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Spycraft 63, Trouble in Tokyo game thread, opens 18th of may.

#1681 User is offline   Mockra 

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:07 PM

Vote Rashan

For probably being bald and being in cahoots with the smoking lady but not being willing to give up her identity, which indicates he probably is a member of her team.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:07 PM

I don't mind my name being mentioned. I'd like actual statements or activity to go along with it though, catch my drift? Something I can, you know, refute?

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:09 PM

View PostLiosan, on 25 May 2010 - 07:04 PM, said:

Smooth? Seriously? Jesus. We don't need to rehash that, but you know how I feel about that.


you disagree, obviously. It might simply be your style. Being smooth in style is not a bad thing as such, I just find it's often a style adopted by players when they're scum.

#1684 User is offline   Tellan 

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:09 PM

View PostMockra, on 25 May 2010 - 07:05 PM, said:

View PostTellan, on 25 May 2010 - 06:56 PM, said:

Personally I dont see why anyone would want to mess with the votes of people on their own team - wouldnt just asking them to change vote (since they would know the person is on your team, I assume they can talk too) draw way less attention?

I would think it's a targetted thing and my instinct says that it would belong to scum.

I think Rashan is bald, because his voted got messed with twice and the bald dude got messed with twice (based on the assumption that the man on the phone is the same guy, phoning the same guy in both scenes. Seems likely). Meanas got messed with once, white suit got messed with once. So based on one assumption, the numbers make a fair bit of sense.

The fact that a bald guy is also a lover with likely syndidate candidate ciggie lady, and present in the car to kyoto does complicate things a bit more. Either there are two bald guys (there are two cat burglar looking ladies, so it's possible) or whoever is the bald guy talking to the cigarette lady doesnt want to reveal - meaning likely to be scum. In which case the person manipulating the votes possibly isnt scum, or accidently ended up targetting his teamate.

Couple of assumptions in there, but that's how I'm seeing that whole situation at the moment.

Which makes me wonder - Rashan, if you had to take a wild, crazy, guess that could in no way be construed as a reveal as to the identity of the cigarette lady, what would you say?


You know, that's actually borderline brilliant. We know the phone man ("Old Man" also, in the first scene) forced two votes and Rashan had two votes forced (or removed by force). So it would hint that maybe the Bureaucrat who forced White Suit (Meanas)'s vote is the scum player, and there's plenty of evidence to support that.

Keep in mind that the "Old Man" met up with the Bald man later on... so it's possible the old man couldn't communicate in person for a while and had to use the phone.

But that would mean that the Bald Man has possibly infiltrated the Old Man's faction... since he appears to team up with the Smoker Woman at one point and the Old Man + Porcelain woman at another point.


So what are you thinking? Baldy is the Japanese/Chinese syndicate member, who has a lover link to smoker, plus to the people who believe him to be on their team. Doesnt quite gel with him being on the receiving end of vote manipulation, but something about the bald guy doesnt add up. Like I've said, I am making one or two assumptions, but if your line of reasoning is correct, then voting Rashan would definitely be the right move.

Edit - crosspost, guess that's exactly what you're saying.

This post has been edited by Tellan: 25 May 2010 - 07:10 PM


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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:13 PM

Back, catching up.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:14 PM

@Tellan, it's basically enough suspicion to cast a worthy vote, IMO. Baldy should have given up Smoker a while ago so it's probably being hidden for a reason. Most of the evidence points to Baldy being Rashan.

There is definitely some evidence that makes it appear like we don't have the full story, but right now it feels strong enough to vote.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:20 PM

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The last of the henchmen crumbled into a heap, taken from behind, knifed and silenced. She had had to employ her full arsenal of tricks, but now, she had evaded the clutches of the triade footmen. Time to go for their boss.

Barghast is dead. He was Triade Hired Hand, Chinese Syndicate.


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Hmm, I think the demise of Barghast wasn't clear. For those who hadn't guessed, he died due to day timing out, any people in appearing in that scene were there because they were affected by Barghast. If that wasn't clear, apologies.


So im guessing it is mockra in that scene.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:21 PM

Well, if Baldy is Rashan and he didn't give up smoker lady ( who is certainly scum) it stands to reason he is either scum...or hiding scum to...protect his faction i guess? I'm a little hesitant to vote, because he might be the link we need to take out the lady. but at the same time, it's dangerous to let somone who is enabling scum roam free.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:23 PM

View PostSpite, on 25 May 2010 - 07:20 PM, said:

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The last of the henchmen crumbled into a heap, taken from behind, knifed and silenced. She had had to employ her full arsenal of tricks, but now, she had evaded the clutches of the triade footmen. Time to go for their boss.

Barghast is dead. He was Triade Hired Hand, Chinese Syndicate.


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Hmm, I think the demise of Barghast wasn't clear. For those who hadn't guessed, he died due to day timing out, any people in appearing in that scene were there because they were affected by Barghast. If that wasn't clear, apologies.


So im guessing it is mockra in that scene.



Welcome to the game...and wtf? how is Mockra involved in that scene. Also, would you mind using the multi quote feature, so we can se who actually posted your quotes and when :laughing: If that request is out of line, sorry, but I have a hard enough time following this game as it is.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:23 PM

View PostMockra, on 25 May 2010 - 07:07 PM, said:

Vote Rashan

For probably being bald and being in cahoots with the smoking lady but not being willing to give up her identity, which indicates he probably is a member of her team.

