[Path-Shaper]

parting words:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 08 October 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

To be honest, it seems like the best thing I can do at this point is just lurk. If I don't post, don't say anything, the conclusion that everyone should reach is that a xeno needs to go, and it should be me.

If I monitor the thread, as soon as I reach 6 votes I could kill off someone who isn't voting for me. Make it look like someone else is hunting around, rather than the one about to be lynched, who would be expected to kill someone on the train. I don't think the scene would be specific enough to equate me and the eldar. It may look as though the kill was done by the eldar, but no way I'd be caught for it. Since no xeno have died, everyone else should expect the eldar to be active, it's not like they just disappeared overnight, unless one of us is recruited, or possessed.

Sukul Ankhadu, on 08 October 2010 - 09:41 PM, said:

haha well done. I decided not to use the kill as I want you to have the best chance to get yourself lynched. Good luck.

It's too bad I missed it by 15 min. I was driving home for the weekend from Uni and just missed you.

[Path-Shaper]

Alkend, on 08 October 2010 - 10:19 PM, said:

Heal Alkend

Since I have no idea where Kalse is, and doubt there's more than three or four other Innos left, and no way of identifying them.

For Spoilers - I won't be the least bit surprised if both Sukul Ankhadu and Osseric are both scum. Town is dead from their perspective (we'll likely only have three or four after tonight, including me), now the fight's essentially down to the xeno factions.

I'm wondering if Meanas' vote against Barghast was Finder motivated, but am a bit wary of bringing it up in thread. First, because I'm only about 75% convinced he was a Finder; second, because he didn't really argue a case against Barghast when he had ample opportunity to do so; and third, if he was a Finder, there's an outside chance he was paired with Korv. I bring up Meanas as a Finder, someone else backtracks and makes the same connection, and if Korv's Inno he gets knocked off by a Kill that Night. But then, he hasn't shown any hint he's a Finder. Neither has anyone else, actually, leading me to believe it's more likely their simply all dead.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Well it is too bad that Tulas knows my partner is eldar. Unless Tulas dies, if Karat goes up for a lynch, I don't think he'll get it. I guess this is partially my fault too for not thinking that someone could have known. I'd considered possession/being recruited, but not that, which was an oversight. Definitely would have changed how I went out, but I can't really complain. I fulfilled part of the VC and hope that it can be completed.

Should have used that damn kill I had, I didn't want to be too trigger happy like Olar, but I held too long. Would have at least made things easier.

Also want to say thanks to Ment and Tapper. Love the setup, of course, since it is Warhammer 40K. Also just bought the newest Gaunt's Ghosts novel, since it finally appeared in the US. Already finished it since this game put me in the Warhammer mood.

[Mentalist]

Tulas is dead, though.....

[Mentalist]

Korvalain, on 08 October 2010 - 11:00 PM, said:

Lets take a shot at liosan

kill liosan

Liosan, on 09 October 2010 - 01:18 AM, said:

confirm guard on tellan

Alkend, on 07 October 2010 - 10:15 PM, said:

==

Continuing to go after Barghast. He'll probably turn out to be the Commisar, though I really doubt, as I think that the Commisar (uh oh!) is dead. That is to, say, Uh Oh! The Commissar's not in town.

But no, the supposed reveals he's made are the sort of information that no actual Inno in a leadership position should be stupid enough to say in public. And I stand by the fact that there's no way he would have made the "survived two Night Action" reveal while under no pressure unless he was scum. And then goes on to speculate that he thinks members of town might know who their leaders are, but he doesn't know for sure - who the fuck says that sort of thing when they're Inno? Someone who isn't actually Inno, that's who. So if he turns out to be town, I'm going to be seriously pissed at his scummy play.

I have no idea about anyone else - I figure there are maybe five town left, and it's a crap shoot who to include. Karatallid, Liosan, and Korv seem likely to have started Inno, but no bets on if any of them have been recruited/possessed/whateverthefuck. A couple more low posters seem particularly useless, but again that might be an Eldar strategy to get lynched.

Also, my team is comprised of idiots. Have I mentioned that yet?

And where the fuck is Kalse?

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Alkend, on 09 October 2010 - 01:54 AM, said:

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And now, of course, Kalse shows up and starts speculating, making him a target. I think someone might take a shot at him to frame Barghast, but as much as I think they might take a shot at me to the same end.

If town had more numbers to where I could be expendable I'd change my heal to Kalse. As it is ... well, we're probably both being aimed at anyways. Selfish of me, but I think I'm not only a slightly more likely target, but also it won't matter which of us dies. If one more Inno dies tonight, we're done as a team. We might already be done. Besides which, I'm not entirely convinced Kalse hasn't been taken by a Cult - that Meanas vote was insane for anyone Inno, especially in a leadership role.

