[The Seguleh 46th]

I have a hunch that Leoman and Dunsparrow (can't remember her first name and whether she was WJ's sister or daughter [thinking sister], but that's besides the point...) are gonna play a part in this next novel, just wondering in what capacity. The bargain they made offscreen with the Queen of Dreams in TBH has me very curious. Simply because we do not know whose side who is on in this collossal war of the Gods. I would blithely assume that since she is Life-aspected, that she would oppose anything to negate existence (seeing as how dreaming needs life to create aforementioned dreamers.....although i could be wrong there as well), and the mentioning of the Tennes witch in the beginning of MOI states that "Burn sleeps to dream" had me going in a few different directions as well, as i'm thinking alot of factors had to go into this Chaining of TCG. And if i remember correct, wasn't Dunsparrow somehow promised to Hood? Or Death-aspected in some way? And now that Hood is "alive again"? How does this change the game? Huh! Loving it!

Basically, getting back on track here, just wanting to hear some theories on the deal Leoman and Dunsparrow made with the Queen of Dreams! And how they could make a possible difference in this sure to be phenomenol conclusion the MBotF series! Thanks!

This post has been edited by The Seguleh 46th: 25 July 2010 - 08:58 AM

[Sindriss]

She was his little sister.

I find it odd that you assume we will get a conclusion to the story. It is entirely possible that we won't get any more info concerning this story.

[MTS]

The Queen of Dreams is allied with Hood, who is firmly against the Crippled God, who stole Felisin Younger from her in Bonehunters. Their deal involves the Crippled God, I'm fairly sure of it. No idea what, but it involves L'oric as well.

[worry]

If there's the convergence of all convergences in TCG, they very well may be involved. And that could mean a WJ/Dunsparrow reunion! Brings a tear to my eye.

[The Seguleh 46th]

 Sindriss, on 25 July 2010 - 09:40 AM, said:

She was his little sister.

I find it odd that you assume we will get a conclusion to the story. It is entirely possible that we won't get any more info concerning this story.

Why not assume there will be a conclusion? You are correct that there very well may not be, and that's fine as well, but it's still okay to want one.

Edit: Oh....i see whatcha meant now! A conclusion to the MBotF? Not what i meant, simply the end of the story for us as readers, on the Erikson end of things anyhow. And on the Dunsparrow/Leoman story, you may be right (hopefully not), but still would be nice to see them again.

This post has been edited by The Seguleh 46th: 25 July 2010 - 11:06 AM

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 MTS, on 25 July 2010 - 09:47 AM, said:

The Queen of Dreams is allied with Hood, who is firmly against the Crippled God, who stole Felisin Younger from her in Bonehunters. Their deal involves the Crippled God, I'm fairly sure of it. No idea what, but it involves L'oric as well.

Aaaah! Forgot that last tidbit of info! Thanks MTS! L'oric is Osserc's son as well, IIRC, so this is shaping up nicely as the mother of all convergances! Sweet!

[Kryphon]

I don't really see how Leoman and Dunsparrow could make a difference at this point. Leoman is a smart tactictian and an able commander, who knows about Dunsparrow, but really... Without a LOT of help or an army of Fokrul Assail to command Leoman has nothing to offer. I think he will be in another series. It is odd how he exited the series last time though.

[The Seguleh 46th]

 Kryphon, on 25 July 2010 - 03:28 PM, said:

I don't really see how Leoman and Dunsparrow could make a difference at this point. Leoman is a smart tactictian and an able commander, who knows about Dunsparrow, but really... Without a LOT of help or an army of Fokrul Assail to command Leoman has nothing to offer. I think he will be in another series. It is odd how he exited the series last time though.

A shaved knuckle in the hole, i'd like to think. Who knows the when, who, why, or how, but i tend to not discount anybody or anything in this series.

[Black Winged Lord]

I'd be fairly interested in knowing how deep QoD's actually involved in this mess, and whether her plans were effected by Rakes passing. If I recall, she traveled with him or Brood before she ascended.

Actually that would be a pretty cool story to learn more about as well.

As for her pawns, i've got a feeling that Leoman and Dunsparrow may end up regretting this deal.

[Leoman of the Flails]

I'm pretty sure Dunsparrow is just a Stage 5 clinger. Wasn't the QoD hoping that Corabb was going to be there

[AlanH]

 MTS, on 25 July 2010 - 09:47 AM, said:

The Queen of Dreams is allied with Hood, who is firmly against the Crippled God, who stole Felisin Younger from her in Bonehunters. Their deal involves the Crippled God, I'm fairly sure of it. No idea what, but it involves L'oric as well.

I'm fairly certain it doesn't actually involve L'oric. I'm in the middle of a series re-read and I'm about halfway through tBH so I'll do some quoting:

Quote

"L'oric, son of Osserc. I seek no geas from you."
"The what do you want"
<other unrelated stuff>
"L'oric. The Role of Sha'ik, the Seer of Dryjhna is... vacant. It needs to be filled-"
<more stuff>
"You have chosen someone?"
"Yes."
"Someone who needs protected?"
"Yes."
"Very well. I accept"

My interpretation of this is that he was asked to do something for the Queen of Dreams, not actually forced into anything or part of any bargain, and I think it's unrelated to the bargain as well, although this is more just my opinion than actually based on anything.

This post has been edited by AlanH: 27 July 2010 - 08:05 PM

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 Leoman of the Flails, on 27 July 2010 - 06:56 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure Dunsparrow is just a Stage 5 clinger. Wasn't the QoD hoping that Corabb was going to be there

I'm not entirely sure there. I think Corabb was essentially on his own, as Leoman asked him to come along, but did not insist (IIRC). Maybe Oponn's latest project? His legendary luck could indicate to be something....although it could be nothing really, just simply a really lucky dude with a crazy ability to survive.

