[Osseric]

oh man... you realize if there is 2 scum, that you just outed yourself. and likely your guard had no effect, and the healer in fact saved the kill last night

I think we were heading for a D'riss lynch anyway. damn.

[Korbas]

I'm not really sure on who the other scum would be if we have 2 killers. I have to go back and reread D'riss' posts and see if there's anyone he never talks about/completely ignores, or for any suspicious behavior regarding anyone in general.

I can always throw up a guard on Mockra for night 3, but obviously I'm going to wait until there's only a few hours remaining to make a preliminary decision.

At this point one person that I'm almost certain isn't meat is Osseric, as he's pointing things about D'riss.

[Osseric]

Korbas you do realize that if we have 2 killers in an 11 person game that they would share the kill? meaning only 1 kill per night (unless we have an inno vig) If we do have 2 killers and one gets guarded, in a M & P game, which is what this is, then the other killers kill still goes through.

[Korbas]

Osseric, on 06 May 2010 - 07:58 PM, said:

oh man... you realize if there is 2 scum, that you just outed yourself. and likely your guard had no effect, and the healer in fact saved the kill last night

I think we were heading for a D'riss lynch anyway. damn.

Yes, but it's a risk I'm willing to take. From my standpoint it looked like there was a good chance I was going to be a prime candidate for lynching today, so if I do end up going out tonight I'd rather give potatoes a good chance to win. D'riss was already #2 on my list of suspects, so I'm willing to make whatever sacrifices are necessary to take him down before/if I go.

[Osseric]

I hear ya. I am certain I was voting D'riss today regardless. He was just scrambling way to much after minimal pressure by HP. It looked Fishy..or meaty as the case may be.

[Osseric]

ok I am off for luch. Back in an hr or so. hopefully a couple more ppl will have weighed in.

[Korbas]

Fener is also PI for me right now. I haven't really seen anything suspicious from him. It was brought up that he logged in and posted with only a few minutes to the lynch, but I'm not too concerned about him at this point.

Which leaves:

Ampelas, Galain, Mockra, Liosan as possible meats if you want to go by my D'riss accusation. I'll be taking a good look at their posts after I do a few quick things around the house.

[Ampelas]

Wow, that's a pretty big reveal there Korbas. I can't really imagine why you would be lying. But I would like to point out that your guard doesn't guarantee D'riss is a killer. There's still the chance of a healer and I think there was mention of a BP in the OP.

I would like to see what D'riss says in his defense before I put down my vote.

[Galain]

Osseric, on 06 May 2010 - 07:29 PM, said:

Well, I had a vote on Korbas yesterday for most of the day, mostly because at the time I was on he was offering no help at all. Then I had to log. He has since stepped up his game. He still could be a killer I suppose as he was one of the 2 people not on during the lynch yesterday ( ya ya ya Meta) but unless HP was a symp, I don't think he is a killer. Too much random crap that could get him in trouble. I have him as possible inno, for the time being.

Galain has really coasted under the guise of being Fixated on HP, then comes back with a "Damn, I was so sure" Don't have a real read on him as all he's really done is fight with HP. Hard to see a scum fixate on someone like that as other than the 4 quick votes which were then dropped, he has been under no pressure. I'd throw him in the category of "unsure but leaning inno"

How about you fener? Who are your top 3 at the moment?

Coasting? What are you talking about? I've been very vocal about my suspects and they've been more than just HP as I've mentioned several times. Yet, because I found HP the most suspicious and chose to put pressure on him I've been coasting?

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 07:54 PM, said:

More obvious clarification on why I voted for D'riss:

Unless the killer for whatever reason chose not to kill on night 2, I guarded the correct person (D'riss). Now, there could still be two killers around, but at this point I'm thinking 1 scum and 2 or 3 symps, as we've seen 1 death and 0 deaths. If a healer (baked or loaded baked potato, assuming all the healers haven't been killed) could protect me tonight, in case there are two killers, we can have one scum knocked out and start on the search for the other one.

D'riss was also offline when Barghast was killed. That, coupled with the fact of nothing happening when I guarded him on night 2, makes me 99% sure he is scum.

