[Rashan]

Cool.

What shall we do now? Any thoughts?

[Silanah]

Well, I think we should take a closer look at some of the controversy that has surrounded the last day and a half. So I'm going to do some re-reading.

[Rashan]

Controversy being the Galain thing?

[Silanah]

Well, I'm looking at the Korv train, the aftermath of his lynch, Shadow's Kaschan play and the subsequent jump on Galain. Meanas' vote on you struck me as odd as well, so I'm gonna look at that.

[Rashan]

Oh right, so going back a bit farther to where it all sort of started.

I'll go take a look through some older stuff from near the start of the game.

[Rashan]

Hey, what happened to Mockra?

After this:

Mockra, on 20 May 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:

mmihweihoirwehtieqhtiurehtiqwhitwitouh.

- Tapper.

Nothing for 4 days. He's still alive and on the player list, so what the hell is up with that?

[Rashan]

He's STILL our highest poster, too.

[Rashan]

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 07:59 AM, said:

Whoever said I should read through the last 7 pr 8 pages, I hate you.

A couple things,

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Also last game, we got no NKs because the killer hit a BP every night for the first 3 nights. I doubt we will as lucky this time but you never know.

Thirdly.. where the hell are the scenes Mods? They were awesome in the first game, and I demand you do some for this game!

Alright, this may be retreading old ground, but you clearly knew in the last game that people who were scum/syndicate can CF as a nationality such as French. So while I appreciate the basis of your argument the logic you've used in some places like not knowing the difference between nationality and alignment is still iffy, Galain...

[Rashan]

Mockra, on 19 May 2010 - 11:31 PM, said:

We also need to start posting some more if we want to get to Level 2 by tonight. I think the plan we had was to level up fast without too many deaths in order to have a larger pool of higher leveled town, but I do agree with speculation that scum may have some serious fire power down the road.

We're about 300ish posts away. I'll try to get a good dearth in tonight and tomorrow, but I can't do it alone.

I also think we should strongly consider a lynch today.

Wants to level up fast, but slight caution on the scum powers.

Mockra, on 20 May 2010 - 05:56 PM, said:

In the last game, Bent got a single-usage Day-Kill at Level 3.

And really, if I didn't post so much, someone else probably would. You probably should be glad there's a few pages in the thread with garbage posts because it's actually easier for you to catch up on 10+ pages at a time if you can just skim them. If every post was full of insightful commentary, you'd have a hard time catching up wading through the vast amount of cases and theories.

Justifying his high post count.

Mockra, on 20 May 2010 - 05:41 PM, said:

Meanas, on 20 May 2010 - 05:32 PM, said:

Look at the post count there is:
Mockra at159
Kaschan 135
Silanah 117

The fourth highest posting player is Galayn Lord at 47 posts.

I mean I just read what was like 7 or more pages of spam about herpes and so forth. How many of those posts of the top three posters are really useful posts and not just spam. In 2 days I could not come up with a 100 posts that are actually worth the amount of time and webspace that they use for a game of mafia. I'll be lucky to make 10 posts of that quality where I'm arguing a case and so forth in the current circumstances.

If those posts aren't spam how much spare time do you guys have to post over a 100 serious posts in 2 game days?

Hey, I've condemned the useless spam, too. I think you'll find my posts have probably had more content and discussion than just about everyone.

I want to level as much as the next guy and, yes, I really do have a lot of free time to help make that happen. It's not a crime to want to level. Everyone has abilities that will help their team win.

Doesn't want useless spam, but wants to level and it's not a bad thing.

Mockra, on 20 May 2010 - 05:57 PM, said:

Hood, on 20 May 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

I have to agree with meanas here. We might not want to push the level threshold right away.

No matter, I've got to run. I've been sitting here too long as it is.

I already agreed with that. It's a thread decision to make. I'm not entirely sure we want to push it today since we did get an early/free level.

But (immediately after) isn't sure he wants to push the leveling?

Not a major contradiction here, but still strange, especially from our highest posting and suddenly disappearing member...

[Rashan]

Ruse, on 20 May 2010 - 02:16 PM, said:

I've finished catching up here and am with people in the fact that we need to move this game along and lynch somebody.

