[Path-Shaper]

Never mind, it magically restored itself

[Path-Shaper]

Thyr has read his results, so I'm guessing he's trying to figure out how to play it.

[Path-Shaper]

Not bad thinking by Thyr

Thyrllan, on 21 October 2010 - 04:16 PM, said:

Lovely, we're already down two. Likely that we'll lose another tonight.

There's no good way for me to go after Liosan yet. On the positive side, I know who 3/4 of my team is, so it reduces the chance I'll NK someone on my team by accident.

Strategy for spoilers: Liosan can't convert anyone tonight, and may do me a favor by killing my enemies. I don't have a case against him yet. So, kill someone random tonight, put a Zinc on Merrid and a Brass on Liosan (assuming that'll work), then attempt to get him lynched tomorrow. I'd prefer to use the Brass & Zinc when the numbers were lower (10 or less) so that they'd count more, but I'm not sure if I'll have a team left by that point. And there's no point in hoarding Steel, NKs aren't as safe and useful in this game as they usually are. I'd Guard Liosan, but don't know if it's allowed to put two metals on one person, or if it'd even work against him. Besides, maybe he'll take out an enemy. Definitely saving my Tin in case Liosan survives until Day 4.

Provisional:

Burn Iron
Burn Copper
Zinc: Merrid
Brass: Liosan
Steel: Tiamatha (random)

Zinc makes your vote count double, not someone else's. You can use Brass on Liosan. You can guard him too if you like.

[Path-Shaper]

Good move by Kurt there, there's only a 1 in 12 shot of hitting his own guy once he eliminates the ones he knows. Not a terrible strategy to take a calculated risk and try to regain some numerical advantage.

There is definitely risk in letting Liosan live past tomorrow, however, because he'll be able to recruit and once the SI replicates, it can be extremely difficult to lock them down.

-pb

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 21 October 2010 - 04:36 PM

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Venge is back browsing the main thread unalted and unanon... seriously, this temper tantrum is getting old.

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Tiamatha, on 21 October 2010 - 05:59 PM, said:

well galain made a case b4 about korv mentioning kendra, (in a way that suggested he knew what it was, whilest asking for book clarification...hes on my team, otherwise i would jump on that lol) so i can assume korv is not on my team

possibly my kendra counterpart, or maybe a mistborn

im guessing from my wikki search on the book that a kendra cant attack a kendra, so i doubt ill find out till after the game ends

Very slight spoilers but Kandra can't attack anyone, they have a code that they can't kill, whoever is contracting them has to provide the corpse.

[Path-Shaper]

Ment seems a little uneasy, but he has a lot more to worry about than the 'jester' comment...

Shadow, on 21 October 2010 - 06:36 PM, said:

meh, happens.

if they lynch me for the jester thing, considering we've just finished a game with *gasp* jesters, i'll be amused to no end.

From the main thread, he has immediately put himself in trouble with Thyr's faction, who should know Shadow is not among them. It could entice Thyr to change kill targets from the harmless Tiamatha to Shadow, both in House V.

Shadow, on 21 October 2010 - 06:33 PM, said:

as for who I wanna vote for.... i'll need to take a quick look-see, but I don't recall hearing anything constructive out of THyrlahn yet, so that may be where i'll look...

Oh, and he just dropped the vote. He's lucky in that that faction can't really 'harm' him with its coinshot and pewterarm taken out. We'll see if Thyr waits for his crew to come to his rescue or if he panics and reveals the info he has.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 21 October 2010 - 06:43 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Thyr's minions will have to be very careful, if they kick up too much of a fuss the other mistborn might figure out who he is and take him out at night. Faction infighting could very easily kill the one person who knows the SI's identity before he has a chance to reveal it.

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Quoted for future posterity because I suspect this will be hilarious.

Liosan, on 21 October 2010 - 07:41 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 21 October 2010 - 07:33 PM, said:

I have a developing theory as to who the Inquisitor is, but you're going to be shocked to learn that I'm not my own top suspect.

Well, that's tantalising. XD

[Path-Shaper]

Tapper thinks that the sudden attention to Thyr could be troublesome to defend... this is why you should always strike first. Put a case out there long before your leader shows up. Waiting around is just asking for this to happen.

Tulas Shorn, on 21 October 2010 - 07:19 PM, said:

Now I know why I could not remember Thyrllan. Le sigh. How much more of a sitting duck does he want to make of himself? Now he cannot even ramp up his activity without seeming suspicious, and I don't want to do a lot of defending right now when the thread is so slow.