I'm just hoping that multiple Kills are aimed at Barghast - people have to be thinking of him as Necron by now. Shouldn't be too hard to get him lynched tomorrow, as one last chance. I think he knows it, which is where all this volume of speculation is coming from - it's a bunch of pretty neutral stuff that doesn't reveal anything about him, and pushes his screw-ups further into the past both in-thread and in people's memories.

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Galayn Lord, on 09 October 2010 - 02:33 AM, said:

Well that was much faster than I hoped.

Give Barghast a kill.

Recruit Karatallid again.

Tellan, on 08 October 2010 - 11:14 PM, said:

I will confirm Osseric

gotcha
need an action form Ampelas, too
-ment

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Mentalist, on 09 October 2010 - 04:15 AM, said:

Tulas is dead, though.....

haha fantastic. I thought I was missing one person, just couldn't figure out who.

[Path-Shaper]

Barghast, on 09 October 2010 - 04:52 AM, said:

Good!

Alkend is clever. But I think killing him is bad business for now.

Kill Karatallid.

good thing he's got that BP....

it's looking like an unofficial Eldar win--the second jester is gonna die via culting, meaning we get to play the Avatar.

also, this will leave us in an interesting position, with the town hanging on by a VERY thin thread through Rashan, with his 2 BPs, and the obstinate, self-healing Alkend.

unfortunately, this means that the FMs are seriously out of luck. their list of potential targets is getting smaller by the second.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 October 2010 - 04:58 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 09 October 2010 - 04:56 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 09 October 2010 - 04:15 AM, said:

Tulas is dead, though.....

haha fantastic. I thought I was missing one person, just couldn't figure out who.

any general thoughts on the setup?

[Sukul Ankhadu]

I really like it, because it brings almost everything into play. Cult, FM, Predator, everything. Plus W40K haha.

It looks like a lot of work went into the balancing, and I think it was well done too. All the xenos factions have some kind of conditional upgrade, which is balanced by all the possible upgrades in play. The town was much stronger than I had expected to begin with, though they got unlucky with some early play. My favorite role is Unstable Devastator, just for the line used when he ninjas.

But really, I stress how well done the balancing is imo. That is definitely a large part of a great game, since it is fair.

[Path-Shaper]

I tried my best to make it fair.
though I suppose the town will still complain

I mean, yes, naturally, it requires the town to play a top game, but it should not be impossible to play this tight.
Town started with 1 in 3 chances of hittig scum.

unfortunately, there was a miscommunication between Bent and the Mods, which led to a silly kill, followed by a modkill...
really unfortunate, because I feel Bent could've made a difference in this game, if he stuck around loing enough...

[Path-Shaper]

dear old Alkend is bored....

Alkend, on 09 October 2010 - 10:45 PM, said:

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And the Kalse goes and mentions preserving the town leadership, while heavily insinuating that either GL or Barghast is our top leader.

I sure as fuck hope he's joking, because you never, ever, fucking say anything even remotely like that in thread. That's one of the reasons I think Barghast is scum - for speculating about what may or may not be in starting town Role messages. Seriously, what the fuck?

Because unless Kalse's been recruited, there's no goddamned way he should be saying this stuff as an Inno, unless he's making it up. Especially at Night, when scum can re-target. I wonder if he realizes that I have no idea who town leader is. If it is Barghast, then I've been wrong about everything, but Barghast has been stupid about his reveals, made under no fucking pressure. Hell, that doesn't even make sense for scum to do.

*hammers head against desk*

==

his problem is that he's suspecting that Kalse is culted, but he can't do anything untill he gets proof.
-ment

[Path-Shaper]

also, apologies for not doing the whole resolve thing earlier, but i've had 3 people to talk to today, each of whom is family, and each of whom had a million separate questions about how I've been in the last month and a half.

so, to get to it:

Chaos
Tellan: prep Osseric (blocked)
Ampelas: prep Korvalain (fails)

Tyranid
GL: recruit Karatallid (success, Karat dies)
Bargahst: kill Karatallid (fail, recruit before kill)
Kalse -no action

Eldar:
Karatallid: no action (dies)

Necron
kill Liosan (success)

Town
Eloth: kill Korv (takes off a BP, Korv learns about it)
Liosan : guard Tellan (sucess)
Osseric: find Kalse (returns xeno)
Alkend: heal Alkend


results
Liosan dies, comes up human
Karat dies, comes up xeno

both Eldar must pick a target for Avatar.

