[Rashan]

Yay, finally night is over.

With the number of town going down, a scum death is not suprising, but still good news.

Too much turkey and the associated beverages make for a lack of intelligent thoughts, but I'll be off and on for a bit and around most of tomorrow (depending on the hangover).

[Path-Shaper]

The day has started, but due to Turkey day, the clock is gonna be restarted around midnight Monday.

it is Day 4

10 people are still alive (Alkend, Ampelas, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Eloth, Kalse, Korvalain, Osseric, Rashan, Tellan)

takes 6 people to lynch or 5 to go to night
-ment

[Tapper]

Guys, web at work is down, which is a bitch and a hindrance for my access.

[Korvalain]

No worries tapper, i doubt any1 is rushing 2 post anything...

[Tellan]

What the hell, where is everybody?

[Tapper]

Tellan, on 11 October 2010 - 11:40 AM, said:

What the hell, where is everybody?

Here, here, pick meeeeeee, pick meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[Tellan]

Tapper, on 11 October 2010 - 12:28 PM, said:

Tellan, on 11 October 2010 - 11:40 AM, said:

What the hell, where is everybody?

Here, here, pick meeeeeee, pick meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

all right we will take tapper on our team, if you guys take the fat kid in the wheel chair.

GAME ON!!!!

[Tellan]

I SAID GAME ON!!!!!!!!

[Barghast]

I'm back after the weekend and it looks like things were slowwwwwwwwwwww, although having another Xeno die is good news.

There's a reasonable chance that at least one of the deaths last night was a FM swap. Based on Lio's tongue-in-cheek comment about being sure to die, I'd guess it was him, although that means someone else killed off Karat.

I'll be able to talk more when I get to work.

[Alkend]

And now I don't have any time ... I'll be back later.

I really doubt Liosan was an FM, that comment of his would be waaaayy too stupidly obvious.

[Barghast]

Doesn't matter if it was obvious or not... he's "dead" now and thus, it's pretty much impossible to confirm. I'd consider it a cheeky thing to say and do before bolting the body.

[Ampelas]

Slow weekend was slow I see. Makes sense it being night the whole time.

I agree that one of the kills tonight was probably an FM.

So far Sukhul's train is the best clue we have. We should look for any early resistance to it. If he was Eldar his teammates are unlikely to have tried to stall his lynch.

[Barghast]

I am pretty sure there was like, zero resistance to Sukul's train.

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 07 October 2010 - 10:20 PM, said:

Well, Someone was nice to me last night. Piece of candy!!

I received a disk from someone ( I am assuming it was another player) The Disk said that it has been determined that Sukul is Xeno. But that they couldn't determine anything else. The note wasn't signed. but there were spatters of blood and gore noticable on the disk. I am assuming that Tulas or D'riss had an ability that activated upon their death. Why they chose me... I am not sure as I have been very inactive this game unfortunately. So take it with a grain of salt. As he definately doesn't seem to be trying to get a lynch I wouldn't place him in a jester role and therefore

Vote Sukul

Well here we go with the original post. We know now that Osseric was telling the truth about Sukul's CF, but we don't know if the circumstances were a lie (Eldar ploy to get lynched) or truthful (he was given a disc, gives no info about Osseric's faction).

So all we have at this point is that Osseric and Sukul are both Eldar, or, Osseric is ? and Sukul is Eldar/Chaos/Tyranid/Necron.

[Barghast]

Eloth, on 08 October 2010 - 01:19 AM, said:

so have we lost 4 town yet?

This is an odd comment to make... asking if we've lost 4 town "yet?" As if that is some kind of condition for something. Of course, it's also easily verifiable by counting the deaths, so it could just seem lazy.

[Barghast]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 08 October 2010 - 05:05 AM, said:

Osseric, on 07 October 2010 - 10:20 PM, said:

Well, Someone was nice to me last night. Piece of candy!!