Unfortunately, it's still feels like a day 1 semi-random vote. I was deciding between Korv and Meanas as the two most useless members of our little society when everyone started piling on Korv. I'm cool with that if you need my vote after we hit 1000. Either one really, or someone with a, you know, case against them, of course. I'll check in periodically throughout the day.

To be quite honest, it still feels a bit to me like any vote we pursue today will be a bit random. We've got more info and potential targets than before, but the game really hasn't moved along that much from the day one state. At least it doesn't appear to have unless a lot of people are talking off thread. Which is, well, quite likely given the ability to form lover bonds and the fact the Yanks have completed their win condition.

[Serc]

Rashan, on 24 May 2010 - 09:32 AM, said:

Mockra, on 19 May 2010 - 11:31 PM, said:

We also need to start posting some more if we want to get to Level 2 by tonight. I think the plan we had was to level up fast without too many deaths in order to have a larger pool of higher leveled town, but I do agree with speculation that scum may have some serious fire power down the road.

We're about 300ish posts away. I'll try to get a good dearth in tonight and tomorrow, but I can't do it alone.

I also think we should strongly consider a lynch today.

Wants to level up fast, but slight caution on the scum powers.

Mockra, on 20 May 2010 - 05:56 PM, said:

In the last game, Bent got a single-usage Day-Kill at Level 3.

And really, if I didn't post so much, someone else probably would. You probably should be glad there's a few pages in the thread with garbage posts because it's actually easier for you to catch up on 10+ pages at a time if you can just skim them. If every post was full of insightful commentary, you'd have a hard time catching up wading through the vast amount of cases and theories.

Justifying his high post count.

Mockra, on 20 May 2010 - 05:41 PM, said:

Meanas, on 20 May 2010 - 05:32 PM, said:

Look at the post count there is:
Mockra at159
Kaschan 135
Silanah 117

The fourth highest posting player is Galayn Lord at 47 posts.

I mean I just read what was like 7 or more pages of spam about herpes and so forth. How many of those posts of the top three posters are really useful posts and not just spam. In 2 days I could not come up with a 100 posts that are actually worth the amount of time and webspace that they use for a game of mafia. I'll be lucky to make 10 posts of that quality where I'm arguing a case and so forth in the current circumstances.

If those posts aren't spam how much spare time do you guys have to post over a 100 serious posts in 2 game days?

Hey, I've condemned the useless spam, too. I think you'll find my posts have probably had more content and discussion than just about everyone.

I want to level as much as the next guy and, yes, I really do have a lot of free time to help make that happen. It's not a crime to want to level. Everyone has abilities that will help their team win.

Doesn't want useless spam, but wants to level and it's not a bad thing.

Mockra, on 20 May 2010 - 05:57 PM, said:

Hood, on 20 May 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

I have to agree with meanas here. We might not want to push the level threshold right away.

No matter, I've got to run. I've been sitting here too long as it is.

I already agreed with that. It's a thread decision to make. I'm not entirely sure we want to push it today since we did get an early/free level.

But (immediately after) isn't sure he wants to push the leveling?

Not a major contradiction here, but still strange, especially from our highest posting and suddenly disappearing member...

I thought we agreed it was fairly likely that Mockra was the woman we saw tied up in a car, or am i making that up? :S

Anyway, am gonna try and read up now as my exams are over and i have a bit more time.

[Rashan]

@Serc - for four days? Without a word? Without a modkill? Pretty sweet ride, imo.

[Galain]

Rashan, on 24 May 2010 - 09:20 AM, said:

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 07:59 AM, said:

Whoever said I should read through the last 7 pr 8 pages, I hate you.

A couple things,

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Also last game, we got no NKs because the killer hit a BP every night for the first 3 nights. I doubt we will as lucky this time but you never know.

Thirdly.. where the hell are the scenes Mods? They were awesome in the first game, and I demand you do some for this game!

Alright, this may be retreading old ground, but you clearly knew in the last game that people who were scum/syndicate can CF as a nationality such as French. So while I appreciate the basis of your argument the logic you've used in some places like not knowing the difference between nationality and alignment is still iffy, Galain...

Woo game is back!