Has he been around since people asked him that? I haven't seen him, but still, I'd like to hear what he has to say before I lay down a vote. Although we're about two hours out I think...

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:24 PM

Would Rashan even realize that his lover-bond is with a syndicate member, if that is what all this is?

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:25 PM

View PostOlar Ethil, on 25 May 2010 - 07:23 PM, said:

View PostSpite, on 25 May 2010 - 07:20 PM, said:

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The last of the henchmen crumbled into a heap, taken from behind, knifed and silenced. She had had to employ her full arsenal of tricks, but now, she had evaded the clutches of the triade footmen. Time to go for their boss.

Barghast is dead. He was Triade Hired Hand, Chinese Syndicate.


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Hmm, I think the demise of Barghast wasn't clear. For those who hadn't guessed, he died due to day timing out, any people in appearing in that scene were there because they were affected by Barghast. If that wasn't clear, apologies.


So im guessing it is mockra in that scene.



Welcome to the game...and wtf? how is Mockra involved in that scene. Also, would you mind using the multi quote feature, so we can se who actually posted your quotes and when :laughing: If that request is out of line, sorry, but I have a hard enough time following this game as it is.

I imagine he's referring to 'people affected by Barghast', since both posts were from PS. Pretty established speculation at this point, though. Thoughts on the Meanas/Rashan dilemmas so far, Spite?

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:27 PM

View PostHood, on 25 May 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

Would Rashan even realize that his lover-bond is with a syndicate member, if that is what all this is?

Probably not, which doesn't incriminate him, but revealing it at least points us to who people think is likely to be scum. But not 'certainly scum', as Olar said. We won't know until we see that person's CF, but I think it's likely.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:27 PM

View PostOlar Ethil, on 25 May 2010 - 07:23 PM, said:

View PostSpite, on 25 May 2010 - 07:20 PM, said:

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The last of the henchmen crumbled into a heap, taken from behind, knifed and silenced. She had had to employ her full arsenal of tricks, but now, she had evaded the clutches of the triade footmen. Time to go for their boss.

Barghast is dead. He was Triade Hired Hand, Chinese Syndicate.


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Hmm, I think the demise of Barghast wasn't clear. For those who hadn't guessed, he died due to day timing out, any people in appearing in that scene were there because they were affected by Barghast. If that wasn't clear, apologies.


So im guessing it is mockra in that scene.



Welcome to the game...and wtf? how is Mockra involved in that scene. Also, would you mind using the multi quote feature, so we can se who actually posted your quotes and when :laughing: If that request is out of line, sorry, but I have a hard enough time following this game as it is.


Those are both Path-Shaper quotes. Also, Mockra has stated that he couldn't talk until Barghast was dead, thus the second quote.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:27 PM

ok that makes sense... I forgot Mockra was the silenced one.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:27 PM

so, there's quite a bit left of the day right? I need to go to bed and I just can't wrap my head around anything.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:29 PM

View PostHood, on 25 May 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

Would Rashan even realize that his lover-bond is with a syndicate member, if that is what all this is?



It's pretty clear the woman with the ciratettes is syndicate ( because of her origination of the Barghast alt) In the scene where Baldy and the woman form a connection they are talking over a cigarette machine. Not sure how you couldn't make that connection.


EDIT: misspelled woman.

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 25 May 2010 - 07:29 PM


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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:30 PM

View PostHood, on 25 May 2010 - 07:27 PM, said:

so, there's quite a bit left of the day right? I need to go to bed and I just can't wrap my head around anything.



There is an hour and a half.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:30 PM

View PostLiosan, on 25 May 2010 - 07:27 PM, said:

View PostOlar Ethil, on 25 May 2010 - 07:23 PM, said:

View PostSpite, on 25 May 2010 - 07:20 PM, said:

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The last of the henchmen crumbled into a heap, taken from behind, knifed and silenced. She had had to employ her full arsenal of tricks, but now, she had evaded the clutches of the triade footmen. Time to go for their boss.

Barghast is dead. He was Triade Hired Hand, Chinese Syndicate.


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Hmm, I think the demise of Barghast wasn't clear. For those who hadn't guessed, he died due to day timing out, any people in appearing in that scene were there because they were affected by Barghast. If that wasn't clear, apologies.


So im guessing it is mockra in that scene.



Welcome to the game...and wtf? how is Mockra involved in that scene. Also, would you mind using the multi quote feature, so we can se who actually posted your quotes and when :laughing: If that request is out of line, sorry, but I have a hard enough time following this game as it is.


Those are both Path-Shaper quotes. Also, Mockra has stated that he couldn't talk until Barghast was dead, thus the second quote.

Wait a minute, if Mockra was in the 'clutches' of Barghast, that either means Porsche lady is scum, in which case someone has known what she can do since Night 1, or that knifey person isn't Mockra...

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:32 PM

It's been about 7 hours since Rashan last posted and he said he was on. This was his last post.

View PostRashan, on 25 May 2010 - 11:10 AM, said:

Well, before I head off, I can safely say that I'm not bald. :laughing:

(note, not a reveal, just a denial of baldness)


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