[Silchas Ruin]

It also may be kind of telling that all of the suspicious people (to me) are all voting for Galain. That's something to be said.

[Silchas Ruin]

~27 minutes left by my count.

[Olar Ethil]

Silchas Ruin, on 18 August 2010 - 05:36 PM, said:

It also may be kind of telling that all of the suspicious people (to me) are all voting for Galain. That's something to be said.

Yes, I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least 1 scum on the Galain Train.


I am around till Lynch time. I would much rather vote D'riss, but I don't think we will have the numbers.

So you are more in favor doing this whole thing again tomorrow, and giving the killers a free kill tonight?

[Silchas Ruin]

Of course not, Olar. But Galain already offered himself up for his own vote and, in my mind, is almost certainly town.

We've had a lot of lurkers today... the reading count has consistently stayed at 3-4 anonymous and I only count for one of em.

Someone doesn't want to speak up because they don't want a momentum swing right now.

[Silchas Ruin]

Like, I don't really see what the benefit is of lynching Galain at this point. The case against him is he was symped by Sorrit, right? So if Galain is scum, then you have to lynch Sorrit (or me for more or less defending him). If he's inno, you can't clear Sorrit, me, or automatically condemn D'riss, etc. It's just another day with virtually 0 info gained.

I think a D'riss lynch, scum or town, gives the 'best' information. And I think a Galain one gives almost 'zero' information. I'd rather deal with this tomorrow than anything.

[Silchas Ruin]

I think people are forgetting something else, too. TULAS and OKAROS haven't even posted! If we assume they are inno we are looking at going down 4 on Day 2 (modkills, lynch, NK).

[Olar Ethil]

Thats true. It looks like Galain buggered out anyway, so probably no lynch. Which, if Okaros and TS are inno... is probably a good thing.

[Silchas Ruin]

I was really tempted to change my vote for a minute but decided not to. I think I'm likely to die tonight and don't think I want my last action in the game to be lynching off a townie.

[Atrahal]

You're really that sure he's innocent?

You really think that doesn't look suspicious?

You really think we want just waste tommorow, or some later day, lynching him? After all, CFs give information, discussion. What will have changed by tommorow, barring the loss of innocents? And what if he is scum?

No lynch is not better than a lynch.

SR, I find it untrustworthy how much you seem to trust galain.Even he has admitted that sorrit seems scummy. He says he knows he's innocent, but hardly seems surprised we're going after him.

And yet you are so sure he's innocent that you refuse to vote him, even if it wastes a lynch. Not only that, but you come on supporting his case wholeheartedly.

On day one?

[Olar Ethil]

Why do you think you are going to die?

[Atrahal]

And now, by my count, it's too late.

[Atrahal]

Olar Ethil, on 18 August 2010 - 06:16 PM, said:

Why do you think you are going to die?

Because scum hate having around the people who there's not much to read on...Oh wait.

Which brings me onto another point. Silchas is the second highest poster.

Strong opinions one way or the other? Not really. Other than completely supporting Galain. Which makes me distrustful, so I went back and looked for a possible connection. He mentioned Galain as being mildly scummy earlier in the day. He then made a post I find odd about Galain and HP:

Silchas Ruin, on 18 August 2010 - 03:47 AM, said:

Galain, on 17 August 2010 - 11:37 AM, said:

Hood, on 17 August 2010 - 10:50 AM, said:

Awww yeah.

Well, you guys keep up the good work. I can apparently fuck and vote, so I'm assuming I can three-way and sleep at the same time. See you all in the morning, bright and early...

But we would you want to? Is our three-way that boring that you are going to sleep through it?

Honestly, I find the above to be the most suspicious thing in the game so far. We talk about sexytime frequently around here but three-way is a pretty big word to throw out in a game where it's not clear from the setup who the bad guys are. If HP were, for example, a symp, it may be a good clue that he knows of 2 scum masters. The Galain response could be signalling, but it would indicate that if he's the master, he has foolishly given himself away for no reason.

So if HP is scummy, I would be very stunned if Galain were, as well.

He makes no mention of the most obvious scumlike conclusion: That HP was spamming, or fishing and Galain signalled.

To begin, he calls it the most suspicous thing of the game. But then he ends with such a weak conclusion, that it actually is more like a pre-emptive defense than anything else. It's apparently the most suspicious thing in the game. He thinks it could be signalling. But it's unlikely both of them could be scum-In a signalling situation?

And then he comes back on, and Galain is "almost certainly town". He is that sure.

SR-Galain partnership with Sorrit as symp is my current guess for the scum.

