[Eloth]

HP yeah it is wifom a tad.

I'm reacting by gut here as there is nothing that stands out altogether in your posts that say scum.

The spite hammer vote could easily be a distancing vote.

Also there is the Korvalain vote he could either be inno or symp, if he was inno he getting a freaking lecture from me. If he symp he didn't argue his defense against you that well. In fact everytime he argued he got scummier. I rather go for symp than fucking atrocious inno.

Listen when it comes to mafia paranoid bastard is the words that describe me most.

If you're scum you need to deliver someone scummy and you struck gold in finding your symp. Scum can only win with the killer, ok a symp could do good and get a draw and that is all he can do unless he has a vig or something silly like that.

I'm wanting to argue that the symps were Kesso, Gamelon and Korvalain as they were cfed as not main scum but did so many dodgy things that we all know about.

The fact that Kesso edited a post as it was game breaking suggests he did something silly and mentioned his masters on the game thread. A inno wouldn't have enough knowledge to break a game.

Now Sorrit version has been proven wrong as Omtose was cf as not major scum, Korbas said that Sorrit name was mentioned, we haven't tested this out. But I got a feeling that what Kesso said and what these guys thought they read are two different things or what they supposedly read is a fabrication. Which was meant to get a response out of people.

Gamelon contradicted Liosan but his scenario didn't seem right.

So Spite was lynched and we can assume that two symps were taken.

Now the Korvalain lynch. I don't think he was inno as an inno role is to create as much discussion as possible, his last statements were against that trend. His very actions go against what a regular inno or symp does. But what if his master had found him, if the last killer is viewed as properly hunting scum then he is harder to lynch, the only way that can be done is the person he votes for is acting scummy as hell. If he gets scummier with every bit of pressure that is applied to him then it appears we gotten scum and I think we did.

But what Korvalain did was ensure his own destruction., so there has to be a reason for that. Symps will sacrifice themselves to save their masters. Now in Korvalain case there only two people it can be whoever started the case on Korvalain, which is Hood's Path if my memory serves me. It creates the impression that Hood's Path is looking for scum truly, he likely found one in Korvalain I mean what other interpretation can we take from how he reacted.

The only other person that Korvalain could have been protecting is alkend by voting for him.

That is the only reason why i see why Korvalain did what he did. ( if he inno I hope to god he plays in my dominion war game)

If he self destructed for the wifom factor then it was stupid as it lesson scum capabilities.

[Hood's Path]

Well as it stands now, I'm not sure which way I want to go. Like you say Eloth, Korv's play was the scummiest from what I could see on thread, but that turned out to be a dead end or a symp.

I could believe Korbas' case on Galain, or I could possibly believe that Korbas is scum pushing a possible lynch on an inno. Or a different scum pushing a possible lynch (of me) could be Eloth. I don't feel like I have enough info to make a determination which of these is the most likely possibility.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 7. 6 hours and 49 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Alkend, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Hood's Path, Korbas, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Eloth )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Galain, Hood's Path, Korbas, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

[Hood's Path]

Where is everybody? Come play mafias!

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 7. 5 hours and 40 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Alkend, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Hood's Path, Korbas, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Eloth )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Galain, Hood's Path, Korbas, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

[Sorrit]

wow... active game the last 24 hours. Wonder where D'riss wandered off too. Well at this point I would be behind an Alkend, HP Korbas or D'riss lynch. Galain I am ho hum about, tulas and Eloth ...it would take me a bit to vote for. I'll be here up until lynch so I will lay a vote. I don't want to lay a vote just yet though because I feel that if I throw a HP vote, that, if he is inno, scum can just hop on and get away with a "well, he's our only possible lynch" vote.

Alkend's last post pinged my radar. like he is just posting to sound involved. He then tries to subtly implicate Korbas, but doesn't even throw a vote. Actually, I don't like the post at all.

vote alkend

for trying to subtly throw korbas under the bus, for not laying a vote, and for being so damn hard to lynch on day 2 (3?)

If it comes down to it I will vote HP. But I am liking Alkend more atm.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 7. 4 hours and 59 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Alkend, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Hood's Path, Korbas, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Alkend ( Sorrit )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Eloth )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Galain, Hood's Path, Korbas, Tulas Shorn

[Tulas Shorn]

So I ended up going to the emergency room. I had a concussion and was kept at the hospital for all of yesterday. They eventually determined that I could go home and did not have to spend the night. Now I have to go and see my regular doctor.

