[Path-Shaper]

Meanas, on 07 October 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

Aye I've been told to only visit on alt.
Anyway, seeing this here is VERY informative. I've obviously badly failed on my first game, in a very, very embarrasing way. Should've checked the unwritten rules beforehand, and I got what I deserved.
I still have to say I'm not completely satisfied with the game, in particular players' attitudes. It's like this so OH SO SERIOUS BUISNESS. Why all the swearing and rage? I thought this would be more civilized.
In any case, I'll keep reading this in real time as much as possible. Re-reading old threads doesn't quite cut it.

It's a pity my first game was the war40k one, unlikely the next one will be as well.

Heya Gothos, drunk me disagrees on you failing.
I think you played well, and the downfall only came because of two things, both unwritten:
1) you can lurk, but you are never to actually say you'll lurk;
2) you defended yourself too vigorously early game, which made you seem as if you had something to hide.

One: never do that again, or at the least, never admit doing it

Two: this is a very fine line, and easy to get wrong. People who played 20-30 games still get it wrong (and that includes me), but here's the basics: people will jump on you if you take accusations too seriously, especially when they come from only one or two players (unless you can alt them as dibs, morghy or JA, time will tell you who they are).
Never defend against dkt unless people jump on the bandwagon (he'll skin you on anything and few of it is related to the actual game, it is a very special skill and he's king of it). Otherwise, just give people the finger. Defend against 2-3 people accusing you, but never per quote. Instead, post condescendingly and tell them they are small dicked brainless neanderthalers, without actually saying that... instead, make them read it between the lines.
Some will react better to it than others do, but believe me, it makes life in mafia easier.

You simply stepped in on an insanely difficult game (I'd say only dibs, morghy, d'rek, pb and myself are capable of concocting anything like this game, all of us with varying degrees of success) and did well, as far as I am concerned.
Since I can claim I know the bigger picture, I'll tell you I am 100% right, and fuck all who disagree.

Finally, there are several types of players.
Intuitive guys, like Morghy, dkt, Silencer (when scum) and dibs feel out the scum or heavy opposition and weed them out. They are far too often right.

PB, D'rek, Bubba and to some degree myself are analysts, we try and sort the game out to the way we'd run it if we're mods, and sort out people according to those roles. We're often wrong, but in the wrongness, there is always some right. I'd currently name D'rek as the best of us, together with PB. Gavin deserves a mention here as well, you'll never see as much content as in his (few) posts.

Vengy, Bent, Silencer (yeah, twice), are great scum. they know how to play people and make them believe.

The rest of us falls somewhere in between, and don't believe they are any less dangerous because they aren't named. Alt146, Gem, Grief, name anyone else... they're all frickin' dangerous in their own way, and can play more than one role.

And that's enough for now
But if you continue to play, and I hope you will, you'll learn to recognize who is who and who plays how, and will be someone to be reckoned with in no-time.

So, please stay around and play more, if you feel like it. Mafia is SRIUS BIZNIZZ (yeah, it is... and tempers flare because we all want to be competitive) but also a friendly bunch for the insiders. None of it is personal, except the feuds, and I dare say, the feuds are existing because of massive respect rather than hatred, never mind the language.

- Tapper

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 07 October 2010 - 10:09 PM
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Barghast, on 07 October 2010 - 10:00 PM, said:

Not dead? And I landed the kill? Wow. Only way that could have gone better would have been, you know, some non-human CFs.

OK, first, a message for Tulas, "Thanks for the vote, it was quite handy."

Next, a question, can I now claim that Tulas was the squad commander?

whuuuuuuut?

Tapper, drunk and generally inconveniently unhelpful.

Cheers, btw, PB

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Alkend, on 07 October 2010 - 10:15 PM, said:

==

Continuing to go after Barghast. He'll probably turn out to be the Commisar, though I really doubt, as I think that the Commisar (uh oh!) is dead. That is to, say, Uh Oh! The Commissar's not in town.

But no, the supposed reveals he's made are the sort of information that no actual Inno in a leadership position should be stupid enough to say in public. And I stand by the fact that there's no way he would have made the "survived two Night Action" reveal while under no pressure unless he was scum. And then goes on to speculate that he thinks members of town might know who their leaders are, but he doesn't know for sure - who the fuck says that sort of thing when they're Inno? Someone who isn't actually Inno, that's who. So if he turns out to be town, I'm going to be seriously pissed at his scummy play.

I have no idea about anyone else - I figure there are maybe five town left, and it's a crap shoot who to include. Karatallid, Liosan, and Korv seem likely to have started Inno, but no bets on if any of them have been recruited/possessed/whateverthefuck. A couple more low posters seem particularly useless, but again that might be an Eldar strategy to get lynched.

Also, my team is comprised of idiots. Have I mentioned that yet?

And where the fuck is Kalse?

