[McLovin]

Harry Plinkett said it best:

The original trilogy used special effects to tell a story.
The prequels used a story to tell the special effects.

[Beezulbubba]

[Tsundoku]

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This means that they have a logistical train that routinely delivers massive amounts of material across the galaxy, such that it draws little real attention. This cannot be cheap--the cost of transport alone would be immense. But they are somehow buying weapons on the cheap? That makes no sense. They'd make sure that these things were very accurate, and consistent, before the purchase of every lot. Their quartermaster corps would see to that, and they must be sufficiently competent to do so because they were able to build a moon in secret. That's no mean task. So their weapons must be accurate.

As a member of RAAOC (Royal Australian Army Ordnance Corps), which is the Quartermasters and Clerks, I give you the ultimate refutation of this part of the argument - Lowest Bidder. Trust me on this one.

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This leaves the final movie, Return of the Jedi. Again, we see nothing but extreme competency and accuracy on the part of the stormtroopers in battle.

During the battle, we never see the results of their pot-shots against rebels or Ewoks, but we do see them laying down a consistent volley of fire, with disciplined shots, and constant ducking back to cover. One could argue this would mean inaccurate shots, but given the first movie's opening sequence, that is hard to believe. They were using the sights to aim, instead of firing from the hip, during this fight and on the ship combat, they did not bother aiming carefully. It's hard to believe they lose any accuracy at all when using a more carefully aimed approach.

So what direct evidence do we have of their shooting? When Han and Leia are attempting to break into the bunker, two successive pot-shots hit a child-sized object behind partial cover, instant disabling the droid, and inflicting a potentially serious wound on Leia. Again, these were shots taken under hasty aim against targets behind cover, while shots were going towards them. This is not an easy thing--ask an infantryman if you disbelieve me.

The evidence is clear--Stormtroopers are quite accurate and effective soldiers, with top of the line equipment. Claiming otherwise is slander.

They were beaten. By EWOKS.

Your argument is invalid.

This post has been edited by Sombra: 26 April 2011 - 02:40 AM

[Aptorian]

Yeah and the russian army got their asses handed to them by cave dwellers. What is your point?

[Tsundoku]

 Battle Plaptypus, on 26 April 2011 - 05:26 AM, said:

Yeah and the russian army got their asses handed to them by cave dwellers. What is your point?

Were these cave dwellers wielding sticks, or Stinger missiles?

[Traveller]

The Stormtroopers were notoriously bad shots. That scene in Empire when they are running to the ship in cloud city is just laughable - it's a straight corridor, no obstacles, about 5 people/droids running away; and the shots from the troopers are all over the place. No one even hits artoo, and he's not exactly being swift and evasive. <br><br>And when artoo fires a bit of smoke, they all stop and flail about instead of moving forwards about two steps to get clear. <br><br>Elite force indeed.<br><br>I think if they'd had a few more convincing successes early on, they would have been more believable as a competant force. Killing a bunch of Jawas can't have been tricky, but they still managed to leave a load of blaster marks all over the place. (Ben thinks this is because they are trying to look like a tusken raider attack - from later evidence we know that they weren't.. they are just shit.)

This post has been edited by Traveller: 26 April 2011 - 07:57 AM

[Garak]

It gets funny when players think this at rpg sessions. They soon learned to fear the white armor.