I received a disk from someone ( I am assuming it was another player) The Disk said that it has been determined that Sukul is Xeno. But that they couldn't determine anything else. The note wasn't signed. but there were spatters of blood and gore noticable on the disk. I am assuming that Tulas or D'riss had an ability that activated upon their death. Why they chose me... I am not sure as I have been very inactive this game unfortunately. So take it with a grain of salt. As he definately doesn't seem to be trying to get a lynch I wouldn't place him in a jester role and therefore

Vote Sukul

I totally see you in the Family Guy episode going "Oooo piece of candy!"

That said, this is odd to say the least. Assuming that some other player chose to give this "information" to you, who's to say that they couldn't have chosen what it would tell you? It is also odd, as you note, that you were the one chosen to recieve it. Also odd that no one who was online reacted to this information, just saying.

As to the talk of an FM switching bodies, this is interesting. The chaos victory condition states that they win when the number of possessions equals 5, or when they outnumber non-chaos players. Since no one died night 1, this means the FM could not have switched then. I haven't played an actual FM game in a long time, so when the FM switches bodies, the host it leaves always comes up as inno right? If so, I'd have to believe that one of them actually was the FM. It makes sense for it to be the chaos faction too, since the daemaons use humans like shells.

And I'll leave you with something that actual does bother me, Korv's text speak. Please, type it out, we're all mostly civilized here. I suppose it is understandable from the phone, but damn.

Sukul responds... and his defense is fairly weak. He could realize he's doomed considering how the game has gone thus far (no Xeno CFs). He does have a point that most of the people that were around didn't even talk about it... Alkend, Tellen, Korv, Eloth. That's like ignoring the elephant in the room.

He also talks about FMs. He makes kind of a big point to indicate that the FMs are probably not "winning" given the low number of NKs... I'd say that puts it less likely that he's Chaos since he discussed the faction. It's not 100% but I'd guess it's more likely that he is Tyranid, Eldar, or Necron.

[Barghast]

Ampelas, on 08 October 2010 - 07:15 AM, said:

One of D'riss or Tulas Shorn could be the FM. Normally FM work with a day to prepare and then the switch on the second day. Which would mean that last night was the first night an FM could switch. I think it is more likely to be D'riss. He actually brought up that one of tonight's death would probably be caused by an FM switching. Possibly as a preemptive defense against the fact that he was going to die. If it isnt D'riss, then Tulas Shorn should be easy to spot in a different alt.

Sukhul, when an FM switches his original alt receives the CF of the alt he switched into. indicating that if either of the two are FMs they switched into an alt that belonged to town.

Osseric's reveal would appear to be pointless if it were a lie. There is the possibility that he is telling the truth, but has been misinformed, which is what Sukhul's defense seems to boil down to. Considering the number of town down at the moment if Sukhul was revealed through some sort of defensive ability held by Tulas Shorn or D'riss he would be far and away the best choice for a lynch.

Ampelas is the first to lend his weight to a vote on Sukul, not counting Osseric. He points out, correctly, that Osseric's reveal would be pointless if it were a lie, although he neglects to mention that it would be a good play if the Eldar had made the decision to try and get lynched. I would probably say it's unlikely that the Eldar made a play to get lynched, however. We were at 13 people yesterday with no Xeno CFs. That means the Eldar, if they started with 3 (and referring to my earlier post, I think it VERY likely they had more than 2, and doubt any scum faction had 4 or more, hence 3 is a good number), controlled almost 1/4 of the Vote. I think it would be a smarter play at that point to continue to avoid suspicion and try to win based on numbers. Thus, I believe it highly unlikely that Osseric is an Eldar.

