[Tapper]

Silencer, on 30 September 2010 - 09:47 AM, said:

@Hoosier - mislead? Paid for, yes, but that still brings me down from large game, like Tapper has clearly stated he is.

You also have to consider, Tapper, that PB, Bent, Hoosier and I had a good thing going. Ruining that by killing our own backup (of sorts...loose coalition for a day at least) is kinda stupid.

In any case, outside of meta - and yes, this is altless, yes, it may make sense, but it is STILL meta - your primary motive for trying to get rid of me is nothing. Perhaps that I'm one of only two players left who willingly gathered together to lynch another party? That would make sense, as it makes me a threat to you if Hoosier and I decided to pull the same thing today. Smart play, but a bit alienating to Hoosier, and Vengeance who was quite keen to get in on the deal also...

@Hoosier, you don't have to choose between us. Tapper has placed his chips on lynching me, which he will now lose whether his dealer-lynch on me succeeds or not unless I am lynched. That doesn't mean you have to side with one of us at all. You could still vote Shin or Vengeance, and I'm sure you would get some support, which would eventually swing everyone around.

There's no point in betting on my lynch until Tapper has used his dealer lynch, though, because he may yet decide to use it on someone else and push a normal lynch through on me (as it doesn't gain him chips either way), and he may use his dealer lynch on me once you put chips down on my death, in which case you lose your bet on my lynch as I can no longer be lynched.

While you have some points there, there is also a hole in your theory.
4 of you gained a massive amount of chips. Yes, it would be an alliance of sorts, but there would also be a bunch of have-nots, who would be willing to band together and vote for either of you guys. One of you would have decided to change sides over and count on the gratitude of the others in making a lynch possible, to ward him of being the lynch the next day.

Also, by submitting kills, 3 players are gone now, 6 are left. With the yield you have now, you can protect yourself and try kills, while having betting options. The have-nots (of which I am obviously not a part), are more or less actionless.

So, actually, that puts us in a very interesting position. You, HD and me almost or fully doubled. Venge, Shin and alt don't, unless one or two of them are cheaters.
So, there are 2 power blocks - the haves, and the haves-not-so-much.
The thing is, are we willing and able to exploit that?

[Tapper]

The question there is: I can try to use the dealer chip to put us 3 in a majority seat. Do I want to?

remove vote.

[Silencer]

Interesting proposition, Tapper. The only downside I can see for me is that you still need to, at some point today. lynch me, or you lose the chips you bet to have me lynched today.

Not such a loss if you kill me tonight, of course, but still something of a problem in us - the 'haves' as you put it - forming an alliance.

After all, there are six of us now, 4 to lynch, one man goes down, 5 with 3(?) to lynch, and you could easily go and side with the 'have nots' to get me lynched, couldn't you....and Hoosier would also have no reason to stick with me at that point.

So an awkward position all around, don't you think?

[HoosierDaddy]

Say something Shin. You are just down there, and I could use some information from someone else.

[HoosierDaddy]

It seems likely, to me, that the two deaths were probably caused by the two cheaters. Does that make sense to anyone else?

[Silencer]

It does, as cheaters would have excess chips, even if they did everything else (bet on a lynch + NA's + dealer). And if they had the balls to hold off on the betting/dealer pot they'd have plenty to spare.

Then again, if one was willing to part with all their chips on day one, they could do the same thing. And there is little reason to use a heal or guard on someone else unless you have an alliance...(Dibs could have put in a "Find chips" ability, ofc...that would make a bit more sense).

[Tapper]

Silencer, on 30 September 2010 - 10:10 AM, said:

Interesting proposition, Tapper. The only downside I can see for me is that you still need to, at some point today. lynch me, or you lose the chips you bet to have me lynched today.

Not such a loss if you kill me tonight, of course, but still something of a problem in us - the 'haves' as you put it - forming an alliance.

After all, there are six of us now, 4 to lynch, one man goes down, 5 with 3(?) to lynch, and you could easily go and side with the 'have nots' to get me lynched, couldn't you....and Hoosier would also have no reason to stick with me at that point.

So an awkward position all around, don't you think?

I can accept the loss, however, and end up as bottom of the haves, unless I make a larger bet than you guys do on the lynch target.

[Shinrei]

Sorry. I was eating dinner.

I say we lynch Tapper. We get a share of his massive stack if we do that, right?

If not, I apologize, I have not really bent my brain to this game very completely.

