[Peanutbutta]

Path-Shaper, on 04 May 2010 - 04:34 PM, said:

random numbers - killer roles are 10 and 1 - roled innos are - gaurd 8 and healer 9

that makes killers - Edrigan and Alt 146
gaurd - defiance
healer- twelve

alts

1. Alt146 - Ampelas: compact - T-bone Steak (killer)
2. Obdigore - Barghast: appartment - spud Killed night 1.
3. Dktorode - D'riss: curious - spud
4. Mentalist - Eloth: elevation - spud Lynched day 1.
5. Vengeance - Fener: tonight - spud
6. Morgoth - Galain: illustrate - spud
7. Peanutbutta - Hood's Path: blank - spud
8. Defiance - Korbas: route - Potatoes AU Gratin (gaurd)
9. Twelve - Liosan: devotion - Baked Potato
10. Edrigan - Mockra: stand - Chicken Breast (killer)
11. The Dude - Osseric: property - spud

Provisionals -

night 1

Killers - Kill Barghast
gaurd - Gaurds Eloth (doesnt matter)
healer - Heals Mockra (doesn't matter)

night 2

Killers - Kill Galain (fails due to heal)
GARD - If HP is lynched Guard D'riss. If D'riss is lynched guard Mockra. If anyone else is lynched guard HP. (doesnt matter)
Healer - Heal Galain


night 3

Interesting. I actually felt there was a good chance it was 2 killers no symp considering that 11 players makes 3 scum almost too much and 1 killer 1 symp too weak.

Glad I knew Korbas was a total inno. Definitely missed on D'riss, but excellent work by Twelve saving Galain, who was a likely inno IMO.

It is pretty bad for the town though that the two scum are completely being ignored.

[Peanutbutta]

Path-Shaper, on 05 May 2010 - 05:26 PM, said:

These were the last couple of PMs between the killers. No Mockra.

Ampelas, on 05 May 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

Ok, Bargy looks hella scummy and Mockra isnt here to confirm, am I allowed to make an executive switch to D'riss?

Ampelas, on 05 May 2010 - 05:17 PM, said:

Hey, you're back - please confirm D'riss else we'll NK an awesome lynch target for tomorrow.

Path-Shaper, on 05 May 2010 - 05:18 PM, said:

Just to be clear - you both must confirm if you want to switch targets.

Ampelas, on 05 May 2010 - 05:22 PM, said:

Noooo. Mockra just hammered, so I guess it's too late

At least now we have a massive WIFOM in that the killers probably weren't around near the end of day to have chosen to NK someone under so much suspicion. Hopefully someone in thread brings it up, it might look a bit fishy if one of us do.

Unfortunately you were too late.

So that's how it happened, huh? I totally forget that most players aren't nearly as fast at reading and refreshing as me.

[Peanutbutta]

Yellow, on 05 May 2010 - 07:23 PM, said:

If I was playing this game, the following post would piss me right off:

Mockra, on 05 May 2010 - 07:10 PM, said:

I don't know how D-Day looks like, but its something we should be aware sooner than later.

Why worry about D-day when it's morning of day 2? How are you supposed to even work that out, when all you have is two non-killer CFs?

Here's your worst-case scenario: 9 of you left. 4 killers, 5 RIs. Sound ridiculous? So is talking about end-game when you're still at start-game.

I know Mockra is a scummo and may just be throwing shit around, but fuck that would get my goat if I was playing.

It's one of those many harmless-looking posts that really don't stand out when you're playing the game. I think I found myself constantly skimming Mockra's posts, they never struck me as anything special. Hence my 0-read on him.

[Path-Shaper]

Some PM goodness.

Our guard may be about to land himself in trouble.

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 05:31 PM, said:

Would it be bad if I said I guarded D'riss and he didn't make any action? Or is it completely against the rules to say our role?

You may say whatever you want, however you must not post (or even paraphrase) the PMs that Path-Shaper has sent you. In this game, that rule doesn't matter very much because all the role PMs have already been made public in the thread. But in other games, that would be blasphemy.

That make sense?

Morgylain finally going senile:

Galain, on 06 May 2010 - 05:14 PM, said:

Yeah, I don't know what HP is on about. Sure I'm putting a lot of pressure on him, which I'm doing because I believe he is scum. I made a case and have held to that as the events of the thread certainly strengthened my suspicions.

Sure I use insults, but mostly as an afterthought in response to the number of straw mans HP have paraded forth. As the day progressed I just used them because it seems to rile him up something fierce and that amuses me. How it would be poor play I dunno, but I guess we've just got different ideas as to what constitutes proper play.

Galain, on 06 May 2010 - 05:18 PM, said:

Is it shin I wonder? Did I get shin all angry? Tell me it was shin, it will make me warm and fuzzy in my pants.


man, I remember being good at alt guesses once. I wonder what happened to that.