I read back over the last couple of days and it seems like eloth has really came on strong and started to lead the game. He is the one making cases and seeming to drive lynches. At this point in a game that is the position that scum want to be in.

Vote eloth

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 7. 4 hours and 51 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Alkend, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Hood's Path, Korbas, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Alkend ( Sorrit )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Eloth )
1 Vote for Eloth ( Tulas Shorn )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Galain, Hood's Path, Korbas

---

Take it really easy, Tulas. Concussions can definitely get serious if you put too much strain on yourself. No strenuous activity and go back to your doctor asap if you have any dizziness.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 28 April 2010 - 04:03 PM

[Hood's Path]

People!

Tulas, glad to hear you went to get yourself checked out. Definately was the right thing to do.


So Sorrit and Tulas, you've got votes on Alkend and Eloth. Got any secondary hunches? Tulas, what do you think about Korbas' case on Galain for instance. Sorrit, of your list (me, D'riss, Korbas) who do you think is most likely scum after Alkend? (saying you'll vote me to get a lynch doesn't really tell me anything about what you're thinking)


In the interest of getting more info onto the thread, and because I've been bored for 2 hours or so waiting for someone to talk to!

[Sorrit]

Man that sucks Tulas. Take a few days off. I know after my car wreck things got worse before they got better. Best to be more safe than sorry.

[Sorrit]

Honestly, I still don't think Eloth is scum. 3rd person on the Spite train, Putting forth a plan that, in retrospect, would have won us the game. I do see what Tulas is saying... he is taking a more assertive role lately. But to me that's necessarily scummy, though as Tulas says, it is where scum wants to be.

As for my scum after Alkend, probably you/Korbas. The hammer on Spite looks like distancing and everyone else from the end of that train ( other than Alkend) is dead. Korbas.. idk, for some reason he is pinging the shit out of my scumdar, but I don't know why, hence no case.

[Sorrit]

Who are you thinking HP? You have been around and not thrown a vote. why? Who are your top three suspects? We've got only 4 hours ( approx) left in day. At this rate, I would be surprised if we can manage to get a lynch unless Galain and D'riss show up.

[Hood's Path]

Well, it wouldn't surprise me if one side of the Galain/Korbas case is scum. D'riss is a big mystery for me, although I gotta say that if he's scum he's playing well (if goofy). Meh, I'm suspicious of everybody.

[Eloth]

Well I'll happily swap to Alkend as he the other person I suspect. We need the lynch.

Remove Vote
Vote Alkend

Based on my theory that Korvalain self destruct was to protect his master. As I believe that can either be Alkend or HP. And there only four hours left by my count.

[Hood's Path]

Ok, the time, I believe, is finally right for my reveal.

I am Chief of the Secretariat, Yang Dajang.

I am not a healer. I am a finder of those who are part of the conspiracy against Yuan Shao. Which means I do not find the main leaders of the conspiracy, but rather I find those who have joined.

In short terms, I am a symp finder.

Now as some of you will probably note, this is hard to prove. However, there are some things which should show I am telling the truth. First, I am not under any serious pressure at the moment. Thread's pretty dead, and I have no votes on me now with Eloth's removal.

Second, I am a named role - woe unto the person who counter reveals.

Third, I felt I pushed my luck with not revealing yesterday, but with a possible lynch of me today and the NK taking us down to 6, I feel the time is now right. Also, with the game going down to 6 players after a lynch and NK, there is the outside chance there are 2 symps left and we'd be almost completely screwed.


Just in case, waaay back at the beginning I coded my ability into a post (#175). My wording makes it sound like I am suggesting that Symps might have the ability to do finds. But my ambiguous wording "finder ability for symps" is actually in reference to my own night action.

Hood, on 20 April 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

Well, one thing about the previous games is that they had a pretty good variety of roles, although those were mercs. If we really wanted to go WCS there might be a symp with a vig, or finder ability for symps or something else weird (like healing catapults ).

Probably unlikely, but 3 Kingdoms games (and Twilight) have shown that D'rek likes some twists when it comes to roles.

If we're going on "clues from scenes" though, it appears like 2 killers and 2 symps. WCS 3 symps sounds plausible though.

Further evidence I am what I claim -

If you go back to the Gamelon vote, you will see that I state in more than one post that I think Gamelon is a symp, but that he is not the replacement killer. That is because I did a find on Gamelon the night we lynched Spite, and I came back with positive results (so I knew he was just a symp, not a killer, before we actually voted him off.)

