[alt146]

Weave, on 17 September 2010 - 12:03 PM, said:

Hmm we're not discussing it much!
So far the only thing I've taken from it, is that I must be REALLY frigging thick.
Because as a first time reader, Amanda gets some references/clues WAY before I did. I swear Bill must be prepping her, no-ones that insightful, surely!?
Or maybe as she's readinging and taking notes, she's just paying more attention to detail than I, who approached it purely for fun and entertainment, without realising everything was going to be so full of foreshadowing and hidden hints.
I think I'll massage my ego with that scenario, yes.

How's everyone else finding it?

I think the fact the she is reading the series very slowly helps, as do all the people in the comments who point out the throwaway looking lines that actually turn out to be important. She's definitely got a firmer grasp on the series than what I had the first time around. The content of the reread is good, the site itself is horrible. A proper forum like ours would probably be much better suited for to the task.

[Weave]

alt146, on 17 September 2010 - 12:18 PM, said:

I think the fact the she is reading the series very slowly helps, as do all the people in the comments who point out the throwaway looking lines that actually turn out to be important. She's definitely got a firmer grasp on the series than what I had the first time around. The content of the reread is good, the site itself is horrible. A proper forum like ours would probably be much better suited for to the task.

Ah very true about her being led along.
And yes this forum would an absolutely perfect host for such a thing, alas no-one has volunteered. Because yeah the format and endless scrolling over there sucks.

[Salt-Man Z]

I don't mind the layout, but I hate the new (within the past month or so) comment editor with a passion.

[Sanctume]

Steven Erikson has posted some answers in the tor.com page.

http://www.tor.com/b...t-asking#134286

This post has been edited by Sanctume: 12 October 2010 - 04:58 PM

[Puck]

And they're awesome. And scary, if I may add.

[Defiance]

Awesome.

I found it very interesting that Tavore is his favorite character.

Spoiler

Given SE's love for tragedy, it makes me think that, despite the fact that she's more or less sacrificed everything, she's going to fail and die. Or, perhaps even if she succeeds in freeing Kaminsod and ends up saving the world, her name will live on in infamy forever.

[Puck]

The latter, I think. Spiraling back to her 'What we're going to do will go unwitnessed'-speach back in.. uh.. RG? Also connects to what SE said about looking for echoes of past scenes in tCG.

[IreneGallo]

Hi guys,
Just a quick heads up, Steve and Cam will be answering questions today at 2:30EST. You can stack up questions here:
http://www.tor.com/b...in-conversation
Or stop by in a few hours and ask while we are live. Not sure how long they will run but I suspect they will continue to chime in past the event.

[Steve Halter]

ICE's replies to questions are up on the Tor Blog:
ICE's responses

[Hetan]

There's quite an interesting rant from our favourite author on the latest selection - do read

[HoosierDaddy]

It's fairly amazing. We often find the brightest light comes from being in the dark for so long. It's fairly amazing that a person would miss the bits and bobs of good emotions (hope) that are so evident as long as you don't lock them out.

[Puck]

'Interesting' is the word that fits best, I think. Really, I can't believe even now some people need to get all this laid out before them in so much detail to finally relax [I'd like to say 'to finally understand', but that'd imply that there's only one true opinion]. Come one, people, there such a thing as over-analyzing as well and it's sad when this keeps one from enjoying the books.

Also, 'must reads', my ass, as if I'd need someone to chew the books' contents for me.

But I'm glad SE chimes in every now and then at the re-read. Though I imagine it can't be all fun to constantly having to tell [certain] people to chill just f*cking read on instead of wasting their time with whatever they're claiming to know without having read more than four books. While this argument is becoming somewhat grinding to read I'm glad for the snippets of reason and insight we get from SE and those readers [thankfully, the majority] that keep brightening my days.

Anyway, thanks to pointing to it, Hetan, just what I needed to start the day

This post has been edited by Puck: 24 December 2010 - 11:16 AM

[Hetan]

*start of rant* From a personal point I am just about getting sick to death with one particular poster on there, pontificating and basically talking through their own arse without having completed the series to date. The speculation on Pust (the read is on Deadhouse Gates currently) at this juncture of the series is just total bollocks and he's just making himself look like a damned fool. There is so much more to Pust than we know at this point.
For me this person is really destroying my whole re-read experience with extravagantly long posts of just pure fucking waffle. Their contribution is zero and is a tasteless distraction. I'm not sure if their own sense of their own self-importance is the issue or just plain arrogant stupidity. I just wish there was a decent moderator on there to tell that person to just chill the fuck out. *end of rant*

I am posting this here because I'm cross

[BridgeBurner]

Hetan, on 29 December 2010 - 04:05 PM, said:

*start of rant* From a personal point I am just about getting sick to death with one particular poster on there, pontificating and basically talking through their own arse without having completed the series to date. The speculation on Pust (the read is on Deadhouse Gates currently) at this juncture of the series is just total bollocks and he's just making himself look like a damned fool. There is so much more to Pust than we know at this point.
For me this person is really destroying my whole re-read experience with extravagantly long posts of just pure fucking waffle. Their contribution is zero and is a tasteless distraction. I'm not sure if their own sense of their own self-importance is the issue or just plain arrogant stupidity. I just wish there was a decent moderator on there to tell that person to just chill the fuck out. *end of rant*

I am posting this here because I'm cross

I'm with you, Hetan. I usually don't read his posts anymore, but the Pust thing stood out to me. (I'm Fiddler, there).