Korvalain, on 08 October 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

Sorry for the txt speak, but im on a phone so it comes auto,

been thinkin, maybe the whole thing with sukul is an eldar ploy, but as no1 is posting it mite b the only xeno feed we have

if we do lynch sukul and he turns out eldar we can at least assume that osseric probz is too, especially with the way the votes swung 2 him on day 1

Korv's txtsp34k is definitely annoying and seems both forced and fake. I could still see him wanting to be lynched, especially now if he's worried about an Eldar partner getting lynched. If Sukul is Eldar, then it's almost guaranteed that a lynch on him will succeed based on the reveal. And if that's the case, I'd say the Eldar would be well served trying to get themselves lynched at that point (once the original plan to stay alive isn't possible and you already are guaranteed one lynch out of 2 required). Of course, that's a lot of straw grasping and we were painfully wrong on Meanas so we don't really learn anything from this post.

Liosan, on 08 October 2010 - 02:32 PM, said:

Osseric, on 07 October 2010 - 10:20 PM, said:

Well, Someone was nice to me last night. Piece of candy!!

I received a disk from someone ( I am assuming it was another player) The Disk said that it has been determined that Sukul is Xeno. But that they couldn't determine anything else. The note wasn't signed. but there were spatters of blood and gore noticable on the disk. I am assuming that Tulas or D'riss had an ability that activated upon their death. Why they chose me... I am not sure as I have been very inactive this game unfortunately. So take it with a grain of salt. As he definately doesn't seem to be trying to get a lynch I wouldn't place him in a jester role and therefore

Vote Sukul

I am going to treat this like a finder reveal. I have some reservations about it. But we need a Xeno death.


Vote Sukul

We know Liosan was either Human or Chaos (that swapped into a Human). If he is human, this vote makes perfect sense. If he is Chaos, he will not want to lynch his ally (assuming Chaos know each other). All this post really does is tell us that Liosan and Sukul are not on the same faction.

Korvalain, on 08 October 2010 - 03:26 PM, said:

vote sukul

Korv just randomly adds his vote, although he had supported the idea before. He could have not wanted to seem too eager to vote. In any event, no info.

Karatallid, on 08 October 2010 - 03:40 PM, said:

Ok, seems a bit weird to me now that weve only seen human casualties but i cant think of any reason the CF's might be wrong.

On Osserics reveal im inclined to believe him for now as it seems to be an easily testable claim, for now i dont think il put down a vote as im getting a bit concerned this might turn into a speed lynch as weve got maybe 30is hours left and 3/7 votes on Sukul already Im likely to put a vote down later but id rather see if we have any other reasonable options before i contribute to the speed lynch.

Karat we know was scum. I find it less likely that he is Eldar because, in a sense, Eldar never want to stop lynching. Every lynch helps the Eldar, both in terms of gaining majority and the secondary VC. Here, he delays the lynch somewhat. It's possible Karat was allied was Sukul, and if that is the case, that faction is down 2 players (and would indicate Tyranid or even Chaos--although again, I find Chaos to be unlikely).

[Barghast]

Also, if both Karat and Sukul were Chaos, that faction is potentially now eliminated, but I just find that way too unlikely to even consider.

Ok, more reading...

[Barghast]

Barghast, on 08 October 2010 - 03:56 PM, said:

I think some of us may feel a little despondent since our chances of winning seem really bleak now. The Rules seem pretty clear that all humans will CF as "Human," and everyone else will CF as "Xeno" and under some circumstances, more info will be given about the Xeno.

Really, you can treat Osseric's reveal as only slightly better than a random guess at this point... 5 Humans down is a huge hit, there have to be a good proliferation of scum. I have never thought Osseric was likely of being town, and his reveal certainly doesn't change that opinion. The only question would be why he is trying to remove Sukul if he is a Xeno.

He could be trying to look "more inno" with the reveal.
He could be unable to kill/recruit/possess/??? Sukul, or just wants to speed up the clock.
He could be behind and is looking for a way to get up on the competition (true if he's town, too).

Now I show up mostly trying to point out that Osseric could have any number of different motives for a fake reveal...

