[Path-Shaper]

Osseric, on 10 May 2010 - 10:16 PM, said:

and now the paranoia sets in... I have been so gung-ho Mockra/Amp... Fener was a little too smooth dropping that Amp vote. If the Scum team is Mockra/Fener..I am gonna look like a real jack ass lol. Oh well... such is Mafia!

[Path-Shaper]

And Ampelas is lynched. Should be a quick Day 5.

[Path-Shaper]

Game over. The Potatoes win!

Well done by Ed on the last day, but there were too many strings that had to be pulled. You almost had it, but timing was not on your side.

[Defiance]

If this game has taught me one thing, second guessing is bad. Mockra made a pretty convincing argument, but thankfully due to the weekend freeze the more I thought about it the less and less sure I became. I still played all that like the total noob I am, though.

[Defiance]

Quote

-Hello little spud.. Do you like balloons?

-Here's a red balloon.. why don't you come down this hole.. I have more, pleanty more..

-Come don't be afraid... See, there's balloons everywhere.. What? My name? The tatters call me.. Pennywise.. Now come down here...little spud..

Hilarious! Stephen King is the shit.

[Morgoth]

Defiance, on 11 May 2010 - 12:05 AM, said:

If this game has taught me one thing, second guessing is bad. Mockra made a pretty convincing argument, but thankfully due to the weekend freeze the more I thought about it the less and less sure I became. I still played all that like the total noob I am, though.

I thought you did very well. You were the only player I absolutely trusted to be innocent by the time I died. Sadly, it was all your fault


Also, as I like to point out: In my first game I was tricked by Brood. So even if you were threatening to kill everyone on thread and fake revealed as a spy satellite, you'd still have a better first game than some

This post has been edited by Morgoth: 11 May 2010 - 12:49 AM

[Vengeance]

Path-Shaper, on 10 May 2010 - 10:03 PM, said:

Well, Vengey, in the end, went for Ampelas, so unless Korbas stalemates it, looks like the scum are going to lose after all.

Helluva performance by Mockra, though.

He went over the top which is why I stopped listening to him. His last attack on Liosan sounded too desperate.

Oh and I was looking at the thread all weekend. Having been scum I know how frustrating it can be to not be able to lynch someone. I was letting them sweat it out. At that point I was unsure about Osseric.
In the end Ampelas was just too quite. When I kept bring him up as a possible lynch he never said anything to really defend himself.
Well done to Defiance and to twelve.

Good game.... Lots of fun...

[Mentalist]

heh, so we actually lynched the power-lurking scum?

great job, guys.

[Edrigan]

Good game folks,

Alt gave me some swinging room, so I tried a couple of things.Got some fine tuning to do on the posts part though, sometimes too much or too less info on a post can prove to be decisive for the game.

[The Dude]

Good game all

That was honestly one of the most frustrating games ive had, I knew what was going on, but couldn't dig up enough dirt to make a case, or defend myself. Oh well, alls well that ends well

[Liosan]

Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2010 - 04:27 PM, said:

And Amp gave Mockra the power to change the nK, so it is up to Mockra, ignore the info below, as Mockra has the only say, in other words, if mockra doesnt change the provisional - it remains on Galain.

Ampelas, on 07 May 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 01:17 PM, said:

So basically it gets down to successfully killing Galain tonight, and hope that Osseric is our symp and rises up voting night, right off the bat...

I will NOT bite however, and jump onto a night vote if someone gets lynched today, and Galain gets killed, I would rather play this out as a WCS much like innos do, and our WCS here is that we are currently alone (regardless if Osseric does seem like your symp) versus 4 innos, by tomorrow.

Yeah, I would definitely not jump onto a vote for night. Plus, with the possibility of a ninja and other unknown roles around we might get to night and still not get the NK we need to win. Better to play it safe until we know the facts.

Ampelas, on 07 May 2010 - 04:22 PM, said:

Shit, RL is a big mess at the moment, I'm not going to have enough time to put down a convincing vote one way or the other. Sorry. PS, I officially give permission for Mockra to change the provisional for the remainder of this Day only.

If Lio reveals healer of any kind and doesnt get lynched, NK him. Else Galain is still a good bet.

And PS - If Lio is a ninja and takes Mockra out with him, consider this confirmation of a kill on Galain. If he is somehow lynched, Korbas.

Why wasn't I night killed based on this provisional?

[Tapper]

That is one very detailed provisional. Would never resolve that as P-S, myself. provisionals are, imho, only in case your original target is lynched or mod-killed.

[Liosan]

Path-Shaper, on 10 May 2010 - 09:36 PM, said:

Personal advice to Twelve for when he reads this after the game... you are doing fine in the action department, but you need a lot more self-confidence. Just relax, don't let people push you around, ESPECIALLY when you know you're telling the truth. When you have the truth on your side, it's very hard to lose.

Personality defect that I've been trying to overcome my whole life. Not sure how I'm coming along in overcoming it.

[Liosan]

We this has definately been a lot more fun that my first two attempts at mafia. I won't be back for another go around for a little while. My wife and I are expecting our second in a few weeks and it sounds like the spycraft game won't be done with that. I also need time (lots of it) between games to give my head time to decompress.

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan, on 11 May 2010 - 07:11 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2010 - 04:27 PM, said:

And Amp gave Mockra the power to change the nK, so it is up to Mockra, ignore the info below, as Mockra has the only say, in other words, if mockra doesnt change the provisional - it remains on Galain.

Ampelas, on 07 May 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 01:17 PM, said:

So basically it gets down to successfully killing Galain tonight, and hope that Osseric is our symp and rises up voting night, right off the bat...