[HoosierDaddy]

Yeah, so I fucked up the vote-count instant lynch thing last night. I was fucking busy as hell with provs coming in left and right along with the votes. Sorry it has had an effect on game-play. Also, Venge didn't delete the post that Silencer saw, I did. After having asked him to get in alt like 3 times, I just deleted it. Forgot about the Forgotten Warren. My bad.

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That's not your fault, that's just players expecting a certain type of result. It is pretty clear that he was lynched from that vote count, it was just the next post where you "did it," and Ment has gotten called out for "overreacting" to it. It's honestly stupid for players to suddenly get paranoid over it. Like, if Ment was really a jester, there's no way in hell that he would mention it. I've preached that plenty of times... the first guy to talk about a hidden mechanic is not ever going to have that mechanic. There's too much precedent for that person getting killed off to 'test' the poorly-thought out theory.

You aren't affecting the play.

-pb

[Fener]

Man, targeted by two of the four power players ...

Compared to the last game I played where no one targeted me for anything.

This alt really is a handicap ...

[Path-Shaper]

Sorry, Breadmaster, but thanks for playing at least. You were too clever for your own good, perhaps... that infernal alt!

- pb

[Path-Shaper]

Shin is 2/2 on his guesses here... although some people are starting to expose themselves by picking on the faction leaders.

Telas, on 22 October 2010 - 01:23 AM, said:

Just some thoughts:

I think ruse is dibs.

And I'm almost positive Shadow isn't on my team.

That is all. Amazing, huh?

Path-Shaper, on 22 October 2010 - 03:39 AM, said:

Shin, you're a bonafide genius!... if you're right. =)

-pb

Ment's going to take no action tonight, which seems like a bit of a waste. You've got 2 pieces left, why not use them up as fast as possible to gain info about the teams? Still, we'll see how it plays out.

Shadow, on 22 October 2010 - 01:29 AM, said:

provisional no action for Night 2.

Kurt is frustrated by his powerful knowledge. He's wrong on Emur, however, which gives HMQB a little breathing room right now, considering how he's played the noob card heavily.

Thyrllan, on 22 October 2010 - 02:25 AM, said:

There's nothing worse than being right, and knowing no one's going to believe you. And if I show any more assurance, I'm outed as Mistborn. I also suspect Emur is my fourth team-mate.

Anyways, updating the Provisional:

Burn Iron
Burn Copper
Zinc: Self (I think I'll need it tomorrow)
Brass: Liosan if he doesn't get lynched, no one otherwise
Steel: Tiamatha

Gwynn's not doing much right now.

Gamelon, on 22 October 2010 - 03:21 AM, said:

Provisional to burn iron and copper. Likely to be updated in the morning or later tonight.

[Path-Shaper]

Silencer's a bit angry, but he doesn't realize Thyr's just trying to cobble a case together.

Liosan, on 22 October 2010 - 04:27 AM, said:

Can I get this post enshrined in Spoiler Heaven?

Thyrllan, on 21 October 2010 - 09:44 PM, said:

Shadow, on 21 October 2010 - 09:24 PM, said:

meh, fair enough. If I don't hear it, though, the vote is back.

remove vote

vote Telas

working my up up the low-poster list...

I will say who it is, actually - it's Liosan. He's spent the entire game subtly herding everyone. Not just heavily posting, but trying to run the crowd. But in the process, he comes across as sort of ... almost an outsider.

And his reactions to the lynch and the NKs felt a little too correct. As in, he said the right things, but he really said all the right things, a little too well crafted. Like someone speaking a second language with perfect grammar and no accent.

Like I said, very gut-feeling. I'll have to do a full, quote-based case when I have the chance to sit down in front of my own computer for a while.

This was stronger than your actual quote-case, so I'm happy you went to the effort of the latter. Vague hints like this often get folk lynched.

As for content here...aw man, when the game is over, I'm going to bawww all over this. Like the...third? game in a row I've been called on for playing TOO WELL. Ugh. XD

As for subtly herding...I think it was Shadow who said I must be doing it damn well! Aside from Mockra - and let's face it, that wasn't herding, that was a one-sided pissing contest with the man - I have hardly been directing the game. At least, in my own opinion. Obviously yours differs.