Galain, on 06 May 2010 - 05:36 PM, said:

No, wait, it had to be PB. Well, that explains a number of things .. Still I can't help by being a little amused by how much of a knot his panties got in.

Are you still rambling? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...

(By the way, PB, might be a good idea to log in as your alt, so that people can't see when you've posted in this forum. I don't think Bent cares, but anyway.)


And finally, some kill-chat. Looks like Mockra has been having trouble posting.

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 05:18 PM, said:

I'm trying to reply on the freaking thread and internet keeps going down ffs

Have lost 25 minutes already!

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 05:22 PM, said:

I CAN NOT REPLY ON THREAD!!! ALERT ALERT SOMETHING IS FUCKED UP HERE!

Can you please post this for me:


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I'm back and internet is fucked up seriously, I just spend some time writing a post only to have it gone cause of connection issues.

Ok, here's what I think so far:


Hood's Path: probable symp / unlikely killer, drew too much attention to him to be a killer
Korbas: probable symp / probable killer, pretty much the only one around here who's not actively looking for scum at the moment, coupled with some others though as well


D'riss: Jumps on every shadow left and right, probable inno or killer , unlikely symp but if symp well played.


Osseric: Not overly active to get a read, under no pressure at the moment
Liosan: Same as Osseric
Fener: Same as Osseric, but with some good points in later posts
Ampelas: Same as Osseric, but with some good points in later posts
Galain: Same as Osseric, but with some good points after he got out of the hangover.



Now, I've tried twice to get some people involved into trying to find out what kind of setup we are up against. 11 player game, 3 scum against 8 people? Does anyone even have a clue what our D-Day looks like?I will go ahead with WCS and say that Eloth and Bargast were inno, we're probably looking at 3 scum 9 player game, and if we don't lynch right- Day 4 is our D-Day. I can't get into role speculation at the moment, because if we end up gaining a day due to town NAs its probably based on luck at the moment.

So, based on that I will go ahead and

vote Korbas

Because he's more probable to be a killer, and because if he is inno, he is not actively looking for killers.
I'm around to switch to Hood's Path if need be, and we are dangerously looking at another day without a lynch.

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I spend half an hour trying to get a post in, every time I hit 'Post' keeps getting me to 'Internet Explorer cannon display this page' feature!

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2010 - 05:24 PM, said:

The lynch happened, if you want to post it once you get access again, you may...I will not though.

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 05:26 PM, said:

Well, damn me, fuck me sideways with a huge squer or how ever you fcking spell that...

Sonofa ISP and sonofa connection- I can't wait to go back to the US, I miss my cable ...



Goddamnit



PS: Looks there's a lynch, dont post mine... I'm in a deep shit of trouble come this day, if D'riss keeps riding my back and people seemed to have picked up on it.

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 05:34 PM, said:

Well, there it is..

I got guarded from the looks of it.. damn...

I doubt I can pull this off now- suits me fine for trying to pick on the barking dog I guess...


I'll start considering a reveal later on, dunno how it will pun out - but if Hood's Path was indeed a symp, I just royally costed as a lot more than I could chew.

I blame Bent of course for making me a killer in the second game played

Ampelas, on 06 May 2010 - 05:36 PM, said:

Guessing we have a healer then. Makes sense, Galain being the most obvious target tonight for a kill also makes him the most obvious one fora lynch.

At this point I'm think Oss is our symp, Fener or Lio are roled.

Healer will likely stick to galain again tonight, provisional on Lio?

Mockra, are you still having problems posting on the thread? I've never heard of that happening before. If you need me to try and sort out another alt, let me know. I'm not able to post things on-thread for you though.

[Path-Shaper]

Another from Mockra I x-posted with.

@Bent: do you want to answer this? I already said unlikely, but it's up to you.

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 05:49 PM, said:

Bent I need a ruling here, and I NEEEEEEEEEEEEED Ampelas to talk to me some more.


Can I dismiss my rights as a killer and pass them to Ampelas, while we are both alive? Of course that means that only he get's the chance to kill every night, but we still keep the off thread communication , right? And of course that means that I fully understand that if he gets lynched we almost lost the game because we just lost our killing abilities.


The reason I want to do this, is I am 100% sure I was the one guarded, unless some lucky MOFO put a provisional on Ampelas.


If these goons try to lynch me today, I will try my OUTMOST to convince them that guarding ME while they look for the second killer IS the best idea- of course that will leave Ampelas free at night to rampage through the potato field.

This is Yellow (Bent's off to do some work for a change). I am fairly certain he will tell you to go stick it up your arse (nicely of course ) but I will ask him when he's on.

[Peanutbutta]

Yellow, on 06 May 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

PB needs to up his play and stop taking things personally before he explodes. I think he might actually start crying in a minute.

