[Korvalain]

why thank you olar :: bows:: but u must remember that this is all conjecture at this point

[Barghast]

Karatallid, on 04 October 2010 - 03:25 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 04 October 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

I'm back - I assumed it was a vig that blew his wad all over Sil. I thought we were passed the shoot early days, but I guess not.

Also, 3 votes in 10 minutes is a bit weak. What are the odds that team Jester knows each other, knows I am not in fact on their team, and so arent afraid to lynch me. Guessing 2 of the 3 votes on me are by that team, so I wont be voting any of those 3.

I would give about 80 percent odds that Tellan is a jester. 70 percent on Korv and 30 on Meanas (based on the fact that he assumed I might be a jester, yet still put on his vote)

This is me getting serious, as that Silanah kill was fucking stupid, and I dont want to get speed lynched until at least everyone has had the opportunity to post.

Yeah i agree the quick succession of votes is a bit worrying but were at the start of the game so a flurry of 3 votes is not really that much and is probably just innos get carried away.
Im not sure about your ranking there, to me the fact that meanas mnentioned a possibility of you being the jester makes me more suspicious of him not less.

Im also slightly worried about the fact that youve said that you wont vote for any of the 3 who voted for you as it seems to be a weird conclusion to think that the jesters would all jump on the first possible lynch.

Catching up... that vig? was wayyyy early, but I agree with Karat's post here.

[Barghast]

Olar Ethil, on 04 October 2010 - 07:00 PM, said:

Dave Chapelle is an american comic of the african american persuasion. He told a joke in which he referenced a sunny delight commercial (an orange juice type drink) and said that the black kid in the commercial's face lit up when the white child came to the "purple drank" option, while the others wanted the sunny D option.

Also, its obvious we are all on the same team, and that you are not on our team, that means you are not a town player, meaning you are in a seperate faction, so must in fact be a proser.

Try,try and try again.

I'm pretty sure Purple Drank was around before Chapelle.

[Barghast]

Kay I think Osseric's guesses on who killed Silanah are shots in the dark. There have been countless examples of people just lurking and killing and someone else taking the blame for it for "being around."

If anything, it's more beneficial to guess which faction killed him...

[Korvalain]

well which faction has tha ability to day kill?

[Barghast]

Humans - dur, town
Eldar - part jester, part scum
Chaos - cult? FM? possession is the keyword here
Tyranids - Either generic scum or a cult is my guess... based on the text "create a beacon to attract the Hive Fleet," and they have no special VC
Necrons - pure killers, must kill everyone

My best guess is that Silanah was killed because he acted erratically enough to warrant Day 1 votes. The number reason someone does that is, they want to be lynched. So someone may have guessed that Silanah was Jester and blew their load on him.

Eldar are probably the most dangerous faction right now because they only really care about being killed (lynches are no big deal). Their only weakness is being killed off the old fashioned way, so really, anybody that was worried Silanah was an Eldar may have killed him off. Necrons are probably the "best" guess because of their perceived killing prowess, and they are, in my estimation, the counter faction to the Eldar.

[Barghast]

We need to realize that we're going to see a lot of mechanics in play here... FM is almost a given. Ment had it in Vampire: The Masquerade, and the rules indicate a lack of player CF. Cult was in that game too and there is plenty of indication that is in this game, too.

[Korvalain]

well if someone killed him cos the thought he was eldar they were wrong, sillanah was a marine

What suspicious things did sillanah do?

well that limerick wasnt really called for, and he did the star wars sign in like olar "red 1 standing by' but that could easily be a blue harvest joke

other than that he didnt have chance to do much

[Alkend]

Barghast, on 04 October 2010 - 07:43 PM, said:

My best guess is that Silanah was killed because he acted erratically enough to warrant Day 1 votes. The number reason someone does that is, they want to be lynched. So someone may have guessed that Silanah was Jester and blew their load on him.

My tenuous theory on Silanah is that he was killed for possibly signalling - I know when I see any sort of rhymes or poems or meter in Mafia, my first thought is usually "code."

Or maybe someone had a Day One use-it-or-lose-it Vig, and picked a random target.

[Korvalain]

Path-Shaper, on 04 October 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67897
Confusion about the chain of command has ensued throughout the ranks of the relief force. Several elements of the marine squads were out of hand. Order has been restored through the summary execution of a marine according to the standard protocol of the Imperial Guard, order and discipline has been maintained. I sent in a squad of the Imperial Guard to retrieve the body. Tissue samples have been analysed by trusted Apothecaries of the garrisson. The Marine has been confirmed to be standard Raven Guard gene stock.

Silanah is dead. He was a Space Marine


For the Emperor!

i think he was killed by the imperium not by any of the xenos

the narration certainly suggests to me that it was friendly fire that took care of sillanah,

[Karatallid]

Path-Shaper, on 04 October 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67897
Confusion about the chain of command has ensued throughout the ranks of the relief force. Several elements of the marine squads were out of hand. Order has been restored through the summary execution of a marine according to the standard protocol of the Imperial Guard, order and discipline has been maintained. I sent in a squad of the Imperial Guard to retrieve the body. Tissue samples have been analysed by trusted Apothecaries of the garrisson. The Marine has been confirmed to be standard Raven Guard gene stock.

