[Silencer]

On-thread alliances? Hah, like that's going to happen.

Anyway, I'm going to

Vote Bent

For being himself. Nyah.

[Tapper]

Path-Shaper, on 29 September 2010 - 08:59 AM, said:

or you could try and form alliances with people, you know - with discussion

I think in true mafia tradition that the first person to try and form an alliance will be voted off by the pack, same with any minority combination .

[Bent]

Path-Shaper, on 29 September 2010 - 08:59 AM, said:

or you could try and form alliances with people, you know - with discussion

Inconceivable!

Also, I'm here.

[Bent]

I can't bold. But if you'll allow it I want to vote for alt 146.

Vote alt 146

In his first post he did this whole " let's work together and we can do it" bullshit. And ever since he's been focusing on the whole "work as a team " scenario. In his last post, he seemed a bit nervous about the thought of the cheaters going after each other, and had to make a point to say they would probably hold off.

When in fact, they aren't on the same team. They just know each other, so id say he's scared his partner will target him.

By the way I'm cool with getting lynched but alt146 and venge are the 2 I think are the cheaters.

[Bent]

Silencer, on 29 September 2010 - 09:33 AM, said:

On-thread alliances? Hah, like that's going to happen.

Anyway, I'm going to

Vote Bent

For being himself. Nyah.

You sir are a douche.

[Tapper]

P-S, can we only bet on lynches, or can we also bet on guards/heals/deaths/survivals of the night, and so forth?
That would be a powerful cement to an alliance.

[Shinrei]

What's up freaks.

I think I've finally wrapped my head around the game. Making money betting on the death of others, dibsy is doing himself proud.

I think we should be able to take out "insurance policies" that pay out once that person dies, black widow style.

[Shinrei]

Tapper, on 29 September 2010 - 09:37 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 September 2010 - 08:59 AM, said:

or you could try and form alliances with people, you know - with discussion

I think in true mafia tradition that the first person to try and form an alliance will be voted off by the pack, same with any minority combination .

I agree, it would have to be a subtle alliance, which is next to impossible without off-game convo since subtlety would probably mean that even the target of the alliance overtures would likely miss it.

[alt146]

Bent, on 29 September 2010 - 11:17 AM, said:

I can't bold. But if you'll allow it I want to vote for alt 146.

Vote alt 146

In his first post he did this whole " let's work together and we can do it" bullshit. And ever since he's been focusing on the whole "work as a team " scenario. In his last post, he seemed a bit nervous about the thought of the cheaters going after each other, and had to make a point to say they would probably hold off.

When in fact, they aren't on the same team. They just know each other, so id say he's scared his partner will target him.

By the way I'm cool with getting lynched but alt146 and venge are the 2 I think are the cheaters.

I don't see how what I have said is wrong - people in this game have an advantage, I proposed a way to counter that advantage. Dunno how you construe what I said as being nervous about cheaters going after each other. What I said is that we can't rely on people to take each out during the night.

[Bent]

@alt - I got a scum vibe off your first post and I'm going off that as a gut feeling. Same thing with venge. While there is no actual scum, cheaters imo would start the game playing like they have more to lose than everyone else. You have done this by acting lovey dovey . Venge is playing like. "Scum" by being overly aggressive towards me. The only other person on my radar right now is tapper for playing similar to the way you are. The only difference there is that he stuck his neck out there and voted grief. That put him slightly lower on the list than you or venge. Its a good bet that I will get lynched tody and so I am putting my cards on the table as it were so everyone knows where I stand later in the game.

Not trying to be fatalistic but until the game moves forward its pretty much guess work. I have 2 votes and expect that will be enough to get me lynched. }m not a cheater, but this early tht probably won't matter as the dealer chip isn't on the table.

[Peanutbutta]

OK Dibs, are you saying there are 5 community cards? Because I thought stud poker didn't have community cards, just face-up and face-down cards. Plus, since we know who the dealer is, what's the point in announcing the cards anyway? It doesn't really matter what our cards are if we know who the dealer is... if we don't know who the dealer is, then using the known cards to try and deduce it definitely has strategy.

Also Dibs, can we push all of our chips in during the day and then have a provisional for the night, assuming we still have chips?

If we run out of chips do we die?

[Peanutbutta]

Bent, IMO, Cheaters gain advantage by hoarding chips... that's their power. It would be fairly easy to just spend a chip or two every night to protect yourself from kills/instalynch. I doubt they are going to spend 3 chips a night... 1 on a kill, one day protection, one on the dealer chip.

About cooperation, I would think mutual promises to use heal chips on each other would be pretty effective, if a heal blocks all kills. Of course, guards could stop that, but that's expending a chip just to hope that someone else kills them... which I guess could also be arranged.