Don't let him spoil it for you. Try and scroll over it, fast...

[flea]

Hetan, on 29 December 2010 - 04:05 PM, said:

*start of rant* From a personal point I am just about getting sick to death with one particular poster on there, pontificating and basically talking through their own arse without having completed the series to date. The speculation on Pust (the read is on Deadhouse Gates currently) at this juncture of the series is just total bollocks and he's just making himself look like a damned fool. There is so much more to Pust than we know at this point.
For me this person is really destroying my whole re-read experience with extravagantly long posts of just pure fucking waffle. Their contribution is zero and is a tasteless distraction. I'm not sure if their own sense of their own self-importance is the issue or just plain arrogant stupidity. I just wish there was a decent moderator on there to tell that person to just chill the fuck out. *end of rant*

I am posting this here because I'm cross

I sure hope this person is somewhere in his first year of college -- the sheer self-centeredness of the person is breathtaking, and only excusable based on immaturity. He's a variety of drama queen who insists on making himself the center of attention. Normally I would advise skipping the posts, but he sucks in so much attention.

[Spiridon_Deannis]

flea, on 29 December 2010 - 06:12 PM, said:

Hetan, on 29 December 2010 - 04:05 PM, said:

*start of rant* From a personal point I am just about getting sick to death with one particular poster on there, pontificating and basically talking through their own arse without having completed the series to date. The speculation on Pust (the read is on Deadhouse Gates currently) at this juncture of the series is just total bollocks and he's just making himself look like a damned fool. There is so much more to Pust than we know at this point.
For me this person is really destroying my whole re-read experience with extravagantly long posts of just pure fucking waffle. Their contribution is zero and is a tasteless distraction. I'm not sure if their own sense of their own self-importance is the issue or just plain arrogant stupidity. I just wish there was a decent moderator on there to tell that person to just chill the fuck out. *end of rant*

I am posting this here because I'm cross

I sure hope this person is somewhere in his first year of college -- the sheer self-centeredness of the person is breathtaking, and only excusable based on immaturity. He's a variety of drama queen who insists on making himself the center of attention. Normally I would advise skipping the posts, but he sucks in so much attention.

Are we talking about the same person that posts at ME under the same name ?
If yes, oh boy...

[amphibian]

Hetan, on 29 December 2010 - 04:05 PM, said:

For me this person is really destroying my whole re-read experience with extravagantly long posts of just pure fucking waffle. Their contribution is zero and is a tasteless distraction. I'm not sure if their own sense of their own self-importance is the issue or just plain arrogant stupidity. I just wish there was a decent moderator on there to tell that person to just chill the fuck out. *end of rant*

The thing about that specific person is that despite being extremely abrasive and so wrong about so many things that nearly everyone corrects him, the actions of that person have led to some very interesting posts from Erikson. I dislike the tactics, but I don't entirely hate the results. I admire Erikson and the other participants for not losing their shit and being mature enough to respond on the merits and correct when needed. That's exactly the response that should happen.

Quote

*start of rant* From a personal point I am just about getting sick to death with one particular poster on there, pontificating and basically talking through their own arse without having completed the series to date. The speculation on Pust (the read is on Deadhouse Gates currently) at this juncture of the series is just total bollocks and he's just making himself look like a damned fool. There is so much more to Pust than we know at this point.

The impression I get is that this person very frequently has no idea that he is wrong, attempts to apply sophisticated tools of analysis to a self-imposed incomplete picture, extrapolates too much and tries to fancy up his thoughts to the point of losing meaning and comprehension in the reader. Irritating combination.

How to deal with it? Be slow to anger, channel the anger into corrections of the worst errors and try to support those who are participating in the right ways as much as possible.

On the brighter side, this re-read is going to be insanely nice to have as a research compendium or wiki source. Just a great, great communal effort and brilliant project.

[Puck]

Spiridon_Deannis, on 29 December 2010 - 07:29 PM, said:

Are we talking about the same person that posts at ME under the same name ?
If yes, oh boy...

..well, who else has been told to chill out already and read on but still doesn't get the message? *sigh*

That's one way to get your name known all over the internet, at least.

[Spiridon_Deannis]

Puck, on 29 December 2010 - 08:36 PM, said:

Spiridon_Deannis, on 29 December 2010 - 07:29 PM, said:

Are we talking about the same person that posts at ME under the same name ?
If yes, oh boy...

That's one way to get your name known all over the internet, at least.

Yep.
Even if it results in being dedicated a voodoo wax doll with lots and lots of needles stuck into it. But notorious you do get...

[HoosierDaddy]

Ha. I stopped reading the Tor Re-read comments because I couldn't fucking take it anymore.