Yes, Galain insulted you. Yes, it worked and he got a rise out of you. Now you might want to move on and stop reacting to it.

Are you joking? Seriously, this can't be a real statement. It's absolutely terrible play to go around insulting people. As you can see, all it did was get both myself and Galain killed, but luckily, Twelved pieced it together in time to save one of us.

edit: And who the fuck keeps this myth up about crying over it? It pisses me the fuck off, and I'm on a one-man crusade to end it.

This post has been edited by Peanutbutta: 06 May 2010 - 05:54 PM

[Path-Shaper]

You going to keep crying about that all night?

[Path-Shaper]

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 05:54 PM, said:

Thanks Bent, seems I'm fine at the moment.

I'm currently on the third floor in our house, and the idiots who set up the internet connection here messed something up, every time someone from the first floor picks up the phone to answer it or make a call, it kicks me off the internet, and I can't get back until the line is not busy.
No clue why this happens.


Ampelas, you think Galain got healed or one of us got guarded? I start to believe that Galain is a guard, picked up on my trail from D'riss and decided to guard me tonight and see what happens.I do not know if he got healed or not, really...

That's why I want to know what we can do with the shared kill abilities, in case I got indeed guarded today, and someone decides to reveal and build a case, I can revoke my rights, convince them to guard me again instead of lynching me and have you do the nasty killing stuff at night.

Mockra, do you have ADSL? Are your ADSL filters set up properly? Those are the things that let you use the phone and internet at the same time. Just checking...

[Peanutbutta]

Unbelievable, Yellow. Really, man.

I'm not logging in as my alt. Bent said there was no need to do so.

The game is pretty much a draw right now. Could easily go either way. Korbas could reveal, which may be a 'bad move' but then Lio could heal him which would negate it. All Lio has to do then is reveal and boom, 3 non-killers, CI. That would make it almost impossible for scum to win, especially since the guard will live for a couple of actions. Of course, things never work out the way they ought to, so really, it's a toss up.

Alt's definitely playing an outstanding game, though.

[Peanutbutta]

I'm getting votes over 30 minutes after I am lynched. How sweet is that?

Liosan, on 06 May 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

Fener, on 06 May 2010 - 02:29 PM, said:

D, on 06 May 2010 - 02:21 PM, said:

Hood, on 06 May 2010 - 02:13 PM, said:

Good morning. I see we're still talking things over.

I have to rush to a Dr's appointment, so I will not be on for a little while, but the lynch times out at 10:26 my time, which should give me enough time to get back before it expires.

@D'riss, I did definitely consider that someone may just have not changed their action in time, but I think if someone had time to VOTE they had time to change their action. Mockra and Fener were definitely the late-comers, so it's not unheard of that they didn't get a change in (Fener more than Mockra). But if you're going to chastise me for "meta" discussion, then there's really no point in arguing who could have changed their action, huh?

Gotta go now. Be back later.

So you admit to considering it....yet you decided to ignore it?
Thats even worse.

Im not arguing over who could have changed their actions...YOU brought it up..and neglected to mention the other possibilities.
Im not using any meta as an argument...im using your LACK of mentioning other possibilities as an argument.
Wy dont you people get what im saying?

I get what your saying and I think that if we have some smart scum then they made a good move in nking Barghast. Look at how you all are going. This is why people ignore NK and don't talk about why a player was killed that night. The only true way to see any pattern in nk's is after a couple have happened. Till then all it does is create a ton of WIFOM talk. Just like what is happening.

Barghast might have been killed for meta reasons or just because scum is lazy. Seriously at this point in the game, after one nk coming up with a ton of different scenarios just creates WIFOM that scum get to hide behind.

He's right. Until we start eliminating options all there will be is speculation of "which way do we go George? which way do we go?" With all the hands stirring the pot, murkying up the water we will never get a clear picture. Honestly I don't think HP is a killer but I would like to know one way or another. Once that line of reasoning is over we will have something else to focus on. Let's be systematic about eliminating question marks then we have a clearer picture of what is happening.

Vote HP

[Path-Shaper]

It looks like Korbas is going to reveal as a guard, though. Seeing as how he's going to try and get D'riss lynched, things could get messy.

At least Liosan can heal him, but that's if he believes him.

On the other hand, the killers are going to be waiting for a symp counter-reveal that's never going to happen.

[Path-Shaper]

Peanutbutta, on 06 May 2010 - 06:03 PM, said:

I'm getting votes over 30 minutes after I am lynched. How sweet is that?

What can I say, you made an impression.

Explosions tend to do that

[Path-Shaper]

Right, gonna disappear for a while. PS password is in the OP if anyone fancies hopping in.

[Path-Shaper]

One last PM before I go. Looks to me like we could have a major reveal-fest any minute, especially seeing as how Mockra is absolutely convinced he's going to die and needs to fake reveal

Liosan would do well to listen to Fener and keep schtum.

