[Panador]

Ah yeah, forgot about that, they mentioned the Deadhouse as a good base of operations, figures the others would live there as well. Seems only Kellanved and Dancer were the only ones "accepted" by the House though, otherwise Surly would surely have tried to make use of the House as well after she took the Throne.

[Sinisdar Toste]

well they were perhaps the only ones who dared the mysteries of the azath, none of the others were mages, so maybe they were not as interested, or didn't have the means to fully exploit the azath's potential.

[Hetan]

@panador - I think you were the first one to mention the 100 years figure so you must have thought that for some reason ?

Regarding shadowthrone being pissed at QB - yes it was specifically mentioned by Dancer to Lostara during that whole scene you were talking about.

There were a number of the family that lived in the Deadhouse for a while, but not all were mages.

[Abalieno]

I'm having some huge confusion here.

In that scene in GotM Shadowthrone doesn't recognize Quick Ben. Maybe he disguised himself before entering the warren, but we have Sorry outside, so Cotillion. And he's passed the last few years observing them. ST knows, through Cotillion/Sorry being there after the battle at Pale, that QB saved Hairlock through the use of some fancy magic.

How can all this get wrapped up? If QB only disguised himself before going to meet ST then it means ST knows well who QB is, since Sorry is with them. Otherwise we have QB who disguised himself for the whole time and since he left his position in House Shadow in order to not get tracked. But it's quite weird that Cotillion didn't figure that out after years passed with them.

At the same time, if ST is aware of QB, but QB disguised himself just before going to meet ST, that ST should have easily recognized QB anyway, knowing that Hairlock master was probably him.

Big confusion.

[Hetan]

Well firstly Sorry quite clearly says to QB in the scene where he transmogrified Hairlock ‘I don’t know what you’ve done, Wizard. I felt you keeping me away. That was unkind.’ So Cotillion didn't know what had been done. All he would have seen was a dead Hairlock and Kalam holding some sacking.

In the scene where QB confronts ST - Sorry/Cotillion wasn't there. She was out looking for the assassins in the city and only returned after QB came back. The only people who knew what what QB was trying to do were Kalam and Whiskeyjack. I do think that QB disguised himself, as he went through the warren of chaos and it's possible that ST thought that HE was the one who had been dipping in and out of the shadow realm.
ST says ‘And if I were to lay my powers upon you now, Wizard? If I were to wring whatever lies hidden in that frail brain of yours, how would you prevent me?’ So it's quite clear he hasn't penetrated any disguise and doesn't know who QB is until the end. It's also clearly not the first time QB has tricked him this way.

[Panador]

Hetan, on 28 September 2010 - 08:50 PM, said:

@panador - I think you were the first one to mention the 100 years figure so you must have thought that for some reason ?

Regarding shadowthrone being pissed at QB - yes it was specifically mentioned by Dancer to Lostara during that whole scene you were talking about.

There were a number of the family that lived in the Deadhouse for a while, but not all were mages.

No, as I said, I did not name that first, I specifically wondered about when it happened because so many things did not add up. From the descriptions in the book it cannot have been too far in the past, but from the major players involved - Envy, Rake etc. - I thought it had been hundreds of years ago, at the least.
This is where the 100 years figure came from. I did mention it had been said earlier in the thread, you could have just looked it up...

Sinisdar Toste, on 27 September 2010 - 06:53 PM, said:

also, the last chaining is estimated to be around 100 yrs before pale, iirc. so dancers presence is only confusing in that all the gods and ascendants assembled either allowed, or didn't know he was present. unless dancer was already ascendant then which, while possible, is impossible to prove.

[Hetan]

Finally found the quote I was looking for (I love the wiki) -

The Last Mortal Sword of Fener’s Reve was Fanald
of Cawn Vor, who was killed in the Chaining. The
last Boar-cloaked Destriant was Ipshank of Korelri,
who vanished during the Last Flight of Manask on
the Stratem Icefields. Another waited to claim that
title, but was cast out from the temple before it
came to him, and that man’s name has been stricken
from all records. It is known, however, that he was
from Unta; that he had begun his days as a cutpurse
living on its foul streets, and that his casting out
from the temple was marked by the singular
punishment of Fener’s Reve . . .
Temple Lives
Birrin Thund
(MoI, UK Trade, p.392)

So this quote refers to Heboric - the claimant, and we know that his hands were cut off by Surly, so one can deduce from this - and the timing of Dassems' break with Hood - that the last chaining happened quite recently.