[D'riss]

Silchas Ruin, on 18 August 2010 - 05:54 PM, said:

Of course not, Olar. But Galain already offered himself up for his own vote and, in my mind, is almost certainly town.

We've had a lot of lurkers today... the reading count has consistently stayed at 3-4 anonymous and I only count for one of em.

Someone doesn't want to speak up because they don't want a momentum swing right now.

Silchas Ruin, on 18 August 2010 - 06:06 PM, said:

I was really tempted to change my vote for a minute but decided not to. I think I'm likely to die tonight and don't think I want my last action in the game to be lynching off a townie.

Either you have 'inside' information that Galain is inno - or you are taking a huge gamble right now.
Everyone should be suspicious in everyone's eyes - that's how it should be. Your willingness to let someone off the hook that easy speaks volumes - either tell us what you know, or keep your mouth shut. Jabs like these are uncalled for.
Everyone is guilty until proven otherwise - either by CF or by eliminating all the scum and winning the game.
I don't really know what you are trying to pull off here. Only scum know who the innos are, unless there's a lover pair around - in which case you waited TOO long before actually telling us that. Again can't understand your reasoning.

Silchas Ruin, on 18 August 2010 - 05:57 PM, said:

Like, I don't really see what the benefit is of lynching Galain at this point. The case against him is he was symped by Sorrit, right? So if Galain is scum, then you have to lynch Sorrit (or me for more or less defending him). If he's inno, you can't clear Sorrit, me, or automatically condemn D'riss, etc. It's just another day with virtually 0 info gained.

I think a D'riss lynch, scum or town, gives the 'best' information. And I think a Galain one gives almost 'zero' information. I'd rather deal with this tomorrow than anything.

Really, a CF is a CF. It's information, no matter how you look at it. You get more 'info' from my lynch? When the only thing you can call me out on, was speaking my mind in the first ever post, and actually be bold enough to vote on it? Because I also believe in 'Pin the scum rather than the symp' mentality as well? And for being the 2nd vote on a train? Alright, go after that, if that's what you want. Since the only reason you can actually blame me here, is for actually agreeing with someone else, god forbit it happens in a game of mafia.
Who else can you connect me with, Silchas? Any other names at all?
When Galain is riding the same train with Sorrit, and Olar? The train you actually push further, with the audacity that Galains case makes more sense? Oh, wait- that's the same thing I actually stated back in my post about Atrahals reasons. But I guess your 'rules' do not apply for you at all here.

Regardless of that, how do we benefit from a no lynch day? What will we talk about tomorrow, when we have no CF and only failed trains to analyse?
Even if Galain is inno, EVEN IF Sorrit is inno, it's our best intrest to remove something like that from the equation right now, since it will only come back and bite us in the ass tomorrow, as we will cycle over and over the same arguements and points we talked about today.
Unless you have ground proof that Galain is town, you waited too long to play your card here.Droping hints like that, after the timer has probably run out.

[Silchas Ruin]

If I had information that Galain were town, I'd have put it out there. I'm not one for random, stupid clues that could be intercepted. I'm just stating what I feel is pretty likely.

Consider it playing the odds. How many times has a Day 1 case led to a successful lynch? Nearly zero. The case on Galain was him being symped by Sorrit. I found that case to be weak, the votes for him to be convenient, and decided it was a waste of time, especially compared to the case on D'riss for voting a case that he didn't even mention in his summary.

Don't be offended, D'riss, it's not personal. Odds are, you're innocent, too, but if I'm going to vote for a reason on Day 1, it's going to be a good one.

And now Atrahal may continue to feign outrage that he couldn't get his pet project lynched off.

[Silchas Ruin]

Also, @Atrahal, you're kind of a whiner. If it's not painfully obvious that Galain is town based upon the way his case easily gathered votes, then I don't know what is.

I'm impressed that you have managed to finger the scum team as Galain, myself, and Sorrit. Really incredible detective work. Of course, that means you're agreeing with all of the following:

• Sorrit is an idiot (which may be a valid point)
• I came back on thread to actively dissuade from the lynch rather than either a) quickly lynching off Galain to stem the loss or, lurking and not voting
• Our scum team is willing to put ourselves out in the open immediately so we can be targeted by all manner of NAs and lynches

Incredible. You should sign up for Scotland Yard. You'll make Detective in no time.

[D'riss]

Silchas Ruin, on 18 August 2010 - 08:40 PM, said:

If I had information that Galain were town, I'd have put it out there. I'm not one for random, stupid clues that could be intercepted. I'm just stating what I feel is pretty likely.