Let me address this. I was labouring foolishly under the impression that while there might be symps, that the syndicate would be their own seperate thing group thing, and we'd know just by knowing faction that would clear them from being syndicate, but not being a symp. And at this point we would be hunting syndicate down. So when Shadow voted someone for being European and made no mention of symp or in fact because they were scummy at all, I was like WTF is going on. Thats what I was refering to by having "proper symps", i.e a normal set up, with symps in the factions and the actual syndicate killing squad their own seperate group.


In a normal game, we'd be hunting the Killers, and if someone had come back Town (I.e I thought having a faction was town) they weren't going to be syndicate, at worse symp.

I'm sure it was pointed out on thread, and I think I speed read a couple of posts and got confused by what was going on and what people was saying, but didn't want to appear confused on thread and look silly, and I thought I knew what was going on and others were confused. Its so much better finding out this way though how wrong I am. It doesn't make me look silly at all.

[Serc]

Rashan, on 24 May 2010 - 09:39 AM, said:

@Serc - for four days? Without a word? Without a modkill? Pretty sweet ride, imo.

Well didnt we get the scene at the start of this day? So its not that unlikely that the silence lasts for the whole day.

[Rashan]

Haha, alright Galain. Still, Shadow's original voting premise was that the Europeans are winning and hence you'd want to hamper them so your own faction to win, which I agree is strange talk, even if it makes sense for the other factions to follow up. It could also have been a ploy to lure out the Syndicate, as they are the most likely to want to lynch a known nationality (therefore giving a higher chance of being of that alignment) player.

[Rashan]

@Serc, sure, the forum downtime and weekend break probably played merry hell with the setup. It just struck me as odd when using the search feature someone hadn't posted for that amount of RL time in a 24 hour game and 0 hour nights.

[Path-Shaper]

The bald man i the coarse clothes waited for her at the cigarette machine. "Number D3," he said. She scowled. "What he fuck, are you clairvoyant or something?"
"Merely observing that you dismissed all lightly colored packages at once, and looked for a red one."
"Fucking hell, you a detective or something?"
"Observation is not tied to police work, but to inner rest."
"Yeah, sorry. Look, let me get those ciggies and we'll talk, I feel antsy without them."

~~

She had no difficulty finding the men she was looking for. Hungry, good for nothing, camping under the blue sheaths in the park. Not hungry or bad enough to do intend anything other than earning the reward she promised them, though. All she could do now, was sit and wait, and she intended to do so comfortably. Star Bucks was never far away in Tokyo.

~~

The small man in the checkered shirt arrived at the station, dragging a massive trolley behind him with one hand, rapidly texting on his cell-phone with the other. It hadn't been easy to find the number of someone who wouldn't be found and did everything he could to discourage people fining him, but he thought he had it. When he was finished texting, he bought a ticket for Kyoto.

Somewhere in a trash can in Roppongi, a phone received a rather puzzling message.

~~

The man in the smooth silk shirt leaned back in the business class seat and pulled the little black mask over his eyes. The flight wouldn't take long, but he was determined to spend it in meditation and restore some of the mental reserves he had lost.

~~

that should be all

[Silanah]

Over the last couple of days Shadow has been a complete mystery to me. I've had my eye on him ever since his vote on Emurlahn, and ever since he's just become more and more shady in my eyes (double entendre!) I've also seen GL strangely following his lead a few times, so felt it behooved me to take a closer look at his posts.

Shadow, on 20 May 2010 - 03:07 AM, said:

Well since even the mods are heading out, I think I will as well: need to clean up the house a bit before going tobed. Though there is lots of time left and I'm pretty sure I'll be able to logon during my lunch break tomorrow, I'm going to Vote Emurlahn because he has been very active today without providing much use, imo. Scene commentary had already been done and that was about it from him. Granted that goes for a lot of people but none of them tried to give me Herpes...

This is the vote on Emurlahn I was talking about. He votes him for being active but not much use. What is strange about it is that the very same accusation could be made against Shadow - all he'd contributed content-wise to this point was one piece of speculation about the dummy alt and some comment on how useful the scenes would be (which had been done already). Then comes a more suspicious post:

Shadow, on 20 May 2010 - 02:47 PM, said:

That's quite the pile up on Korvalain but it seems perfectly justified to me. Face it Korv, saying that there was only spam going on when you were on just isn't a good excuse. Spam gains us levels and everyone wants their delicious upper-level abilities so at the very least you could have added to the spam, if not turned the thread to meaningful conversation. But instead you sat and lurked and accumulated only your three little posts. Vote Korvalain Better luck next time. Edit: crosspost with the above two saying the same thing.

