[Dolmen 2.0]

Ok so 2 is definately the way to go. Im still gonna play around with the idea of people running away while ryll rips them apart though.

My conundrum is in eriksons description of Rylls fighting style. He bites, claws and punches breaking buildings and smashing gates apart while he does so. I keep picturing a massive creature on all fours throwing things and biting people...but jackals are spindly looking things. Should i reduce his hulk like chest even further or perhaps make him more humanoid to justify the muscle mass?

[Grimjust Bearegular]

2!

[Sinisdar Toste]

Dolmen, on 28 September 2011 - 05:36 PM, said:

Ok so 2 is definately the way to go. Im still gonna play around with the idea of people running away while ryll rips them apart though.

My conundrum is in eriksons esselmonts description of Rylls fighting style. He bites, claws and punches breaking buildings and smashing gates apart while he does so. I keep picturing a massive creature on all fours throwing things and biting people...but jackals are spindly looking things. Should i reduce his hulk like chest even further or perhaps make him more humanoid to justify the muscle mass?

FTFY

[Isa]

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Should i reduce his hulk like chest even further or perhaps make him more humanoid to justify the muscle mass?

If you feel that it's necessary I would go with the first option. I understand your conundrum (had to google that), canines in general hardly strikes me as the type to throw a lot of punches. I don't think you need to change anything though.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Ok I've Narrowed it to add focus and worked up 2 options for the two that I think we all actually might like.

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(But Whats the difference?!)

Ok well Ryll being the main focus is either stomping people or
Roaring Wildly.
Dudes are running away in both,
Grizzled commanding soldier either in or out, not sure
Hurl about to hurl a grenade...

And just before that a potential Rell, not too sure what he'll be up to but suffice
to say it will be badass.

This post has been edited by Dolmen: 29 September 2011 - 07:36 AM

[Use Of Weapons]

I like 2 also. Prefer the second option of the two options above -- the first still looks like a scorpion (which was my impression of 4).

[Grimjust Bearegular]

second option. Love pointing, grizzled commander guy.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Damn!

Everytime I look at this thread i want to throw something against the wall and chew up butterflies! I realize why im not able to push Ryllandaras. I love his character, I loved every moment depicted involving him in RotCG, the idea of him in chains, the image of Rell facing him off. The tension and horror and everything! I can't for the life of me put it on a page!

Erikson/ICE 10 Dolmen -2.

I want to make Ryll scarey, i want him to look sharp and intelligent, insane and covered in gore. I want li heng to look like an asiatic paradise dropped in the middle of chaos. I want dynamism, or tension or whatever! Most of all i want to get action into this. All them years back when Gothos asked me for this i had no skill to pull it off but as i got better i felt i needed to do Much much more! (sorry gothos.)

Im really upset about this one. After pulling off topper vs cowl i think i should be able to do something worth the characters. I just cant see the right scene, the right atmosphere just...elludes me!

Simply put: crap!

[/mini Rant]

[Abyss]

Just my useless 2sou, but i think distance/trying to do too much may be your problem. It looks crowded, like a DND book illustration that needs the mandatory warrior, mage and cleric vs monster in the frame. For Ry to be a scary monster, you might want to be up close to him, or move him most of the way out of the frame, focus on Rell and show how completely outmatched he is.

[Toraneko]

Wow mate. Your improvement between this thread and your latest is impressive.

[Dolmen 2.0]

yeah you're right abyss. I need to try zoom in. Bring focus to Ryll and how desperate fighting him must be... I'll work up some gray scales tonight.

@ toraneko: development for me has largely been thanks to more dedication and more criticism from artist who have been at this much longer than i have. there are some really good teachers out there.

[Abyss]

Btw if you googleimage 'jackal' they look way more fox-like and less wolf or hyena than one might expect. The descriptions in the book run towards massive slavering man-beast monster, but it would be interesting if you took it a bit towards the actual animal.

Albeit on a massive slavering man-beast level.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Here we go again.

So I tried a few more ideas. Im thinking of the reverse of the above images.
have hurl cresting a broken building in the background while Ryll chews up
people... think more along the lines of the witcher 2s Troll fight for scale.

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Abyss I agree, jackals are thin little guys. I'd have to reduce shoulder and snout
size to make this look more jackalish. cant see massive and jackalish connecting
well. I wish I could pick SEs brain just to find out what he was drinking when he
thought the monster up.

This post has been edited by Dolmen+: 31 May 2012 - 10:12 PM

[D'rek]

Dolmen+, on 31 May 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

I want dynamism, or tension or whatever! Most of all i want to get action into this.

If you really want to get more action into this, maybe you need to have Ryll in the process of striking? Most of the sketches so far have Rell and Ryll standing facing each other, which isn't as action-ey? There's one particular pose I've got in mind but I'm not sure how to describe it... think standing straight up, then go from that to squatting, and then slicing one arm forward in a curved, horizontal way. Ryll could have long arms to make it look appropriatey menacing and/or practical. And then I guess Rell would be parrying or dodging, unless Ryll is swatting someone else.

[Abyss]

Better. I like the touch of the body in his mouth. I agree with D'worm that some action would be a nice touch... tricky to pull off but maybe get closer and really fill up the frame with Ry... have Rell blocking a claw and attacking with his other sword...

I like the asian note to the armour.

[Dolmen 2.0]

@ Drek: i think you're thinking of a smite there where abyss describes something like a swatting swipe. Despite that i think i hear the general desire is an exchange of sorts between them.

I like the idea of rell side stepping.i'll zoom in further and see if i can't get some good motions in between them.

This post has been edited by Dolmen+: 01 June 2012 - 06:06 AM

[Dolmen 2.0]

I've punched into the action a bit more.

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I kind of like it. Not too attached to it but I think its going in the right direction...

EDIT: Right! Made a few new steps, just added onto this post to be less reduntant. off to
Maritzburg for the weekend will put fresh eyes on this monday evening. Also Abyss quit
molesting my talent lol.

This post has been edited by Dolmen+: 01 June 2012 - 09:52 PM

[Lady Bliss]

Now THAT does it for me. I think you are on the right track! I love the claws.

[Abyss]

There we go!
And btw the ears, longer limbs and removing the 'mane' added that note of jackal the earlier versions lacked.

Now i'm back to fuck you and all your fucking talent...

[worry]

Abyss, on 01 June 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Now i'm back to fuck you and all your fucking talent...

There's romance in the air!