Consider it playing the odds. How many times has a Day 1 case led to a successful lynch? Nearly zero. The case on Galain was him being symped by Sorrit. I found that case to be weak, the votes for him to be convenient, and decided it was a waste of time, especially compared to the case on D'riss for voting a case that he didn't even mention in his summary.

Don't be offended, D'riss, it's not personal. Odds are, you're innocent, too, but if I'm going to vote for a reason on Day 1, it's going to be a good one.

And now Atrahal may continue to feign outrage that he couldn't get his pet project lynched off.

That's something I don't understand either.
Atrahal stated the reasons of the case, and what I mentioned was that I find said reasons somehow valid, and most important reason is the 'Go after the one who you believe is the master and not the symp' kinda attitude.
What would you gain if I repeated the same points Atrahal already made? I'm not clear in this. I tried to say that I am a bit concerned about people grabing the thread from the horns on day one, since its very dangerous if scum successfully control the flow of the game, but the reasons alone were decent enough for me to decide on voting.What I tried to offer was some further insight on what I believed about other people who appeared vocal and in semi-serious tone at that time. And by semi-serious, I mean things other than day 1 nonsense and dragonsex and this and that. And I decided to end the post with a vote. Is it the fact that I voted for the case I believe at that point that was more sound, that bothers you? Isn't that too much wifom to call me out on? You'd have called me even if I didn't vote because I would be basically stating the 'obvious' but after than not vote, now you call me again for stating the 'obvious' but this time actually voting.
Building a biased case on that, doesn't have much credit either.

[Silchas Ruin]

No, you assumptions are not true.

I didn't really see what you had done at first, but Galain pointed it out and I thought it was a good point (pure coincidence that Galain was also the guy who got all the votes later). You may have voiced consent to Atrahal's case, but the way your vote was worded, it made it seem like you had other good votes in mind. It's not the same thing as being suspicious of somebody, it's as if you wanted to vote.

Anyway, I'm done with it, it was Day 1, we need to see which one of us gets killed (I think I'm a good candidate because I wasn't really involved in any of the bickering yesterday and only showed up right before the lynch timer was off, leaving less time for killers to change their prov to me for some reason). If not me, Emurlahnis is a good possibility, don't think he's ruffled many feathers with his few posts.

[Atrahal]

Nice reaction.

I like how you're sarcastic about my detective skills when your reasoning comes down to:

We're usually wrong day one.
That means galain is most likely inno.
That means I won't vote.

Oh, brilliant.

What next?

The majority of players are inno.
That means anyone at any time, has a higher chance of being inno than scum, in strict probability.
Let's never lynch anyone.

Lynching is beneficial regardless of whether we hit scum or not.

On another note, you talk about voting for convenience. Yet you don't actually seem to have read the D'riss case which you praise so highly. According to you it's based on D'riss voting on a case he doesn't actually mention. If you had actually read the post where he voted, you would have seen that he does actually mention the galain case when he talks about me....

I agree D'riss has seemed to be forced in his inconspiciousness at times. However, you seem to just have invented a reason here. Reminds me of Sorrit claiming contradictions in D'riss posts earlier, which was not what I would call a watertight piece of reasoning.

Quite odd, the discrepency in the reasoning about D'riss. Seems kind of desperate.

I fail to see how galains case easily gathered votes-if that were the case, don't you think he might've actually been lynched. I mean, we had a lot of time-the case started early. Perhaps the failure of the lynch is more telling than the fact that it supposedly gathered votes easily, in finding the scum. It suggests a certain degree of opposition, not just apathy. I mean, you cared enough to have a no-lynch instead.

[Silchas Ruin]

My reasoning is that yes, we are usually wrong Day 1 but also, the case was not good and not worthy of a vote.

Galain easily gathered votes, took them away from D'riss at the end, even, but he wasn't lynched... that's because we needed 7 people to lynch. If you lump Sorrit, Galain, and me together as a 'team' (and we certainly voted that way), and then remember that Okaros and Tulas were/are in the game, then you needed every single one of the rest of you to lynch him.

Guess who failed you? Emur, who has 4 posts.

Point was, Galain would have been lynched in any game where Day 1 didn't have 2 people that weren't even playing the game.

[Silchas Ruin]

Anyway, despite your comments and arguments about what I did or didn't read, your interpretation of events, and whatnot, you have still failed to realize that if I was on a team with Sorrit and Galain, then we have just lost the game. The idea that I am a member of the team, would show up out of nowhere near the lynch, and then draw attention to myself is probably the absolute dumbest possible thing I can think.

And I can think of a lot of things.