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There was also a reference in HoC, iirc, where Kalam or QB finds large, inhuman footprints which he attibutes to Hood being physically present at the Whirlwind camp.
There are certainly many indicators that Hoodie's a Jaghut, BUT...
...in MoI, when QB reaches thru Talamanfredmandas and grabs Hood, Hood's response seems rather human, not Jaghut in the style of the ones we've seen elsewhere. Altho the Jaghut Karsa met in the Odhan was fairly atypical as well.
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Who is Hood?
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 09:58 AM
We know for sure that there was a Jaghut who wasn't Hood and whose family was slain by the Imass (okay, we dont know it FOR SURE but it's as good as).
What we don't know for sure is whether Duiker saw exactly him before dying or someone else (the Hood-Jaghut in queston). However, given the context, the former was, methinks, implied.
What we don't know for sure is whether Duiker saw exactly him before dying or someone else (the Hood-Jaghut in queston). However, given the context, the former was, methinks, implied.
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 05:38 AM
IIRC, from DG, Duiker sees a vision of Hood as a Jaghut with a scarred face. And don't we meet Gothos in an Azath house at one point, and no mention is made of his face being scarred.
I dunno tho...it's been a year since my last read so I could be making all of that up...
I dunno tho...it's been a year since my last read so I could be making all of that up...
OK, I think I got it, but just in case, can you say the whole thing over again? I wasn't really listening.
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 03:57 AM
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Posted 28 June 2005 - 09:22 AM
It may also be a reference to death in Leth (say that five times fast) being arrested by Gothos' ice ritual in the prologue.
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Posted 10 July 2005 - 08:46 AM
Norse underworld was cold and icy. SE wants to keep us guessing by giving conflicting views of Hood and his realm.
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Posted 09 July 2005 - 09:31 PM
Ice Throne is the first position in the Ice Hold. So I interpret "upon the throne of ice sits Death" to mean that Hood is Ice Throne. Obviously the other Jaghut would know him then. The Jaghut don't seem to have any form of government, but Ice Throne, if not ruler of the Jaghut, is clearly someone important and powerful. Powerful enough to make Death his realm. Also what could be a better way to escape the T'lan Imass than the warren of Death, where the undead are forever denied.
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 06:22 AM
Yeah, those discussions were a bit before my time though.
Anyway, why couldn't that Jaghut spirit be Hood? Do we know for sure that he isn't?
Time to re-read!
Anyway, why couldn't that Jaghut spirit be Hood? Do we know for sure that he isn't?
Time to re-read!
OK, I think I got it, but just in case, can you say the whole thing over again? I wasn't really listening.
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 06:06 AM
The Hood-Jaghut theory was a running thread across the forums, wasnt it? Anyway, I think it was mostly agreed that Duiker's vision was of the Jaghut spirit whose family was killed (recall the visions of Corporal..er.. List? Lull? whomever served Duiker).
However, Raest's and Gethol's comments certainly lead to some jaghutish conclusions..
However, Raest's and Gethol's comments certainly lead to some jaghutish conclusions..
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 12:11 AM
I had the feeling that Hood isn't who he is supposed to be- or at least is someone different than who he was.
A couple of things point at this. Firstly, Hood hasn't made an appearance at all so far, only his servant when Paran was about to pass through the gate. He does come to get Bruk, but not much description on what he looks like other than a shadow.
I can't remember who- think it may be Silchas- but someone says of Hood: 'And he is still alive?' They seemed suprised.
And thirdly, when Gethol is thrown out by hood he says, 'Ah hood, I know who you are now.. the irony...'
I have a strange feeling about who Hood is? Anyone else?
A couple of things point at this. Firstly, Hood hasn't made an appearance at all so far, only his servant when Paran was about to pass through the gate. He does come to get Bruk, but not much description on what he looks like other than a shadow.
I can't remember who- think it may be Silchas- but someone says of Hood: 'And he is still alive?' They seemed suprised.
And thirdly, when Gethol is thrown out by hood he says, 'Ah hood, I know who you are now.. the irony...'
I have a strange feeling about who Hood is? Anyone else?
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Posted 10 July 2005 - 03:20 PM
I may be the only one, but this whole thread has caused me to conclude that Hood is a Forkrul Assail. (Why? The biggest reason is that all of the FA we've seen so far seem bent on killing everyone. To bring peace, or calm, or whatnot. And since the FA appear to be immortal -- to the extent that denying them food for hundreds of millennia doesn't cause them to die -- perhaps Hood was the first FA to introduce the concept of death to the world.)
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Posted 10 July 2005 - 06:51 PM
i would like to just throw something into the fray...cough cough
In GoTM while Paran is walking in the sword he meets with Draconus, the elder god, when this guy is surprised by something his curse is "Gethol's Breath", much like the human curse of "Hood's breath".
Now i know that Gethol is not hood, but he is a jaghut, and this may imply that SE wanted hood to be a jaghut, but wanted to use gethol as a character in another way later on...another GoTMism...or it could simply mean Gethol had really bad breath when Draconus met him...who knows
In GoTM while Paran is walking in the sword he meets with Draconus, the elder god, when this guy is surprised by something his curse is "Gethol's Breath", much like the human curse of "Hood's breath".
Now i know that Gethol is not hood, but he is a jaghut, and this may imply that SE wanted hood to be a jaghut, but wanted to use gethol as a character in another way later on...another GoTMism...or it could simply mean Gethol had really bad breath when Draconus met him...who knows
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 03:52 AM
quote:I reckon Hood is a really old Jaghut, given that (ok, can't be arsed looking up quotations) Raest knows of him fairly well, Gethol seems rather familiar with him.
The thought has struck me as well.
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Posted 10 July 2005 - 07:17 AM
You know what though, so far what ever view we've had of Hood's realm has had to do with heat. In Gardens of the Moon when we Paran enters his relam, its all hot and what not. In Memories of Ice when Hood tries to do, whatever it was to Quick Ben, it was through heat. Would it not be perfect irony if Hood were Imass?
Then again I could just be talking crazy there, but how is that different from another time?
Then again I could just be talking crazy there, but how is that different from another time?
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 11:13 AM
It occurs to me that he could be a Jaghut who possessed another being. We've seen Raest and the Pannion Seer do that.
The fact that Gethol, until he was recruited to the HoC, was in HHDeath, may be relevant.
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 02:55 AM
I reckon Hood is a really old Jaghut, given that (ok, can't be arsed looking up quotations) Raest knows of him fairly well, Gethol seems rather familiar with him.
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 11:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by smallpoet:
it was raest who wondered if hood was still alive when wondering if anyone in the world could oppose him i think
Minor detail only, it was Raest but he was wondering who K'rul was. ('You remind me of Hood, is Death Wanderer still alive', something like that)
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Posted 10 July 2005 - 12:52 PM
quote:Also what could be a better way to escape the T'lan Imass than the warren of Death, where the undead are forever denied.
Hood was known by the time of Raest. The Imass were not undead.
I think you're interpreting what is meant to be a metaphor in a too literal way.
On the other hand it COULD be a pun nod to Hood being a Jaghut (since there are other hints, after all), but I think thats all there is to it.
