[Defiance]

On my Midnight Tides reread I caught something that I most definitely missed the first time around. Page 278 of US paperback, where Sukul and Menandore are dragging Sheltatha to the Azath and Osserc appears. They talk about some stuff, eventually leading to how Scabandari was dealt with. Osserc says:

"Mother Dark's first children were spawned without need of any sire. And, despite what Anomander may claim, they were not Tiste Andii."

Maybe we get this answer later in the series and somehow I missed it/it's obvious and for whatever reason I can't think of it. Or maybe Osserc is just full of shit? I mean, he's talking about the people who took down Scabandari (or so I gathered...he could just be talking about the world's great powers in general). This seems to suggest Kilmandaros, and yet I've seen nothing to suggest Mother Dark and the Elder Godess of Fisting are in any way related.

[Urizen]

Defiance, on 06 September 2010 - 04:42 AM, said:

On my Midnight Tides reread I caught something that I most definitely missed the first time around. Page 278 of US paperback, where Sukul and Menandore are dragging Sheltatha to the Azath and Osserc appears. They talk about some stuff, eventually leading to how Scabandari was dealt with. Osserc says:

"Mother Dark's first children were spawned without need of any sire. And, despite what Anomander may claim, they were not Tiste Andii."

Maybe we get this answer later in the series and somehow I missed it/it's obvious and for whatever reason I can't think of it. Or maybe Osserc is just full of shit? I mean, he's talking about the people who took down Scabandari (or so I gathered...he could just be talking about the world's great powers in general). This seems to suggest Kilmandaros, and yet I've seen nothing to suggest Mother Dark and the Elder Godess of Fisting are in any way related.

The implication is indeed that the Elder Gods are Mother Dark's first children

[Tattersail_]

At the same time, this is Osserc's point of view. It is not fact, and it does look that he is implying that her first children were the Elder Gods, I always thought though that there were elementals, Mother Dark being one of such, and although she may have given birth to some EG's other Elementals give birth to other EG's as well?

[Ribald]

No one else spoke of Mother Dark's first children because they had red hair and were unloved... in fact this is where the proverbial 'red-haired step-child' comes from. Everyone else is too polite to point it out.

[haroos]

Urizen, on 06 September 2010 - 07:57 AM, said:

Defiance, on 06 September 2010 - 04:42 AM, said:

On my Midnight Tides reread I caught something that I most definitely missed the first time around. Page 278 of US paperback, where Sukul and Menandore are dragging Sheltatha to the Azath and Osserc appears. They talk about some stuff, eventually leading to how Scabandari was dealt with. Osserc says:

"Mother Dark's first children were spawned without need of any sire. And, despite what Anomander may claim, they were not Tiste Andii."

Maybe we get this answer later in the series and somehow I missed it/it's obvious and for whatever reason I can't think of it. Or maybe Osserc is just full of shit? I mean, he's talking about the people who took down Scabandari (or so I gathered...he could just be talking about the world's great powers in general). This seems to suggest Kilmandaros, and yet I've seen nothing to suggest Mother Dark and the Elder Godess of Fisting are in any way related.

The implication is indeed that the Elder Gods are Mother Dark's first children

this is actualy implied, when it says that mother dark first asserted order on the universe.

[Tattersail_]

edit. back to subject title.

This post has been edited by Tattersail: 07 September 2010 - 08:20 AM

[worry]

What?

[Aptorian]

I think Tattersail is a ginger.

[Tattersail_]

yep, and proud to be

[worry]

I knew they could use sign language, but who taught them how to read and write?!

[Tattersail_]

very funny. no seriously, you should be a comedian

edit, taken away negative comment

This post has been edited by Tattersail: 07 September 2010 - 08:19 AM

[HiddenOne]

Is there some Euro prejudice at work here that should be explained?

[MTS]

Against gingers? It's hardly confined to Europe - we have it here in Australia, and it's even the subject of an episode of South Park.

[worry]

Tattersail, you edited your mean comment before I could read it!

[HiddenOne]

worrywort, on 07 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

Tattersail, you edited your mean comment before I could read it!

Yeah, mean comments bring sunshine into gloomy days. As long as they're aimed elsewhere.

[Tattersail_]

yeah well I calmed down, I was annoyed at first. But I aint going to start ranting an raving with a stranger you have your own opinions I have mine.

[worry]

Lousy hippies!

[GingerBreadMan]

I disagree re the Elder Gods..

Spoiler

Many characters have gotten into discussions about Elementals, in Bonehunters when Cotillion talking to the 3 dragons and Edgewalker, Ampelas(one of the dragons) mentions that even when Darkness ruled alone there were other elementals moving unseen until the coming of light.

Later when talking to Mappo he mentions the sheer complexity of the relationships involving elementals, talking about dark/light/shadow/life/death as well as past/[present/future etc..

I think to say Mother Dark birthed the Elder Gods is a mistake, she was just one of the first elementals..

[respekt]

So...anything in later books that clears this up? Or is it just another of those things Erikson writes and is never mentioned again?

[Sinisdar Toste]

later books touch on the subject but it's never been conclusively answered who osserc was talking about. it's easy to infer that, given the context, that he's talking about the elder gods, considering two of them just slapped scabby down and that's who they're discussing.

though the whole mystery behind MD and the elder gods, as well as the creation of the universe does seem to be approaching some kind or resolution, if DoD and SW are anything to go on. so RAFO i guess

This post has been edited by Sinisdar Toste: 06 December 2010 - 04:55 AM