He votes Korvalain for a very similar reason to that of Emurlahn, maybe because he realised the train on Korv already had some traction in Fener, D'riss, Eloth and myself. The first clause of the first sentence is arguably a subtle insinuation that there's something suspicious about the start of Korv's train,but is happy to go along for the ride. It's the last sentence that intrigues me though. That's an awfully certain stance that Korvalain will get lynched when he was at, what, L-7? This despite the fact that a suspect with an arguable case only gathered three votes the day prior, and as Ruse pointed out, Korv was really just a semi-random choice of a low-poster by Fener.

Shadow, on 20 May 2010 - 02:50 PM, said:

Serc, on 20 May 2010 - 02:49 PM, said:

On the Korv thing, im not too sold on it right now, though we probably should lynch today so if nothing else presents itself i'll probably add my vote later but i want to see if anyone makes any slips before hand as we've still got a bit of time left, so we might as well use it.

Of course, of course. That and get plenty of posts to potentially reach Level 2. But with 12 votes needed, it's no danger to have 6 or 7 votes on him already.

Shadow, on 20 May 2010 - 02:55 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 May 2010 - 02:53 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 20 May 2010 - 02:50 PM, said:

PS

Omtose is chinese and kaschan is european.

Have fun.

Well here's your chance to contribute. Do tell mores.

Remove vote.

Don't encourage him. Besides, we seem to be getting far more information and usefulness from threatening him than anything else, I say drive him up to 8 votes and see what he squeals (which is nothing as he's already spilled everything he knows, as is evidenced from the scenes).

This in my mind is the most incriminating piece of play in the entire Korv lynch. Shadow says it's no danger to bring Korvalain to L-4 (note what actually happened), and when SL removed a vote on Korvalain Shadow immediately goes 'no, don't do that, let's drive him up to 8 votes which will be so useful because we can learn the nothing that he knows'. In what universe is that even remotely logical or perfectly innocent?

Galayn Lord, on 20 May 2010 - 03:01 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Korvalain
I hope that works. Let's hear a defense Korv

GL goes along blindly with the illogic.

Shadow, on 20 May 2010 - 03:12 PM, said:

Silanah, on 20 May 2010 - 03:02 PM, said:

Shadow, on 20 May 2010 - 02:55 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 May 2010 - 02:53 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 20 May 2010 - 02:50 PM, said:

PS

Omtose is chinese and kaschan is european.

Have fun.

Well here's your chance to contribute. Do tell mores.

Remove vote.

Don't encourage him. Besides, we seem to be getting far more information and usefulness from threatening him than anything else, I say drive him up to 8 votes and see what he squeals (which is nothing as he's already spilled everything he knows, as is evidenced from the scenes).

You're saying don't encourage him, but then say we should find out some more of what he knows?

I'm saying don't encourage him to be helpful and communicative, that clearly has failed already. Threatening him with a lynch seems to be working far better and requires no encouragement.

But honestly I don't think he's got any more to say. My post was partially in jest.

After some confusion on my part as to exactly what he was trying to achieve there, he says that it's far more effective than trying to get Korv to expound more on his info, offer an explanation or put up a defense. Then he just shrugs it off as being a joke. If it was, it wasn't very funny...

EDIT - spelling, syntax, spacing etc.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 24 May 2010 - 10:42 AM

[Silanah]

Shadow, on 20 May 2010 - 03:46 PM, said:

PS, are those votes supposed to be in that order? Don't they usually show in the order they were cast?

Something is not right here...

Immediately after the Korv lynch, the first thing Shadow comments is the order of the votes, doesn't even mention the fact that we had two people on the train who didn't actually vote.

Shadow, on 20 May 2010 - 04:01 PM, said:

Okay so what is weird to me is that when Galayn Lord votes he appears 2nd in the list instead of at the end. When Sheltatha Lore and Eloth follow, they appear behind Galayn as well.