I will NOT bite however, and jump onto a night vote if someone gets lynched today, and Galain gets killed, I would rather play this out as a WCS much like innos do, and our WCS here is that we are currently alone (regardless if Osseric does seem like your symp) versus 4 innos, by tomorrow.

Yeah, I would definitely not jump onto a vote for night. Plus, with the possibility of a ninja and other unknown roles around we might get to night and still not get the NK we need to win. Better to play it safe until we know the facts.

Ampelas, on 07 May 2010 - 04:22 PM, said:

Shit, RL is a big mess at the moment, I'm not going to have enough time to put down a convincing vote one way or the other. Sorry. PS, I officially give permission for Mockra to change the provisional for the remainder of this Day only.

If Lio reveals healer of any kind and doesnt get lynched, NK him. Else Galain is still a good bet.

And PS - If Lio is a ninja and takes Mockra out with him, consider this confirmation of a kill on Galain. If he is somehow lynched, Korbas.

Why wasn't I night killed based on this provisional?

Amp had given Mockra complete control of submitting NA's for that night....so his provisional didnt count....Mockra didnt submit the same provisional. Bent out

[Edrigan]

Path-Shaper, on 10 May 2010 - 06:57 PM, said:

What a joke. Don't go crying just because one guy did a reveal that's got you in hot water. No rules were broken here, just typical mafia business.

Ok PB, I was not 'crying' because the guy did a reveal that got me in trouble, I was asking why was this guy getting a 'funny' feeling about me that resulted from his NA to heal me on Night 1. And it wasn't caused by something that I or someone else said on the game thread, but it was caused by the discussion with someone who was on the Path-Shaper allias at that time, taking care of business.

The way I saw this, is that Liosan picked up that his heal on Night 1 was a bad move, and he realised it could be due to trying to heal scum. So from Day 1 resolve, he got in his mind that Mockra is scum because people in SH and spoilers would laugh at him for healing the killer.
That's not fishing for information, thats an honest question from someone who played with you guys for the second time. Between the span of Day 1 resolve and Day 3 reveal, Liosan could very much be looking for things to incriminate me, regardless if I had or hadn't done anything at that point to get him to that direction.

Morgoth also pointed that out on the thread, and I was really wondering what trully went down. Was Liosan directed on me due to me backtracking or contradicting or making mistakes in game thread? If yes, where was it, and how can I fix it to get better.Or was it caused by the interaction with Path-Shaper in Day 1 resolve, in which case, Mockra really played no part in it, and it was caused by the interaction he had from who ever was on Path-Shaper at that time.That's why I said I don't see a way of countering his arguement at that point.

[alt146]

Liosan, on 11 May 2010 - 07:11 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2010 - 04:27 PM, said:

And Amp gave Mockra the power to change the nK, so it is up to Mockra, ignore the info below, as Mockra has the only say, in other words, if mockra doesnt change the provisional - it remains on Galain.

Ampelas, on 07 May 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 01:17 PM, said:

So basically it gets down to successfully killing Galain tonight, and hope that Osseric is our symp and rises up voting night, right off the bat...

I will NOT bite however, and jump onto a night vote if someone gets lynched today, and Galain gets killed, I would rather play this out as a WCS much like innos do, and our WCS here is that we are currently alone (regardless if Osseric does seem like your symp) versus 4 innos, by tomorrow.

Yeah, I would definitely not jump onto a vote for night. Plus, with the possibility of a ninja and other unknown roles around we might get to night and still not get the NK we need to win. Better to play it safe until we know the facts.

Ampelas, on 07 May 2010 - 04:22 PM, said:

Shit, RL is a big mess at the moment, I'm not going to have enough time to put down a convincing vote one way or the other. Sorry. PS, I officially give permission for Mockra to change the provisional for the remainder of this Day only.

If Lio reveals healer of any kind and doesnt get lynched, NK him. Else Galain is still a good bet.

And PS - If Lio is a ninja and takes Mockra out with him, consider this confirmation of a kill on Galain. If he is somehow lynched, Korbas.

Why wasn't I night killed based on this provisional?

Probably because waiting till after the hammer was actualyl a good move by you. I was in a bit of a rush when I wrote that - you had just started hinting that you wanted to reveal something and I was about to leave for the night. In retrospect I should have switched the provisional onto you as soon as saw you hinting, but I couldn't predict what it was you were going to say, so I left it on Galain.

[Edrigan]

Liosan, on 11 May 2010 - 07:11 AM, said:

Why wasn't I night killed based on this provisional?

Alt gave me power to make the NA by myself, but I didn't want to NK you at that point. Galain was getting closer hour by the hour, and I figured he was a much bigger threat to me and Alt than you at that time. Plus I saw all those posts of Korbas hinting you are a scum, so I kinda needed you around to build a case upon you.

Plus it seems I was the only one (go figure) who saw Korbas say clearly he would be guarding you tonight. So regardless of your reveal or not, I would be able to know if Korbas is indeed a true guard and bock your action, and if you are indeed a true finder/healer/what ever you reveal at that point, and allow Alt time to possibly think about a counter reveal.

See how good that turned out for us All abord the S.S Failboat, Mockra's driving hahaha

[Edrigan]

dktorode, on 10 May 2010 - 08:06 AM, said:

This game should be used as an example to new players why wifom and meta reasoning does not work as a case.

HERE IS A CLIP THE NEWBIES SHOULD SEE FOR WIFOM.

that is all...

I saw this one,

http://www.grapheine...7cffa192bb.html

set me straight up. Truth.

[Bent]

Great game to everyone, I really enjoyed it. Special thanks to Yellow and whoever the hell took care of th final day for me, I really appreciate it.