==

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Osseric, on 07 October 2010 - 10:14 PM, said:

Provisional on Eloth

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Barghast, on 07 October 2010 - 10:16 PM, said:

OK, just gonna post again here to make sure Ment sees I have an outstanding question waiting for him to answer...

In all honesty, I really don't know what you can claim about others and get away with, rulewise. Rules regarding reveals (triple alliteration!!!) on yourself are clear enough, but on others... hot damn, you managed to find a loophole again.

Takes a special someone (don't worry, I'm hitting on the hot female blond bartender, not you ) to spot them....

If it were my game, I'd allow it, but it isn;t, so I'll wait for ment.

Cheers,

- T.

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Path-Shaper, on 07 October 2010 - 10:09 PM, said:

Meanas, on 07 October 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

Aye I've been told to only visit on alt.
Anyway, seeing this here is VERY informative. I've obviously badly failed on my first game, in a very, very embarrasing way. Should've checked the unwritten rules beforehand, and I got what I deserved.
I still have to say I'm not completely satisfied with the game, in particular players' attitudes. It's like this so OH SO SERIOUS BUISNESS. Why all the swearing and rage? I thought this would be more civilized.
In any case, I'll keep reading this in real time as much as possible. Re-reading old threads doesn't quite cut it.

It's a pity my first game was the war40k one, unlikely the next one will be as well.

Heya Gothos, drunk me disagrees on you failing.
I think you played well, and the downfall only came because of two things, both unwritten:
1) you can lurk, but you are never to actually say you'll lurk;
2) you defended yourself too vigorously early game, which made you seem as if you had something to hide.

One: never do that again, or at the least, never admit doing it

Two: this is a very fine line, and easy to get wrong. People who played 20-30 games still get it wrong (and that includes me), but here's the basics: people will jump on you if you take accusations too seriously, especially when they come from only one or two players (unless you can alt them as dibs, morghy or JA, time will tell you who they are).
Never defend against dkt unless people jump on the bandwagon (he'll skin you on anything and few of it is related to the actual game, it is a very special skill and he's king of it). Otherwise, just give people the finger. Defend against 2-3 people accusing you, but never per quote. Instead, post condescendingly and tell them they are small dicked brainless neanderthalers, without actually saying that... instead, make them read it between the lines.
Some will react better to it than others do, but believe me, it makes life in mafia easier.

You simply stepped in on an insanely difficult game (I'd say only dibs, morghy, d'rek, pb and myself are capable of concocting anything like this game, all of us with varying degrees of success) and did well, as far as I am concerned.
Since I can claim I know the bigger picture, I'll tell you I am 100% right, and fuck all who disagree.

Finally, there are several types of players.
Intuitive guys, like Morghy, dkt, Silencer (when scum) and dibs feel out the scum or heavy opposition and weed them out. They are far too often right.

PB, D'rek, Bubba and to some degree myself are analysts, we try and sort the game out to the way we'd run it if we're mods, and sort out people according to those roles. We're often wrong, but in the wrongness, there is always some right. I'd currently name D'rek as the best of us, together with PB. Gavin deserves a mention here as well, you'll never see as much content as in his (few) posts.

Vengy, Bent, Silencer (yeah, twice), are great scum. they know how to play people and make them believe.

The rest of us falls somewhere in between, and don't believe they are any less dangerous because they aren't named. Alt146, Gem, Grief, name anyone else... they're all frickin' dangerous in their own way, and can play more than one role.

And that's enough for now
But if you continue to play, and I hope you will, you'll learn to recognize who is who and who plays how, and will be someone to be reckoned with in no-time.

So, please stay around and play more, if you feel like it. Mafia is SRIUS BIZNIZZ (yeah, it is... and tempers flare because we all want to be competitive) but also a friendly bunch for the insiders. None of it is personal, except the feuds, and I dare say, the feuds are existing because of massive respect rather than hatred, never mind the language.

- Tapper

hey, I take offence to that! are ytou saying I can't concoct a game as difficult as the one I just made,

-ment

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 07 October 2010 - 10:45 PM

[Meanas]

Well, I still got lynched on Day 2, all the way distracting my own team from their enemies. Smart players seem to have used it well - look at the Necron, most people are convinced he's inno, maybe partly due to me being inno. Nobody's on to the Eldar. Alkend strikes me as unbelievably selfish. It's like he just wants to survive himself till the last day when his faction will lose and he doesn't care.
At least Bent did worse this game.
Consider Day 1 and Day 2 votes - both would've been null and void if we went through with lynching Galayn Lord - I'm curious as to what would that make this next day now.

My fail with the night vote got everyone so tunnel-visioned, it's seriously surprising to this little flexibility from people with quite the brain power.

It'll take me a while to put names to styles, but I do see tha a few of the people you mentioned aren't in the game officially - double alts, really? Why? Who's who? It's mostly the names I don't recognize that seem to be the most disrespectful and foulmouthed of the lot. Anonymity in play? What's that all about?


