[Sorrit]

Ok, I don't know if it's a newb thing, or a misconstrued what I thought was a gentleman's agreement in mafia games. We don't lie about RL. And therefore, we don't accuse others of lying about RL.

If that is not the case, then I'm going to start lying about RL to cover my lurking if that's the way you guys want it, but until now I've been under the impression that this is something that is not done in Malazan mafia.

[Sorrit]

Atrahal, on 05 August 2010 - 03:17 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 05 August 2010 - 03:12 AM, said:

Oh go cry me a river Tulas. Maybe it's the fact that you're such an ass that you're drawing actions?

And I will fucking quit mafia if anyone accuses me of lying about RL. That's a place where people shouldn't fucking go, and I fucking won't put up with it if they do.

Emo-child. It's been done (both the lying and the accusing) before, so if you're going to be a wuss about it you can quit for all I care.

Not to my recollection it hasn't.

I'm sure some jack-fucks have probably done it secretly, but if they want to feel all manly through cheating, they can go ahead.

[Atrahal]

Sorrit, on 05 August 2010 - 03:18 AM, said:

Ok, I don't know if it's a newb thing, or a misconstrued what I thought was a gentleman's agreement in mafia games. We don't lie about RL. And therefore, we don't accuse others of lying about RL.

If that is not the case, then I'm going to start lying about RL to cover my lurking if that's the way you guys want it, but until now I've been under the impression that this is something that is not done in Malazan mafia.

Fixed. And that doesn't cover people who do just claim to be busy anyway. Lurking is perfectly acceptable, and I, personally, have been lynched *despite* RL issues. The fact is we assume you're telling the truth but it amounts to meta, as we can't prove it, and it doesn't change the fact that you were absent. The point isn't that you *might* be lying about RL despite any informal moral/CoC type thoughts, it's that you're claiming RL as if it explains anything/should get you out of things. Which it doesn't.

Sorrit, on 05 August 2010 - 03:19 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 August 2010 - 03:17 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 05 August 2010 - 03:12 AM, said:

Oh go cry me a river Tulas. Maybe it's the fact that you're such an ass that you're drawing actions?

And I will fucking quit mafia if anyone accuses me of lying about RL. That's a place where people shouldn't fucking go, and I fucking won't put up with it if they do.

Emo-child. It's been done (both the lying and the accusing) before, so if you're going to be a wuss about it you can quit for all I care.

Not to my recollection it hasn't.

I'm sure some jack-fucks have probably done it secretly, but if they want to feel all manly through cheating, they can go ahead.

Depends how far back your recollection stretches. I'm pretty confident we had one game where a guy continuously claimed RL difficulty, escaped the lynch, and so survived to win the game, all the while chatting with PS via PM. But that was quite some time back.

[Sorrit]

All RL "gets you out of" is why you're not posting. Lurking is legitimate tactics and I have also lurked before, but I've never claimed RL to cover my lurking. I thought that was a no-no.

Whoever that guy was, would rightfully find people biased against him in the next few games. I'd certainly preserve a vig for that sort of thing. (and no, I don't remember that game)

[Galain]

Alright who the fuck cares. If you have el stuff that's fine but guys it's just mafia so calm the fuck down.

[Sorrit]

I don't care if it's Monopoly, I don't like being accused of (what I thought was) cheating.



edited to add: "what I thought was"

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 05 August 2010 - 03:41 AM

[Atrahal]

Sorrit, on 05 August 2010 - 03:32 AM, said:

All RL "gets you out of" is why you're not posting. Lurking is legitimate tactics and I have also lurked before, but I've never claimed RL to cover my lurking. I thought that was a no-no.

Whoever that guy was, would rightfully find people biased against him in the next few games. I'd certainly preserve a vig for that sort of thing. (and no, I don't remember that game)

How else do you explain any lurking? If you're lurking you're pretending not to be online...which means you're elsewhere. RL *trouble* is slightly different, but that's not really here nor there.

And RL gets you out of not posting. Which could get you out of a lynch or away from the limelight if that's why you've got attention.

And sure, people were all "What the fuck, dude?" but it was still accepted as legitimate play. It just made more low-poster lynches occur for a couple of games (though people still pushed away from that remarkably well..).

[Atrahal]

Galain, on 05 August 2010 - 03:37 AM, said:

Alright who the fuck cares. If you have el stuff that's fine but guys it's just mafia so calm the fuck down.

Sorrit's just upset 'cuz he's a life or two down.