Osserc learns that Kalse is xeno

Korvalain learns that Eloth tried to kill him.

hmm, HMQB told me he won't be back till Tuesday, what with the long weeknd and all.
Tapper, how should we handle that?

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 10 October 2010 - 01:08 AM

[Tapper]

Path-Shaper, on 10 October 2010 - 01:07 AM, said:

also, apologies for not doing the whole resolve thing earlier, but i've had 3 people to talk to today, each of whom is family, and each of whom had a million separate questions about how I've been in the last month and a half.

so, to get to it:

Chaos
Tellan: prep Osseric (blocked)
Ampelas: prep Korvalain (fails)

Tyranid
GL: recruit Karatallid (success, Karat dies)
Bargahst: kill Karatallid (fail, recruit before kill)
Kalse -no action

Eldar:
Karatallid: no action (dies)

Necron
kill Liosan (success)

Town
Eloth: kill Korv (takes off a BP, Korv learns about it)
Liosan : guard Tellan (sucess)
Osseric: find Kalse (returns xeno)
Alkend: heal Alkend


results
Liosan dies, comes up human
Karat dies, comes up xeno

both Eldar must pick a target for Avatar.

Osserc learns that Kalse is xeno

Korvalain learns that Eloth tried to kill him.

hmm, HMQB told me he won't be back till Tuesday, what with the long weeknd and all.
Tapper, how should we handle that?

I'd extend the weekend break for a short while. Losing a player to a mod-kill right now, also when the avatar gets to be picked, could well ruin the game.

Drag out night resolution a bit, if you havwn't done it yet (this is my first log-in I think 24 hours), all should sort itself out.

[Path-Shaper]

yeah, i'm doing that, on the pretense of waiting for Karat to give me a list of people to get Avatar'd

Innos really can't afford to lose Eloth right now, b/c he's essentially a Terminator killer--he's the only one with a one-shot power to take out the Avatar OR the Necron

Comissar could've done it too, technically, but.....

-ment

[Path-Shaper]

hmm
I have just spent 5 hours of my birthday out shopping. And I can't say i've hated it. God, I AM getting old.

anyhow, the latest developments make it EVEN MORE crucial that Eloth lives.

here's Karat's list of people to be Avatar'd:

Karatallid, on 10 October 2010 - 06:17 PM, said:

ok how about

Ampelas
Kalse
Eloth
Rashan
Alkend

For now

Ampelas is out, b/c demonic sorcerors can't serve as embodiments of Tzeench. If Kalse is allowed to be posessed (i'll have to look that up in my notes), then we get a BAMF Eldar Avatar, who also knows who the 'nids are. and is known as xeno to the finder.

And if 'nids can't get Avatar'd that means our human terminator becomes an Eldar terminator, locked on a collision course with the Necron.
which is super-epic in and of itself.

-ment

[Path-Shaper]

hmm, doesnt explicitly state anywhere that Tyranids can't get Avatar'd, but I fear it would make little sense in the context of warhammer 40k to have a tyranid suddently become posessed by the Avatar of an eldar god of Vegeance
makes much more sense to give it to Eloth, lol.

[Karatallid]

Woop Avatar goodness Well apparently i suck at being a jester and just managed to attract tons of night actions to me
Also i knew GL sounded scummy on day one Hopefully Eloth can wreak some havoc now

[Meanas]

nobody even suspected you two of being jesters, so I guess you played it nicely.

It appears that my ridiculous play totally disrupted like everyone and their families and neighbours.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

The avatar cometh! That getting recruited part must have been real difficult for you to achieve, Karat...

@Meanas- don't worry about it. For your first game, you didn't do too badly. I would not have mentioned lurking, or voted night, but these are things you learn as you play, so that next time (cause you can't stop with one) you will do better. I was after you, and voting for you because I was trying to look inno so I picked something that other people brought up. There was nothing on you day 1, but sometimes that is how the game goes.

[Liosan]

Meanas you did a decent job for your first game. You played it tight and didn't get confused. The mistakes that you made (lurking, voting night) were things that I would have done if I had been a Jester.

As you watch the game pay attention to Barghast. He has now switched and is playing a completely different style then he was earlier in the game. Alkend has already started to pick up on it. But will Alkend be believed because he has been after Barghast all game. He might if he can bring himself to make a complete case. The material is there for it. I wish that I had pulled of the fake finder reveal on Tellan...God I had it all planned out.

Great game guys looks well balanced. Multiple team leaders was a nice touch for the inno's.