.. Man, you should've withheld this at least until you were properly pressured. For now you cannot know whether there's only one killer or the kill was blocked by a healer or a bp and not your guard. To be honest I doubt that it was your guard as that would mean just one killer which sounds unlikely.

However, I agree with previous posters in that D'riss acted very suspiciously yesterday, and I believe I commented on it then too, so even though your guard most likely didn't affect the outcome of the night that certainly does not exonerate D'riss.

The problem at this point though is that we're 8 players, which means that in a 3 scum (2 killers, 1 symp) game, we're on d-day today unless any of the potatoes so far dead was the symp. It's quite possible that there is no symp and 2 killers alone, but I find the extra symp more likely all in all. Ergo, Korbas' claim could simply be an elaborate ploy to ensure the lynch of a non-scum player. It's hardly unheard of.

Man, these games make me paranoid.

[Galain]

I'll be willing to vote for D'riss, but not until we've pulled every piece of information out of the day.

[Korbas]

Galain, on 06 May 2010 - 08:25 PM, said:

.. Man, you should've withheld this at least until you were properly pressured. For now you cannot know whether there's only one killer or the kill was blocked by a healer or a bp and not your guard. To be honest I doubt that it was your guard as that would mean just one killer which sounds unlikely.

However, I agree with previous posters in that D'riss acted very suspiciously yesterday, and I believe I commented on it then too, so even though your guard most likely didn't affect the outcome of the night that certainly does not exonerate D'riss.

The problem at this point though is that we're 8 players, which means that in a 3 scum (2 killers, 1 symp) game, we're on d-day today unless any of the potatoes so far dead was the symp. It's quite possible that there is no symp and 2 killers alone, but I find the extra symp more likely all in all. Ergo, Korbas' claim could simply be an elaborate ploy to ensure the lynch of a non-scum player. It's hardly unheard of.

Man, these games make me paranoid.

We need to get a scum lynched tonight or it's pretty much game over. I'm hoping one of the healers (if there are 2 and both are still alive) protects me tonight, but if not oh well. A successful D'riss lynch that reveals he's scum will put us in a much better position even with my death, as at this point I'm going to say it's either Liosan and Mockra. Granted, I don't have any concrete evidence against either of them at this point, it's just a gut feeling.

[Korbas]

Okay, after reviewing the thread I'm going with D'riss and Liosan as killers. D'riss and Mockra were going at each other pretty harshly back there. True, it could have just been an attempt to divert attention from themselves, but right now Liosan seems a bit more suspicious for two reasons. First, he hasn't been posting much and hasn't had much of any contact with D'riss (at least that I saw, I went over stuff pretty quick. Secondly, this caught my eye...

Liosan, on 05 May 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

There is no guarantee that the killer(s) were able to put in a change as to who they wanted killed as it looked likely that Barghast would have been taken out on the next day's lynch as that speculation happened with very little time left in the day. Or it could be that the killer was threatened by what Barghast had to say. For example: "Shit my name came up by this guy as being a killer, this guy needs to go like yesterday"

Though if the killer was trying to create a lot of confusion and direct attention away from themselves they may have saw this as an opportunity. For example. "Barghast put these two names down. Neither one of them is me/us if we NK him then everyone will think the killer was threatend by what he had to say. Then all the stupid spuds will naturaly assume that one of these people listed must be meat. Ha Ha Ha. Perfect"

Head hurts must have Vodka. (is that canabalistic wanting vodka?)

A call out to symps? Could be.

[Korbas]

D, on 06 May 2010 - 08:59 AM, said:

I think we can find the scum in Fener, mockra, Osseric...and perhaps Korbas.
With HP as a possible symp.



IF i had to pick one....i would probably have to go for Mockra.

No Liosan on this list, possibly trying to keep attention away from his fellow killer.

[Osseric]

ok, I am out and might not be back before the lynch. Since we need 5 and my vote has been needed both times I am going to

vote D'riss

Because he's over dramatic, over reacting, and a dirty piece of meat.

[Mockra]

Ok, back before bedtime, and this is getting intresting.
Korbas revealed.. Don't know how helpfull that will be, if his claims are true.