Barghast, on 08 October 2010 - 04:00 PM, said:

And I believe we have ~27 hours left. I wouldn't necessarily call it a "speed lynch" at this point, we've already used 9 hours. Most people have probably had a chance to review the game. Not sure what other big options we're going to get today... with a reveal like that, it's pretty much one of: 1) Lynch Sukul; 2) Lynch Osseric; 3) Lynch me/GL/Someone-Else-Who-Has-Gotten-Attention.

I doubt anyone else will reveal anything of use today unless Sukul is a cult leader and one of his recruits is trying to save him, etc.

And I also say that Sukul could be the Tyranid leader which could explain several people not posting with the original case, although if the cult felt it needed to try and save him, it would probably have offered another case. In any event, all I can glean is that Sukul is probably not the cult leader.... or maybe he was and any cult members figured better to let him die than risk anyone else getting outed. So no real information, basically.

Galayn Lord, on 08 October 2010 - 04:14 PM, said:

Well I'm pleasantly surprised I am not posting in Spoiler Heaven after last night. That Meanas result is against all expectations though. Human? Really? It was the strangest play I've seen for a while for a member of the town. I"m confused enough in fact to wonder, anyone who knows Warhammer 40k could comment on an Eldar appearing as human? As what would be truely nasty would be an Eldar whose got an ability who can CF human.... I don't know enough to say either way, I'd hope that wouldn't be the case though, maybe somone who knows the setting could comment a litte more.

So onto today, its to early for anyone to be making up stories of Osserics you would think, so I am happy to believe at this point its geniune and its a Finder reveal.
Since we got lots of time (is there a weekend break?) there's no point rushing a lynch as there's some people who haven't checked in yet from yesterday and they may have some infomation they can bring to the table. So I guess its a waiting game at this point for everyone to show up.

GL shows up and hints that Meanas could have been Eldar appearing as Human but I find that explanation to be ridiculous based on the setup rules. I even clarify that later. GL also adds support to the theory that Osseric has no reason to make up the story... he doesn't bother voting so he could be stalling the lynch a bit although I think it's pretty clear nobody is going to offer a counter case.

[Barghast]

Now we get the rest of the votes.

Alkend, on 08 October 2010 - 05:27 PM, said:

All right, screw it. None of you are paying attention to Barghast's earlier mis-steps (which I'll elaborate in a proper case upon if I survive to see another Day), and he's saturating the forum with info-dumps in an attempt to look helpful and distract from earlier Days.

So, let's test out this Osseric business, as it's the best new thing we've got:


Remove Vote

Vote Sukhul Ankadu

Alkend figures I'm not getting lynched so he just hops over to Sukul. Nothing really suspicious about that other than he didn't vote off of me until it was clear Sukul would be lynched. Could indicate a partnership, but it's very weak esp. because his case was on me before Osseric's was on Sukul.

Barghast, on 08 October 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

Well, I think I've been pretty helpful for several days... I was the only person to really put up comprehensive numbers early on and here I am, doing it again, Alkend, but you're entitled to your opinions.

I don't trust Osseric, but there's no particular reason to doubt the reveal and the statistics are on our side. And I agree that we should probably lynch before any break to have some info to mull over rather.

Vote Sukul Ankhadu

I vote Sukul too, just to get it going before the weekend.

Eloth, on 08 October 2010 - 06:47 PM, said:

Damn, this seems like a bad time for someones word against someone else's, but im going have to
Vote Sukul Ankhadu

First off it seems pretty hard to come up with a thing like that, secondly he already has votes and he hasn't defended himself as of yet.

Eloth does the same thing, although he was one person to ignore the case earlier.

Karatallid, on 08 October 2010 - 09:27 PM, said:

dont know but it was worth a try to get some people on and talking about other stuff. Now coz my mouth is hurting again and im gonna come off now.

Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Because if he is Xeno then good, if he's no then Osseric is definitely suspicious

Karat shows back up and hammers.