Apparently, I am ONCE AGAIN too goddamn smooth for my own good!

FRIGGING HELL it pisses me off when the case against me is that I am playing really good. SCREW YOU THYR!

How am I supposed to defend against being a GOOD PLAYER?

I got this a couple of games ago - think it was one of the altless ones. So ridiculous! I'm glad a couple of others have seen this. Still, have to come up with something else to offer up alternatives.


Jesus Christ.

FUCK.

- Angry Silencer.

[Path-Shaper]

Off to bed, I think we have no outstanding questions for ya, alt

-pb

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Emurlahn, on 22 October 2010 - 10:40 AM, said:

Hey are we allowed to do fake mistborn reveals?

You can fake being a mistborn, a time-travelling character from the main arc or even santa claus.

Liosan, on 22 October 2010 - 08:58 AM, said:

Alright, I have 'net access here, but tomorrow I'm going further afield, so I may drop out. Just letting you know.

Provisionally:

Use Steel (steel spike) on Merrid, Use Bronze on Telas (unless he is lynched, in which case use it on Thyrllan), and Use the double-voting power on myself (can't remember which element it is, and don't have the battery life left to check, sorry...)

Noted

Tiamatha, on 22 October 2010 - 07:01 AM, said:

what does wiform mean? people keep saying it

also hoping the boss turns up, could do with some directions here

i wonder....does he send me a message directly, or as is more likely, does he give u a name, and then you tell me? that way you actually keep my identity secret from galain, would, make sense, especially if its a one time ability.

everyones masked....maybe galain doesnt know his full team....

WIFOM is short for wine in front of me. To lazy to link in a good explanation (google is your friend), but basically it's from a dialogue in The Princess Bride where a man forces his adversary to choose between two cups of wine, one of which is poisoned. The adversary then debates whether the wine would be in the near cup or the far cup based on what he knows about the man, and what the man knows about him.

In the mafia sense it refers to any situation someone where multiple explanations or actions are possible, but the the most obvious should be discounted because everyone knows it is the most obvious and would therefore not be stupid enough to choose it. This quickly degenerates into a morass of circular logic as the obvious choice may actually have been chosen because everyone would discount it. Which is why it is best to avoid situations where it arises and why people avoid analysing who gets killed at night.

I hope that helps.

Ruse, on 22 October 2010 - 07:43 AM, said:

setting liosan up as a mistborn by not so subtle sympage. if he is on my faction then it will be a bollix, but i know he isnt my mistborn so even then it will remove some heat away from galain who is playing wonderfully btw.

also think thyr or telas could be mistborn and noble as that looked like a pretty big fuckup by them two jumping on together swiftly followed by a very weak distance attempt by telas.

Ruse, on 22 October 2010 - 11:06 AM, said:

this is certainly another let them hang themselves case. heres hoping emur is in an opposing faction as we are doing rather well at present

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Korabas, on 22 October 2010 - 11:54 AM, said:

Provisional: Find Thyrllan.

Something about him seems... alarming. I can't place it, really. A bit embarrassing to put an action based on a gut feeling, but there you go.

Noted






Wow the faction leaders have all been pulling tons of NAs this game.

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Tiamatha, on 22 October 2010 - 12:14 PM, said:

i recognise it from a parody american dad did lol

thanks

No problem

Ruse, on 22 October 2010 - 12:06 PM, said:

i like merc games. it adds an element of backstabbing which is missing in our normal games (though without a cf this used to be different). first killer game i played i was paired with hetan and lynched her to win an agreed course of action between the two of us.


the powers are fairly complex, but a sensible and measured approach is all hats needed. i wouldnt like to think there are 3 fm's running around, but if there are i assume its one for each faction and not a seperate faction.

what tmdi is this? 3 factions and a cult seems like a 6 or so.

I'm not sure, we never did decide on a definite number. Somewhere between 6 and 8.

Ruse, on 22 October 2010 - 12:10 PM, said:

as a sort of cavaet against any nk coming my way. i am sort of leavign myself as a target, but its totally intentional. faction games you should play to survive, but also to point heat away from your leader. creating a psuedo link with a few players will leave them in serious water if i die and come back venture as they will be seen as the strong factions leaders. using a vig now would be a waste a there are probably bp's still about and you cant be too certain of alignmment either.

korabas made a ew moves against galain, but taking out someone for that paints a big bullseye on your leaders ass, so its a definite no go.