[Path-Shaper]

drinksinbars, on 27 September 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Game Setup

A high stakes poker game played for life and death stakes. 9 men enter with 2 cheaters are at the table.

Each player begins the game with five chips. Cheaters begin with 8.

Each night a player can spend one chip on either a kill, guard, heal. One chip can also be spent to protect yourself (this negates a day lynch by the dealer or blocks one single nk attempt).

Each day one player gets the dealer chip. that player can instantly try and lynch one other player at any time of the day without affecting the timer (though voting requirements will of course change). The only way to protect yourself is by spending a chip the night before.

Dealer selection is done by a game of 7 stud poker. If you wish to be in with chance you must pay a chip into the pot before night and send the mod your card selections (2 cards) the mod will deal you two cards. These will be replicated on the thread once day starts. I will then use random.org card generator to post the five dealer cards. the player with the best hand wins the pot and the dealer chip. If more than one player use the same cards the earliest entrant wins. You cant use same cards twice in the game.

Successfully killing a player gains you a share of their chips. In a lynch the chips are shared out equally between the train with at least one chip going to each player regardless of the pot size. In a successful nk the chips are shared between all attacking players.

Betting on successful lynches must be done on thread, bets cannot be retracted or changed once made. A successful bet will double your investment. betting should be done as follows on a seperate line and in bold.

I bet 2 chips that XXXXXXX will be lynched today

This would earn you four chips plus your two back.

Betting is based on lynch trains, not dealer based lynches.

There will be NO off thread communication. The cheaters will know the other cheater but are playing for themselves.

Your Goal in this game is to end the game with the most chips. The game will end when two players are left.

Player List

alt, hd , tapper, hmqb, silencer, grief, veng, shin, Bent.

Days will only end with a lynch or a vote to night. Night is 0 hours in length.

i draw your attention tot he rather large section of the op

[Silencer]

@Shin - that is correct. It holds true for anyone, though. You just have to gauge how many chips another player has.

Anyway, I am going to bed.

Tapper, if you want to use your dealer lynch to remove a have-not, and then go from there like Hoosier, PB, Bent and I did yesterday, then I'm down with that. I just ask that you give it time (as we have no day limit, I don't see why not) so we can figure out who we are going to lynch and what night actions we may take.

This is assuming Hoosier is amenable, of course.

I shall see you folks in the morning.

[Tapper]

Lynch Venge, dealer lynch Shin, leave alt?

I'd say we do the whole thingie tomorrow if at some point we are all three online, and HD is in.

[Tapper]

Shinrei, on 30 September 2010 - 10:35 AM, said:

Sorry. I was eating dinner.

I say we lynch Tapper. We get a share of his massive stack if we do that, right?

If not, I apologize, I have not really bent my brain to this game very completely.

You get a share. However, shares are minimal in comparison to what you can earn with a bet.
Moreover, unless you are on largely equal bets, the stack disparaty will only increase if voters place massively different bets.

[Path-Shaper]

major fuck up - sent the death notice to veng by accident instead of bent veng has kindly not murdered me and suggested bent take over his position. Sorry guys

6 players remain

Bent, tapper, silencer, alt, shin, hd

[Bent]

Fuckers

Ok, Tapper, I'll take your deal, lets form an alliance, We need one more to join us, and we can work that out, you have the dealer chip, so you can auto lynch anyone. Keep it until we get a third in our alliance.

Here is the plan,

I will vote like this

I bet 4 chips that Silencer gets lynched today


The first person to vote for silencer, autokill one of the remaining players, and then vote for Silencer.

I will hop on and hammer, and we gain chips and can hash out the final 3 with our night actions.

Otherwise, I vote for you, and I get NKed tonight either way.

What do you think?

[Bent]

I am doing this, because since I was killed last night - I hate you all - I will absolutely be targetted tonight. Meaning, I can do this, and make it to the final 3, or I can die. So I may get lynched, but if for some reason votes start piling on, you can auto lynch me and keep everyone from sharing my chips.

I need you, you need me, we need one other to bet that silencer will be lynched. But it is the best shot at winning that I can see.

[Tapper]

vote Silencer.

bet one additional chip that Silencer gets lynched.

Because he was dickish enough to leave a vote on me, keeping me lynchable, I see no qualms about making a deal with you instead of with him, Bent

[Path-Shaper]

Shin has been dealer lynched. he had no protection

Shinrei was a cheater

[alt146]

vote Silencer

bet two chips Silencer gets lynched

[Tapper]

High fives alt.

[Bent]

Vote Silencer