Rashan appearing on the end is not able but not weird to me: someone probably used an ability on him to make him vote and since he hadn't it appeared at day's end.

Again comments on the order first, and follows up with a quotefest of the votes that lynched Korv. Engages in some obvious speculation, and then goes 'oh yeah, Rashan's vote isn't weird at all - someone obviously has an hitherto unknown ability that does it'. Meanas' strange vote doesn't look like it's even worth mentioning at this point.

Shadow, on 20 May 2010 - 05:04 PM, said:

Tellan, on 20 May 2010 - 04:59 PM, said:

More wierdness!

OK, so I'm guessing someone's ability pumped everyone's level up by one?

As people have said, I dont see vote order being a huge issue, it's the phantom votes that are odd. Judging by the guy yelling into the phone, it sounds like there's at least one person who can force people to vote. The real question is whether it would be people on their team and why they would chooseto use it.

It sounds from the scene the guy on the phone had some sort of relationship had some sort of relationship with the person that he was speaking to, which implies some sort of team ability, but I doubt this is the case for two reasons- one is that it would involve knowing who is on your team, and two, it would make your team mates look very suspicious. Maybe something that is activated over a lover link?

The other question is why someone would want to try end a day with only one obvious lynch target early. I can think of a couple of possible reasons - to prevent Korv spilling more information, to try end the day before people had a chance to get organised and put down their random votes, or to try end day before anyone had a chance to get their actions in. Based on how early on in the train Meanas's vote appears, I would think it's likely the last of those options - someone saw how the day would go early on and try to speed things to their conclusion to throw people off balance.

Conversely, if it was a night ability used on Night 1, then the player using the ability wouldn't really have had much of an idea of who would turn out to be a lynch candidate. Perhaps they got lucky and picked Korvalain, or maybe they're one of the first few people to suggest voting Korvalain as they hoped to use their forced votes?

Something else: both Meanas AND Rashan were forced to vote or had hidden votes.The odds of that happening in seperate circumstances and both targetting Korv seems unlikely to me. But what if Meanas and Rashan were the person with two alts and they were affected by an ability and so are forced to vote with both alts or something like that?

Suggests one of the early votes might have used the ability, and then lumps Meanas and Rashan's votes in the same basket (which seems just as unlikely now since Meanas voted Rashan).

After all this mindfuckery, Shadow decides to go faction-hunting. Comes up with this doozie:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

So, the Europeans are still in the lead, huh?

Considering that the Americans have a victory condition to identify other factions, and they've already gotten some hypothetical points from doing it successfully, I'm inclined to believe that Korvalain was not merely guessing when he pronounced Kaschan as being European. And since the Europeans are currently in the lead, whilst I don't have anyone particularly pinging my scum radar at this time (at least not more than my experience tells me is perfectly normal for the average non-scum), I favour the option of voting for the European and hopefully halting that nationality's progress.

Vote Kaschan

Note that all of his votes so far have had nothing to do with finding scum. Votes Emur basically for not providing content, votes Korv for an arguably similar reason and now votes Kaschan not because he thinks he's scum, but because he's European.

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 04:13 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 21 May 2010 - 04:09 AM, said:

It seems a tad early to go faction hunting Shadow. The Europeans may be winning now, but there's a lot of game left and it could be easily just handed to the scum if we think like that.



edit: added europeans

Granted, but at the moment I find myself at a loss to find the scum. There's still plenty of time left in the day for me to change, and frankly a controversial move like this is exactly what's needed to broil some more turmoil and hopefully find a slip-up from the scum. Might even be Galain. Ijust hate that the days are only 24 hours as it means I'm constantly absent or low-posting-from-work at day's end and can't necessarily get in on the juicier end-of-day catches and action.

Plus I really thought that Korvalain's info reveal deserved some more attention.

EDIT - spacing issues, tags etc.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 24 May 2010 - 10:19 AM

[Silanah]

Olar, Sheltatha and myself offer someresistance to the idea:

Silanah, on 21 May 2010 - 04:02 AM, said:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

So, the Europeans are still in the lead, huh?