Silanah is dead. He was a Space Marine


For the Emperor!

Barghast, on 04 October 2010 - 07:35 PM, said:

Kay I think Osseric's guesses on who killed Silanah are shots in the dark. There have been countless examples of people just lurking and killing and someone else taking the blame for it for "being around."

If anything, it's more beneficial to guess which faction killed him...

Well the PS post seems to suggest that it was an imperium kill, rather than any of the other factions. So i think it was probably a twitchy inno who wanted to use his vig while he could :s

[Karatallid]

Damn beaten to it by Korv

[Korvalain]

the joy of being on night shift with nothing else to do, ill beat everyone to the post for the next 40 min, then ill be forced to use my fone to go online so u probz wont hear much from me for a while

[Path-Shaper]

Kay guys and girls, I'm out for the night.

- T.

[Barghast]

Good catch, forgot scenes would prob have clues. Anywho, early poor play by the town as usual. This game is supposedly balanced so when you go and blow your vig on a random hunch, you waste our abilities and you kill our members.

[Ampelas]

Caught up, but a bit swamped at work - checking in quick, should have more time to play properly this evening.

Personally I think Necron is most likely to be cult - they have to eliminate EVERYONE who isn't in their faction. Much easier to achieve a goal like that if you can recruit along the way. Chaos are good candidates too, not sure what a possession would entail, but it could be something culty. We've seen competing cults before, that's a possibility too.

Silanah's death is just odd, but I would think mods would make modkills clear. I agree the scene does look like it was a vig, but there isn't a disclaimer about how true to the game the scenes will be, so I don't think we should be basing assumptions of scene info.

From the wording of the Eldar victory condition it sounds like there must be at least three of them. Are we going to get the type of xeno in the CF? It would be good to know if we have lynched one, since at that point we would have to start playing a lot more carefully.

[Korvalain]

:: narrows eyes at barghast ::

to much use of the word our... i think ur a xeno....

[Kalse]

OK, I'm now around. First off, I see there's been a kill already? Certainly sounded like a Commissar taking care of an unruly unit - though how the hell a Commissar would survive shooting a Space Marine, I don't know, lol. That being said, the Ordo Malleus report says 'I sent in...' - 'I'. That means the Vindicare Assassin who is making the observations of this planet. So he didn't kill the player, just retrieved the body.

Also, the Eldar as Jesters thing is a bit of a problem, but I don't think we should worry about it too much on day one. Unless they only have a couple of members, it should be hard to consistently lynch them, while none of them get killed via actions.

Chaos is going to be quite hard to stomp out. They win at faction size draw, or when they have made five recruits. WCS is a day and night recruit ability, in which case it's day 3 victory for them. Note. Performed possessions. That means it doesn't matter if their recruits die. :S Potentially therefore they only recruit on day OR night - but given we've already had a day kill, this feels like it could be a very fast game.

Tyranids have an interesting win condition. It implies recruitment (50% +1) - that could be hard to achieve if it's just survival. Though Tyranids are tough bastards, they could have significant starting numbers or protections.

Necrons have basically the same objective as the Imperium. Elimination. How they go about that, of course, could be quite different, but generally speaking the Necrons are a race of pure destruction, so I doubt they have much in the way of recruiting or other abilities. Lots of kills and/or BP's though (as they are undead and can rebuild themselves when destroyed).

Based on this, the top threats to me are the Eldar, because we can't just lynch them (it seems), and the Chaos. Both of them have dual achievable conditions, which is going to make them hard to stamp out. Humans are feeling really outmatched, I think. XD


EDIT: To try and add line breaks...

This post has been edited by Kalse: 04 October 2010 - 09:00 PM

[Kalse]

Ampelas, on 04 October 2010 - 08:53 PM, said:

Caught up, but a bit swamped at work - checking in quick, should have more time to play properly this evening.

Personally I think Necron is most likely to be cult - they have to eliminate EVERYONE who isn't in their faction.  Much easier to achieve a goal like that if you can recruit along the way.  Chaos are good candidates too, not sure what a possession would entail, but it could be something culty.  We've seen competing cults before, that's a possibility too.

Silanah's death is just odd, but I would think mods would make modkills clear.  I agree the scene does look like it was a vig, but there isn't a disclaimer about how true to the game the scenes will be, so I don't think we should be basing assumptions of scene info.

From the wording of the Eldar victory condition it sounds like there must be at least three of them.  Are we going to get the type of xeno in the CF?  It would be good to know if we have lynched one, since at that point we would have to start playing a lot more carefully.

To quote the rules "If certain conditions are met" we will get the xeno race. Apologies for the lack of line breaks. Going to try and fix that now...

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Yeah, I was trying to figure out if that info actually was a clue. The rules state that morning scenes have no clues, but as this is not a morning scene...

Order and Discipline for the Imperial Guard are both provided by their commissars. But I never thought that space marines fall under their jurisdiction. So add that up to Ment's creative liberty. Definitely implies Imperium kill though.

edit: Kalse beat me to that thought.

This post has been edited by Sukul Ankhadu: 04 October 2010 - 08:59 PM