[alt146]

Peanutbutta, on 29 September 2010 - 02:18 PM, said:

Bent, IMO, Cheaters gain advantage by hoarding chips... that's their power. It would be fairly easy to just spend a chip or two every night to protect yourself from kills/instalynch. I doubt they are going to spend 3 chips a night... 1 on a kill, one day protection, one on the dealer chip.

About cooperation, I would think mutual promises to use heal chips on each other would be pretty effective, if a heal blocks all kills. Of course, guards could stop that, but that's expending a chip just to hope that someone else kills them... which I guess could also be arranged.

I think a heal blocks a single kill, the same way the BP stops one kill or insta-lynch. So an alliance of three people could still kill one member of an alliance of two people and split that person's chips between them. Although they would then forgo defending themselves, as you can only spend one chip per night.

Edit - by themselves I mean each other - they can put in their BP chip, but can only use a kill or a heal.

This post has been edited by alt146: 29 September 2010 - 03:48 PM

[Bent]

alt146, on 28 September 2010 - 11:36 AM, said:

I don't mind either. How late in the day are we allowed to make bets regarding lynches? If we are allowed to do it al L-1 then we should organise it that whoever hammers holds back long enough for everyone to place the obvious bet. We need to earn at least two chips a day to be able to put in a guard/heal and BP ourselves, I don't see that happening just from lynches. I understand this is a last man standing game, but I think it is in our best interests to work together, at least until the cheaters are discovered.

Correction it was your second post (quoted above) that struck me as suspicious. And I figured out how to bold from my phone I think so here goes

vote alt146

[Bent]

alt146, on 29 September 2010 - 03:41 PM, said:

Peanutbutta, on 29 September 2010 - 02:18 PM, said:

Bent, IMO, Cheaters gain advantage by hoarding chips... that's their power. It would be fairly easy to just spend a chip or two every night to protect yourself from kills/instalynch. I doubt they are going to spend 3 chips a night... 1 on a kill, one day protection, one on the dealer chip.

About cooperation, I would think mutual promises to use heal chips on each other would be pretty effective, if a heal blocks all kills. Of course, guards could stop that, but that's expending a chip just to hope that someone else kills them... which I guess could also be arranged.

I think a heal blocks a single kill, the same way the BP stops one kill or insta-lynch. So an alliance of three people could still kill one member of an alliance of two people and split that person's chips between them. Although they would then forgo defending themselves, as you can only spend one chip per night.

Edit - by themselves I mean each other - they can put in their BP chip, but can only use a kill or a heal.

Just a quick point here to further my case against you. Ypu are assuming here that they would use a chip to protect each other and seem to feel the need to post it in thread so that if they hadn't thought of it they can now do so. To me this is signalling your partner. Saying hey pal, use a chip to heal me and I will do the same and let them kill each other off for a while.

Scummy mc scum face

[Path-Shaper]

Day ends with a lynch. 5 votes required for lynch or night

2 votes for bent (vengeance, silencer)
1 vote for grief (tapper)
1 vote for alt (bent)

[Peanutbutta]

Well, Bent, I really don't see what on earth is going to be suspicious in this game. Cheaters have no motivation to out each other (outs themselves), and there's no special hidden rules unless cheaters get one in their PM (which I doubt).

[Peanutbutta]

OK Bent, that is just ridiculous. You're now saying there's off-thread partnerships? Are you even reading the rules?

[Path-Shaper]

Peanutbutta, on 29 September 2010 - 02:15 PM, said:

OK Dibs, are you saying there are 5 community cards? Because I thought stud poker didn't have community cards, just face-up and face-down cards. Plus, since we know who the dealer is, what's the point in announcing the cards anyway? It doesn't really matter what our cards are if we know who the dealer is... if we don't know who the dealer is, then using the known cards to try and deduce it definitely has strategy.

Also Dibs, can we push all of our chips in during the day and then have a provisional for the night, assuming we still have chips?

If we run out of chips do we die?

players receive 2 cards, i deal 5 for the table making seven in play for each player. best hand wins the dealer chip and the pot of money from entrants.

TO CLARIFY, IF YOU SPEND A CHIP ON A NIGHT ACTION IT IS SPENT THERE AND THEN. NO PROVISIONALS ONCE A CHIP IS SPENT ITS GONE.

Therefore you can only bet with coins you have. if a player bet five coins now they would not be able to do any actions tonight as they cannot spend money on the night actions when they do not have any though if they were successful they would gain 15 coins for use tomorrow.

[Bent]

Peanutbutta, on 29 September 2010 - 04:13 PM, said:

OK Bent, that is just ridiculous. You're now saying there's off-thread partnerships? Are you even reading the rules?

Pb I'm saying he has to signal to his partner via his post that they should heal each other because he can't communicate off thread. Did u even read my post?