Liosan, on 06 May 2010 - 06:14 PM, said:

I'm wondering if I should mention my role and who I healed last night? I know that there are two potaoes that have this ability but I'm wondering if my posting on the thread will help get Mockra killed. If I tell everyone that I healed Galain and the reason was because I thought him outing Mockra as a possible suspect put a target on his back.

Shit one of the potatoes has a BP.... I didn't even think of that.

[Peanutbutta]

It's totally worth it to trade your healer life for a scum, IMO. Now in this case, he doesn't know Mockra is scum but it could work out for the town in a big way because now Korbas is an absolute beast.

[Path-Shaper]

I answered Mockra -

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 05:49 PM, said:

Bent I need a ruling here, and I NEEEEEEEEEEEEED Ampelas to talk to me some more.


Can I dismiss my rights as a killer and pass them to Ampelas, while we are both alive? Of course that means that only he get's the chance to kill every night, but we still keep the off thread communication , right? And of course that means that I fully understand that if he gets lynched we almost lost the game because we just lost our killing abilities.


The reason I want to do this, is I am 100% sure I was the one guarded, unless some lucky MOFO put a provisional on Ampelas.


If these goons try to lynch me today, I will try my OUTMOST to convince them that guarding ME while they look for the second killer IS the best idea- of course that will leave Ampelas free at night to rampage through the potato field.

I explained before that you can give Amp permission to submit the NA, but if you do, and he fails to do so - there will be no kill, and if you want to change his provisional I will not allow it.

Alt should explain that a single gaurd will not stop the NK. I refuse to do so, for mechanics reason...out agian

~Bent

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 06 May 2010 - 06:30 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Mockra still trying

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 06:56 PM, said:

No Bent, I'm not asking about the provisionals.

For example: This day I drew unwanted attention, and if there is a guard around, he might have picked up on my trail and decided to guard me. With that thought in mind, am I allowed to forfeit my killing abilities and pass them onto Ampelas, knowing fully well that if Ampelas gets lynched then team scum loses the ability to kill at night, and possibly the game altogether? While that move might be tricky, it will help clear my name out of a pescy guard who might reveal in a day saying he guarded me two nights in a row so there was no kill, and possibly get him to stick to the people who have been attacking me on thread instead. I can stick around as a symp for Ampelas and try to help him win the game in a different manner.

so I said

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2010 - 07:00 PM, said:

Bent here...um - I answered the question the only way I can without hinting about game mechanics - so

Shove it up your arse? lol

[Path-Shaper]

Amp is helping

Ampelas, on 06 May 2010 - 07:05 PM, said:

Sorry Mockra, was rustling up some grub after day ended. Had awesome ribs if you're interested

Just some mafia 101 - what happened last game with one killer being guarded resulting in no kill was NOT the way things usually work. I dont know if you caught the fuss some of the players kicked up about it, it's partly why we're having a second M&P game in a row. I asked for clarification earlier but didnt see any - PS we're playing normal, guard can only stop a lone killer mechanics here right?

Assuming for now that we are, there's no reason for you to get stressed. Galain was an obvious choice for a kill because he's been active and talking a fair amount of sense. That also means he's a fairly good choice for a healer to go after. The other thing that might have happened is that Galain has a BP.

What we have to do now is make a choice - do we go for Galain again? If he had a BP, we get rid of a roled player by killing him. However, if he was healed, there's a 90% the healer will keep his heal on galain tonight. In that case we would need to try hit the healer, who I believe is either Lio or Fener.

I dont really see why we need to set one of us up to have the NK choice, we're both around at lynch time, we shouldn't be in a situation were an executive decision is needed again.

My response

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2010 - 07:11 PM, said:

I will not answer game mechanics questions. Sorry.

[Path-Shaper]

I want to be really clear on this - I said before there are no hidden mechanics. I even posted all possible role pms and as such I will not answer the question because it lets team scum narrow down that there was a heal or a bp (in case of 1 gaurd) or 2 gaurds got lucky. IMO this is standard mafia paranoia and I am not going to help them overcome their fears.

[Path-Shaper]

Mockra doesnt like me anymore....I am deeply offended, not really

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 07:23 PM, said:

Sigh.... This is why I didn't want to be a killer this early... I get to bang heads with those goons on the thread... and now I get to bang heads with the bigger goon here (Bent) who can sit there and tell me: Shove it up your arse, and I'm standing here unable to throw shit back at him!!!


Anyway.. hmm.. Lio or Fener, Fener seems to be the most reasonable of the two, so I'd say him, Lio has been fairly under the radar, I'm expecting people to pick up the pace pretty fast now since they realise we're getting closer to DDay and give him some pressure too. One thing I can't be sure, I have absolutely no freaking clue who the symp or the symps are right now- and I end up getting worried we might hit them instead of others.