Lastly, with the amount of protection, this looks like it could go on a full two weeks. And I'll be watching.


PS. Might I add, town seems grossly underpowered in this game. Or is it always like this? With posessions and recruitment and lack of almost any information, town will be running in circles chasing our own tails. Hell, my own squad leader was the first one to vote on me Day 2. That hurts!

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usually town is much more powerfull, but not too powerful.

also, about half of the players Tapper mentioned aren't in this game... but htey are legends nonetheless.

holy fuck, was going out tonight really a good idea?
i'm gonna feeel like utter shit tomorrow, and i have a flight....

fjuck.

also, voting night is a big no-no, it's somewherre in the tips thread... or pointers.... or FAQ.
no sweat, though Gothos, you did all right.for someone who got thrown off into the deep end. mentioning that you would lurk was a bad move, though.....

-ment

[Path-Shaper]

also, the idea with multi-scum games is that, well, scum will inevitably hurt each other, as well as innos.

Multi-scum games are always the most challenging to balance, which is why they are so attractive to potential mods.

[Meanas]

I figured that this was what most people were already doing... It didn't occur to me that saying it is worse than doing it.

[Meanas]

Also: I'm not clear on one thing: what is 'shift'? I understand that posession gives the player control of the target player's alt, killing his previous one comin up as inno. But shift?

[Path-Shaper]

same dkifference.
I like use varous words; "posess", "jump", "shift"


they mean the exact same thing.

now i'm gonna go post those 4 PMs, na dthn go to bed.
or play Soul Reaver 2

either or.I need to get my mind out of this loop of thoughts, and a blooming mild hangover for tomorrow.

-ment

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Barghast, on 07 October 2010 - 11:46 PM, said:

I didn't know if that rule applied after that officer had been snuffed. I'm trying to not break the spirit of the rules here, because it seems somewhat legal to say, "The leader was killed last night..." since that narrows it down pretty well, but I do want to have something to say if/when asked if I faithfully executed my plan.

Now, kindly have GL give me another kill so I may use it on someone else. Love, PB.

\

the Eldar

Sukul Ankhadu, on 07 October 2010 - 11:54 PM, said:

Haha, I've been outed. Props to not playing like a jester so I can be lynched.

What this means though, is I need to kill someone first. Any ideas as to who? I want to kill Korv just because he types in text speak, but that isn't really a great reason. I think Liosan should be kept around cause he thought you were town, and that is a good thing. I'll look over the thread, someone should come up. I do not think we have another teammate so... anyone is fair game.

My other idea was to counter Osseric and claim that I recieved a disc saying the same thing about him haha. Then it looks like someone else is pulling the strings. Or Osseric is the Finder and revealed that way in order to protect himself.

Sukul Ankhadu, on 08 October 2010 - 12:30 AM, said:

I'm also actually very confident that I can talk my way out of this too, if that is a strategy we want to play.

Potentially, I could reveal as a navigator. They could be seen as xeno-ish with their warp eye, not to mention that they are technically mutants. It could work. I'd need to work the idea more, add an ability, etc, to make it more believable. Just not sure what strategy I want to follow yet. I'll think it over for a bit before posting.

Eloth, on 08 October 2010 - 01:18 AM, said:

hes not dead ahh fuck it, kill korv next.

ok...
-ment

hehe, this means we might have a Devastator/necron showdown.... that would be very interesting....

Sukul Ankhadu, on 08 October 2010 - 05:13 AM, said:

Ok, so I'm mostly sure that I'll still be around in the game when I wake up, but on the off chance that I am not I want to use my kill. My question is if I can set a conditional order since I will be asleep, to kill Tellan once I gain 5 votes against me. As something else for the rest of the people to focus on.

If not, well I hope I am alive when I get up. I think people will be willing to wait and see if I have anything further to say, which could be a navigator reveal, maybe. This is a just in case action, which I doubt will allowed anyway, but it should be.

I will totally need to get baclk to that tomorrow

ok, i
m out.

-ment

[Meanas]

Soul Reaver 2!

Oh my God. Nosgoth Mafia - the Circle / Guardians of the Pillars - low count game, roles for everyone, one scum with recruitment - like Mortanius. Predator - like Kain and Vorador. Hmmmm!

This post has been edited by Meanas: 08 October 2010 - 06:44 AM

[Path-Shaper]

it's been done,
check out "scourge of the Circle" game.

[Meanas]

Damn

[Path-Shaper]

only there I had Kain as the predator, with Mortanius as his backup.

it went all right, scum walked all over the town, due to low participation and Kain taking out two of the best players night one.

-ment

[Path-Shaper]

damn WIndows 7, locking up on my 2001 game...

all right, sleep time.

-ment

[drinksinbars]

didnt i have a nk bp? so shouldnt the switch have went through. i would still be dead but...

[drinksinbars]

you did grand for a first timer, that was a fairly complicated game and no one i thought was playing very well.