However, no night kill which is good - yet I can't pinpoint the reasons behind it with 100% accuracy.
I believe this is classic M&P game. There was a reason another M&P started just as the previous one ended.It was advertised as such.I have resonable doubts that a single guard can stop a solo killer or paired killers, as it looks like the scenario we currently have.

There are people that are under some pressure (Korbas, D'riss) , a larger group of people (including Galain, Osseric, Ampelas,Fener) who haven't been under any kind of continuous pressure, and then there is one single person who has not been under ANY pressure at all: Liosan.

I don't know why people do not consider everyone as their suspects.If we don't do that, we miss potential points, and we're simply making things easy for people to fly under the radar.

In my point of view I believe we have at least 1 symp in the first group, and I'm leaning towards Korbas. Why? Because he is trying to pull us on a lynch D'riss-Lynch Liosan plan.I don't like agreeing with such plans, they reak of scum.If D'riss CFs as inno, then Liosan will have an easy ride, as people turn on Korbas on a possible D-Day. On the other hand, D'riss has been jumping in shadows left and right, so in my opinion he has less chances of being a symp and more of an inno or a killer.However if he is symping , he's doing a great job because he's not redirecting anything anywhere basically, so we can't directly connect him with someone.

Now, we potentially have a killer in the larger group. Most of these people have been quick to vocal suspicions of others, and some with good grounds, but neither has been under any reasonable pressure so far. If we HAPPEN to have both killers in that group, then we're sitting ducks and we deserve to lose I guess.Well played.I haven't found anything noteworthy in regards to these four, and if I had to take a wild guess I would say one of Galain-Osseric-Ampelas followed slightly behind by Fener.

And that brings me to the final suspect, Liosan. No notable pressure, no real imput to help our case here.Perfect play and smooth ride so far.

The fact that Korbas mentions him, and D'riss not mentioning him, is starting to make me feel more and more suspicious of him.Both have reasons to do so if they are symps, Korbas for reverse psychology reasons and D'riss for obvious reasons.

So, in the light of putting more pressure on someone who has NONE so far, and demand more explanations of him I will

vote Liosan

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 17 hours 45 mins remain.

8 players are alive
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

5 votes to lynch. 4 votes to go to night.

1 vote D'riss (Korbas)
1 vote D'riss (Osseric)
1 vote Liosan (Mockra)


Not voted
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Liosan

[Path-Shaper]

Man who runs behind automobile gets exhausted.

Back later.

[Fener]

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2010 - 11:45 PM, said:

It is Day 4. 17 hours 45 mins remain.

8 players are alive
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

5 votes to lynch. 4 votes to go to night.

1 vote D'riss (Korbas)
1 vote D'riss (Osseric)
1 vote Liosan (Mockra)


Not voted
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Liosan

Are you having problems there PS?

[Fener]

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 07:54 PM, said:

More obvious clarification on why I voted for D'riss:

Unless the killer for whatever reason chose not to kill on night 2, I guarded the correct person (D'riss). Now, there could still be two killers around, but at this point I'm thinking 1 scum and 2 or 3 symps, as we've seen 1 death and 0 deaths. If a healer (baked or loaded baked potato, assuming all the healers haven't been killed) could protect me tonight, in case there are two killers, we can have one scum knocked out and start on the search for the other one.

D'riss was also offline when Barghast was killed. That, coupled with the fact of nothing happening when I guarded him on night 2, makes me 99% sure he is scum.

I do wish that you had read my first post of the day and just tried to have gotten D'riss lynched with out having to reveal. As several people have pointed out there are several other reasons for why there wasn't a kill last night. For future reference I would suggest guarding a person for 2 nights to make sure that it is you who is preventing NK's from going through.

I am going to wait till after D'riss has gotten on and posted some sort of defense before I vote for him. I think that after yesterday and now your reveal that he is the prime lynch target.

[Korbas]

I thought about guarding for two nights, but the thing is I wasn't sure if we had that much time. Without people voting for D'riss, there's a good chance I would have been a primary candidate for lynching, which would have severly hurt our chances of winning, especially if another inno got killed on night 3 along with my death.