 - 07:11 PM, said:

... so there is an obscene amount of money guaranteed if they make it. No film studio int he world would pass up the chance, and so if Lucas fancies doing it, it's always going to happen no matter what we think....

It's dollars talking. STAR WARS means spend $100mil, make back triple that in the first month.

Easily worth more than funding three risky movies with lesser name capture which might maybe break even on the international DVD release. Sure once in a while you get an INCEPTION or MATRIX that grows with word of mouth, but more often you get crap that's released just to make back some thin shred of the cost.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

I would just like to say that if another Indian Jones movie gets made and Shia LeBerk is in it again, I will weep with despair.

[Abyss]

 Thelomen Toblerone, on 08 November 2010 - 08:19 PM, said:

I would just like to say that if another Indian Jones movie gets made and Shia LeBerk is in it again, I and thousands of others like me will die a little bit inside.

edit for accuracy.

[Aptorian]

Meanwhile Aptorian will do a little dance of joy.

[McLovin]

Indy 4 didn't just jump the shark. It landed on the shark's head, smashed its brains out, skull-fncked the corpse, impregnating it with a half-shark hybrid that spontaneously birthed, grew up, and jumped a completely different shark.

[TheSurvivor]

At the risk of being flammed I do believe I'm the only Star Wars fan who liked every one six main movies. Like really, my favourite is the Phantom Menace. Due to this and many other examples in my life my friends see me as someone with an inhuman ability to look beyond flaws. I don't know, I just think there's too much criticism in the world.