Considering that the Americans have a victory condition to identify other factions, and they've already gotten some hypothetical points from doing it successfully, I'm inclined to believe that Korvalain was not merely guessing when he pronounced Kaschan as being European. And since the Europeans are currently in the lead, whilst I don't have anyone particularly pinging my scumradar at this time (at least not more than my experience tells me is perfectly normal for the average non-scum), I favour the option of voting for the European and hopefully halting that nationality's progress.

Vote Kaschan

Really? If we accept Korvalain's accusations of Kaschan being European and Omtose being Chinese as being true (which is probable in my mind), what use does it do to lynch another inno and halt the Europeans when we have multiple scum still at large? Lynching is our best weapon against the scum, despite the spread of roles, as it is likely there are less LPs around than BPs. We'd be disadvantaging all the innos more than advantaging the non-Euros I think.

Tempted to vote you for that one.

EDIT - stupid thing double quoted...

Sheltatha Lore, on 21 May 2010 - 04:09 AM, said:

It seems a tad early to go faction hunting Shadow. The Europeans may be winning now, but there's a lot of game left and it could be easily just handed to the scum if we think like that.

edit: added europeans

Olar Ethil, on 21 May 2010 - 04:22 AM, said:

Hola!

All caught up.

I agree with Shelatha. It's still early to go faction hunting. While this in no way PI's Kaschan, I am more inclined to go after someone who has looked scummy. I'll be honest Shadow going after the 2 outed people, one of whom is on the team in the lead seems like taking the very easy way out. That seems scummy. At least Kaschan contributes and throws out theories. I would rather go after somone who seems to be cruising,or at the least not contributing. Thats how I feel.

Shadow then drops the idea after sparring with Galain (in my mind it was never going to happen anyway), and then jumps on Galain's reading comprehension fail:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 04:25 AM, said:

Galain, on 21 May 2010 - 04:22 AM, said:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 04:15 AM, said:

Galain, on 21 May 2010 - 04:10 AM, said:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

So, the Europeans are still in the lead, huh?

Considering that the Americans have a victory condition to identify other factions, and they've already gotten some hypothetical points from doing it successfully, I'm inclined to believe that Korvalain was not merely guessing when he pronounced Kaschan as being European. And since the Europeans arecurrently in the lead, whilst I don't have anyone particularly pinging my scum radar at this time (at least not more than my experience tells me is perfectly normal for the average non-scum), I favour the option of voting for the European and hopefully halting that nationality's progress.

Vote Kaschan

Here where you said, that you believed Korvalain he wasn't guessing about the factions and said he was European. So your voting for a member of the town that is in the different faction from you trying to halt that nationalitys progess.Well thats how I read it anyway. Are you saying its something else?

Oh please, Galain, don't try to pretend that you think PI somehow means something other than not-syndicate. Me believing that Kaschan is European has no effect on whether he is syndicate or not. You, on the other hand, seem to be saying otherwise for some reason...

Unless you think he's a symp then he's a PI yes. Someone else has revealed that he's a member of the town (which you have said you believe) and then you have voted accordingly for that person, you have said you are voting for him because he's a member of town, but in a different faction. Not because he's a symp, or syndicate, which in IMO is wrong.

Remove Vote
Vote Galain

Either you are scum who made a huge slip and are trying to talk your way out of it by pushing it along, or you have not even bothered to read the most elementary rules of the game. Either way, we're better off without you far moreso than Kaschan.

This is his only vote on someone who he thinks is scum, and I won't bother quoting them all, but he does go out of his way to discredit Galain a fair bit ('I bet he's working out something to say' posts etc.), which felt a little discordant.

While I think there's something off about Galain as well, and he could be a possible scum, the fact that he's had a reading comprehension fail about the same thing twice makes me think he's an idiot who can't read, and maybe was trying to deflect from Kaschan (but I guess that only really points to him knowing someone in his faction).

With all that in mind, I definitely think of all the people on thread, Shadow has been easily the most suspicious in how he's played the game. I'm also fairly suspicious of GL knowing who Shadow is and following along with him.

So, for better or worse, I will

Vote Shadow

By the way Meanas' speculation about Barghast being part of the dummy alt mechanic doesn't really make much sense tome - since Barghast is a new alt and unconnected to the dummy alt we've hadbefore.


EDIT - fixing space issues, bolding etc.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 24 May 2010 - 10:20 AM