[Sorrit]

It's possible to lurk without invoking RL. One method would be those "Just checking in" posts.

So in a nutshell, you're saying I'm wrong and there is no gentleman's agreement about claiming RL?

Can anyone other than Atrahal weigh in on this?

[Path-Shaper]

I think I would have a heart attack if someone quit Mafia in a game I ran =(

[Anomandaris]

With sorrit on this one. We assume people don't lie about RL.

[Atrahal]

Atrahal, on 05 August 2010 - 03:24 AM, said:

The fact is we assume you're telling the truth but it amounts to meta, as we can't prove it, and it doesn't change the fact that you were absent. The point isn't that you *might* be lying about RL despite any informal moral/CoC type thoughts, it's that you're claiming RL as if it explains anything/should get you out of things. Which it doesn't.

You're agreeing with me, too.

[Anomandaris]

While it may get you out of not-posting, lying about RL is bad form. This has been the case since I started playing. If the lack of posting is going to affect the game too drastically, a modkill should be requested by the player missing the game.

RL excuses do get people out of explanations about lurking, true. However, it's bad form to lie about that. Accusing someone of lying about RL is also bad form.

We don't have any way to tell, and people could take advantage of the trust that we tell the truht about RL. However, we have a pretty good community here, and I hope no-one takes it seriously enough to consider using it as a strategy to win, since it is essentially using the fact that people won't attack RL excuses to win.

So yeah, when someone claims RL, I believe them. If it looks like drastically affecting the game, that is more an issue for the mods than the players.

[Anomandaris]

And I would say it does change the fact of someones absence. It is the difference between a deliberate and non-deliberate absence.

[Atrahal]

Anomandaris, on 05 August 2010 - 04:08 AM, said:

While it may get you out of not-posting, lying about RL is bad form. This has been the case since I started playing. If the lack of posting is going to affect the game too drastically, a modkill should be requested by the player missing the game.

RL excuses do get people out of explanations about lurking, true. However, it's bad form to lie about that. Accusing someone of lying about RL is also bad form.

We don't have any way to tell, and people could take advantage of the trust that we tell the truht about RL. However, we have a pretty good community here, and I hope no-one takes it seriously enough to consider using it as a strategy to win, since it is essentially using the fact that people won't attack RL excuses to win.

So yeah, when someone claims RL, I believe them. If it looks like drastically affecting the game, that is more an issue for the mods than the players.

As I say, it's been done before. In general we believe them, but you forget there is no modkill timer in this game. And I also never actually accused Sorrit of lying, I just said he had a convenient excuse, very much tongue-in-cheek.

[Anomandaris]

De-fuse much?

Whether it's been done before isn't really relevant. It's still assumed people tell the truth about RL. Personally, I think if someone is claiming RL and there's actual evidence against, it should be modkillable, since it's unfair on the players, as it takes advantage of the trust that people aren't lying about it(which I think isn't something we should lose). Certainly I would expect repercussions in SH.

It's a mod issue, rather than a player one, imo.

[Anomandaris]

Anyhow, i'm off. See you all later.

[Atrahal]

Anomandaris, on 05 August 2010 - 04:19 AM, said:

De-fuse much?

Whether it's been done before isn't really relevant. It's still assumed people tell the truth about RL. Personally, I think if someone is claiming RL and there's actual evidence against, it should be modkillable, since it's unfair on the players, as it takes advantage of the trust that people aren't lying about it(which I think isn't something we should lose). Certainly I would expect repercussions in SH.

It's a mod issue, rather than a player one, imo.

Anomandaris, on 05 August 2010 - 04:20 AM, said:

Anyhow, i'm off. See you all later.

Bye bye Ano.

As for defusing...well, we're argue over something that's both pointless and been blown out of proportion by Sorrit's reaction, imo, and as for the rest, well, that's really for the individual mod to decide. As I said, where it's happened in the past, the players were a bit more happy to lynch low-posters in the future, but nothing more than that. Things settle down and are forgotten/forgiven over time, after all.

[Sorrit]

Well, at any rate. In terms of the game, I have now died twice, so you can either decide to finish me off, or push me off as a non-threat for the moment.

Vote Tulas Shorn

because he started the whole "Sorrit's not here so lets lynch him".

OMGUS.

[Sorrit]

And thanks for backing me up Ano, I thought I was starting to imagine things. Maybe Atrahal hails back to ancient times when there was complete lawlessness and I joined the "kinder/gentler" mafia, but I always thought fibbing about RL was bad form.