As for Dunsparrow, i have a feeling she was more of the glue that sealed the "deal" or whatever it is in fact. Death-aspected and related to Whiskeyjack/Iskar Jarak (who i personally think is shaping up to replace Hood in the pantheon in the crazy TheoryWorld in my head!)? Definitely some shaved knuckle action going on there from my view anyhow.

[The Seguleh 46th]

 AlanH, on 27 July 2010 - 08:04 PM, said:

 MTS, on 25 July 2010 - 09:47 AM, said:

The Queen of Dreams is allied with Hood, who is firmly against the Crippled God, who stole Felisin Younger from her in Bonehunters. Their deal involves the Crippled God, I'm fairly sure of it. No idea what, but it involves L'oric as well.

I'm fairly certain it doesn't actually involve L'oric. I'm in the middle of a series re-read and I'm about halfway through tBH so I'll do some quoting:

Quote

"L'oric, son of Osserc. I seek no geas from you."
"The what do you want"
<other unrelated stuff>
"L'oric. The Role of Sha'ik, the Seer of Dryjhna is... vacant. It needs to be filled-"
<more stuff>
"You have chosen someone?"
"Yes."
"Someone who needs protected?"
"Yes."
"Very well. I accept"

My interpretation of this is that he was asked to do something for the Queen of Dreams, not actually forced into anything or part of any bargain, and I think it's unrelated to the bargain as well, although this is more just my opinion than actually based on anything.

I think i'm gonna have to agree with you here. Forgot this part. My question is why do they need the Dryjhna role replaced? I thought it was just the scorned wife of Onrack's spirit being a crazy godling bitch? Wouldn't appear to me to be a role that is deemed essential, but i imagine there is a rhyme to the reason over the long haul.....there always is!

[L'oric]

I might have missed if this was added but Dunsparrow was dedicated to Hood and set to be sacrificed before Whiskeyjack and Fiddler saved her.

So throw that wrench into the mix.

Sincerely
L'oric

[HiddenOne]

Here it is -

1. Leoman & Dunsparrow leave QoD and lead that army of Forkrul Assail (this will be awesome)
2. Dunsparrow uses secret ninja skills to off Leoman at a crucial moment, and SuperWhiskey snatches her from the arms of wrathful FA
3. WJ & Duns give Hood a wedgie for old times sake and save Bonehunters from doom with the help of Draconis
4. Corabb uses his lucky charms to extract Quick Ben from certain death in time to summon L'oric, who will bring Kalam & Apsalar along
5. Evil Tool will throw down on all the KCCM, but lose because Kallor and Skinner are hiding in the weeds (backstab for double damage)

Wait...what's the name of this thread again?

[foolio]

 The Seguleh 46th, on 27 July 2010 - 10:15 PM, said:

 Leoman of the Flails, on 27 July 2010 - 06:56 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure Dunsparrow is just a Stage 5 clinger. Wasn't the QoD hoping that Corabb was going to be there

I'm not entirely sure there. I think Corabb was essentially on his own, as Leoman asked him to come along, but did not insist (IIRC). Maybe Oponn's latest project? His legendary luck could indicate to be something....although it could be nothing really, just simply a really lucky dude with a crazy ability to survive.

As for Dunsparrow, i have a feeling she was more of the glue that sealed the "deal" or whatever it is in fact. Death-aspected and related to Whiskeyjack/Iskar Jarak (who i personally think is shaping up to replace Hood in the pantheon in the crazy TheoryWorld in my head!)? Definitely some shaved knuckle action going on there from my view anyhow.

I am almost possitive that the QOD was dissapointed to see Dunsparow and was definately expecting Corabb. I dont have the book handy , but can find quotes if needed. Leoman didnt know that Corabb was important to QOD.

[The Seguleh 46th]

 HiddenOne, on 28 July 2010 - 07:03 PM, said:

Here it is -

1. Leoman & Dunsparrow leave QoD and lead that army of Forkrul Assail (this will be awesome)
2. Dunsparrow uses secret ninja skills to off Leoman at a crucial moment, and SuperWhiskey snatches her from the arms of wrathful FA
3. WJ & Duns give Hood a wedgie for old times sake and save Bonehunters from doom with the help of Draconis
4. Corabb uses his lucky charms to extract Quick Ben from certain death in time to summon L'oric, who will bring Kalam & Apsalar along
5. Evil Tool will throw down on all the KCCM, but lose because Kallor and Skinner are hiding in the weeds (backstab for double damage)

Wait...what's the name of this thread again?

Dude....that is awesome! Kallor and Skinner are now BFFs? Classic

[Excellence]

Ahh, don't forget, corrupted little Felisin is in Seven Cities . . . and end of Toll the Hounds, young Cutter and Spite are returning to Seven Cities. She was his ward, from Bonehunters.

If there's a continuation of storyline there, it will be with Cutter etal.

Do you not agree?

[Kryphon]

I think the WJ/IJ theory of replacing Hood is reasonable and logical, which makes me doubt whether or not ti will actually happen.

Leoman and Dunsparrow makes more sense because of Dunsparrows connection to WJ, however Corabb was a lucky MFer and his presence with Leoman make for a great team. Add to that the fact that he was fiercly loyal to Leoman, while Dunsparrow is a relative unknown, and that gives Leoman another facet of awesome.

QoD seems more evil than anything.. I almost wonder if she is on the CG side. I know her old alliances were with people present at the chainings, but we know so little about QoD thats it's hard to say.

Lastly, I want to see QB become King of All the Gods. Only because he's THAT smart!

[Excellence]

Crimson Guard implied she "deceived" Chainy in the past.