Hood, on 24 April 2010 - 09:26 AM, said:

Ok, first and foremost I agree that Gamelon is likely a symp, and lynching him at the very least pushes back D-Day of Scum majority.

But I think it is also important to discuss other suspects, because there is NO guarantee that the kill passed on to Gamelon. I would suspect a lowly symp would be the more likely role to come forward to try to save Spite, not the person who would inherit the kill.

Hood, on 24 April 2010 - 09:58 AM, said:

Was there really any chance for Gamelon to avoid getting attacked the next day when Spite turned up scum? See the beginning of my post, I highly highly doubt anything other than a normal symp would come forward to try to save Spite.

I felt I had to keep the wording a little ambiguous, but my capitalizing of NO and saying "highly highly doubt" were meant as emphasis.

Finally -

I know for a fact that Tulas Shorn is a remaining symp. I did my find on him the night we lynched Gamelon. That's why both yesterday and today I've been pestering him with "what do you think" questions. It's also why I removed my vote on Korvalain yesterday, because I didn't want Korv to be lynched before I could see Tulas' opinion on the matter. Car crash got in the way of that unfortunately (both for my case, and Tulas in real life obviously).



I would reveal the others who I did my finds on, but I am reticent to do so since that will tell the killer exactly who he can kill without worry. If there is another symp left, better he has a chance of hitting them, and my not-a-symp finds won't tell you who the killer is anyways.

For the record, Barghast was not a symp, he was my first find. That I can reveal with no ill effect and may factor into some weird WCS calculations by D'riss. I also did my research and Tulas' votes on Eloth today, and Alkend back on day 3, suggests they are probably not killers.

Like I said to Sorrit just a post ago, my bet is the killer will be found amongst D'riss, Korbas and Galain. Sorrit maybe.

I understand my reveal isn't really testable since Tulas will just come up as a regular name, but such is the disadvantage of a symp finder. But for the purpose of putting off D-Day and making sure my info comes out on thread,

Vote Tulas Shorn

[D'riss]

I'm here, got caught up with RL shit, and wife has been a pita cause she can't handdle some things by herself sometimes.


I'm kinda puzzled. I -really- thought Korv would CF as our other roled killer, and we would be cruizin in some ancient chinese ship right now, with coctails in our hands, and everything on the tab of the Minister.
I'm kinda lost as to who might be the other killer at this point.

There are some things that come to mind btw.
Eloth might be or might not be scum. I don't know. His play is risky if he is scum, because even if he seems to be leading lynches lately, his posts are quite big, his cases seem reasonable enough - but reasonable given the circumstances at those times.
Hood's Path, while he has voted, most of his posts are spend asking people about -their- opinion, instead of trying to structure a post saying why he believes certain things about people.Distancing or not, it does strike me as semi-neutral.
Tulas Thorne and Galain are on the same boat in my book, Galain has come up strongly in some posts when he has been given pressure or when he tried to apply pressure on people, Tulas posts have been neutral in some cases, simply placing votes on people, but I can't seem to remember any big posts of his analyzing a case or trying to build one (I'm not saying he HASNT made a post like that, I am just saying that his posting style so far has been in a way that the majority of his posts aren't made in a way that you can remember them even 10 or 14 pages down the thread).

Alkend/Korbas picked up their pace lately - haven't noticed something that could qualify as a slip or a contradiction..

Sorrit on the other hand.. People seem to think he's inno due to what happened back then, and his behaviour lately.Apparently people CI'ed him because of the PM reveal quote.If he turns out to be scum, I'll feel 'cheated' per se.


Edit: spelling

This post has been edited by D'riss: 28 April 2010 - 05:10 PM

[Hood's Path]

That's a crosspost I presume.

[Hood's Path]

Aaaaand, it's going on 3AM here, so I need to go to bed. I held out for Tulas as long as I could, hoping he'd post something further, but I am going to fall asleep at my desk. He has posted during the same times every day (i looked that up too), so his one post is probably it until he's done with work or whatever. I will be sleeping through deadline and in all liklihood I probably will not be with you in the morning.

[D'riss]

Hood, on 28 April 2010 - 05:12 PM, said:

That's a crosspost I presume.

Yes it was.
If what you reveal is true, need to do a re-read on Tulas Thorne.