[Karatallid]

Spite, on 23 April 2010 - 12:40 AM, said:

The whole point of a shared kill is that there is two of them so if one of them is Guarded then the kill still works.
Unless your saying that get half a kill each, and both are required to make one kill? With only 2 killers and 21 people? There's snowballs chance in hell of that setup in a Meat and Potatos. And what happens when one dies? There's no more kills? Or one person gets one kill? But that doesn't make sense either.

There are several reasons for not having two kills, a BP was hit, the killers could have thought I had a BP after Night 2, and thought I was someone important and hit me again. That in fact seems very likely.

I already told you I think that setup is unlikely. However, if the killers have 2 kills per night, then we've missed out on 5 kills (1 on night 1 and 2 each on nights 2 and 3). A BP is a possibility, but again that only covers one kill, and do BPs exist in M&P games? I'm not sure, I haven't played enough to know definitely. Anyway, if we take your idea about being healed to be true, we've got:

Night 1
Ampelas
-

Night 2
Spite (failed)
-

Night 3
Spite (failed)
-

Hate to say it, but BPs don't cover that. Possibilities include another role like Liosan's, and if so I'm waiting for a reveal from that person since they've probably neutralised a killer since night 1. We have the Ampelas kill squared, since Liosan guarded/healed someone else, but not the other night 1 kill, or the other 2 on the proceeding nights. With the way the game has gone the 2-kill scenario doesn't add up with the info we have.

EDIT - grammar

This post has been edited by Karatallid: 23 April 2010 - 12:56 AM

[Spite]

Sure, but the only time I've seen that setup was The Princess Bride game, where there were 3 killers, and 2 killers shared one kill and could be Guarded and there was a 3rd killer who had a kill as well. In this case we only have 2 killers with one kill.

[Eloth]

Well from the evidence we have that all we can assume as it helps suggest how to find the scum.

[Alkend]

fuck, my nets died, and then I had to rush to work. STOOPID router..

[Alkend]

Gamelon, on 22 April 2010 - 02:34 PM, said:

i dont think the scenes can be taken at such face value D'riss.

Also then your saying that all the masters should know their symps too?

that happened once. the consequences were dire.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 21 hours and 50 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Alkend, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Sorrit, Spite, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Spite ( Liosan, Karosis, Eloth, Korbas )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korvalain, Sorrit, Spite, Tulas Shorn

[Karatallid]

Alkend, on 23 April 2010 - 01:43 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 22 April 2010 - 02:34 PM, said:

i dont think the scenes can be taken at such face value D'riss.

Also then your saying that all the masters should know their symps too?

that happened once. the consequences were dire.

Any thoughts on the Spite = scum train (of thought)?

[Karatallid]

Ok, since the other anon viewing is not deigning to venture anything, I'm off for a little bit.

[Alkend]

hmm

well, if we are to keep in touch with the imagery D'rek used in her other games, each character has an army/clan that supports them. so, it's plausible, that right now only one scum (Liu Bei) has the power to kill. (Which would explain the fact the night scenes mention his dreams).

in which case, Eloth's suggestion DOES get a small degree of merit, but it also means that we have to lynch almost at random to find the other scum whose name escapes me.

i'd much rather get rid of somebody that's known first

vote Spite

[Alkend]

Karatallid, on 23 April 2010 - 02:09 AM, said:

Ok, since the other anon viewing is not deigning to venture anything, I'm off for a little bit.

apologies, shower and supper preparations got in the way.

I suppose I should say a few words about my own failed train. lemme look up who exactly was voting me.
not to say it wasn't a valid reason, my participation has been less than stellar, but RL keeps infringing on my already limited net access hours.

i'm going to compile the train against me in a separate post, brb.

[Alkend]

Alkend, on 23 April 2010 - 02:15 AM, said:

hmm

well, if we are to keep in touch with the imagery D'rek used in her other games, each character has an army/clan that supports them. so, it's plausible, that right now only one scum (Liu Bei) has the power to kill. (Which would explain the fact the night scenes mention his dreams).

in which case, Eloth's suggestion DOES get a small degree of merit, but it also means that we have to lynch almost at random to find the other scum whose name escapes me.

i'd much rather get rid of somebody that's known first

vote Spite

re-reading this, I didn't explain the underlined part nearly well enough as it sounds in my head.
basically, if we are to adapt the setting, the sizeable conspirator force in the capital has a single figure head--Liu Bei, who can give out assasination orders. once he dies, the next scum will get to be in charge, which in game mechanics will mean he gets an NK ability.

[Alkend]

Korvalain, on 22 April 2010 - 04:54 PM, said:

Posting PMs in thread shouldn't be tolerated. Having said that, I haven't really felt the case toward Sorrit, as I've stated before, and I don't think we should lynch him today.

On the other hand, if he's clever scum I would regret saying that come the end of the game. So I'm open to discussion.

I've been having major PING PING radar action with Alkend the past day or so. So far today (last three or four pages?), Alkend has contributed zip, although he's been around.

Alkend, on 22 April 2010 - 03:22 AM, said:

back
all the semantics make my head hurt, considering we're discussing something that only 3 (or 4) people saw, and basing the game plan around that.

here's a wild curveball for the rest of you: what if D'rek made the symps paired? they wouldn't be able to reveal, since D'rek out lined the inno power roles either in the OP, or in the sign up thread, but they would be able to play more effectively.

Summary of the situation plus some bullshit about crazy setups.

Alkend, on 22 April 2010 - 03:23 AM, said:

having thrown that out there, ima go crawl into my bed. 2 more days.......

Alkend, on 22 April 2010 - 01:04 PM, said:

i'm back and catching up

Catching up...

Alkend, on 22 April 2010 - 01:28 PM, said:

place seems to be dead again...

since I've missed the entirety of Kesso's big post debacle, I feel inclined to look elsewhere for ways of finding scum, since all the info about that is reserved to a few players.

And this is all he came back with. He is inclined to look elsewhere, but hasn't actually done so or really offered anything whatsoever.

This whole series of posts makes me think that Alkend is scum with nothing to do - i.e. nobody is attacking him right now, so he doesn't want to get involved in discussions and is constipated on thread (yes).

vote Alkend

edit to add - when I say "today", I mean real time, not game time.

double edit - for those who have problem with multiquote... all I do is click the "multiquote" button for each post, then click on "Add Reply" and it works. Doesn't seem to matter what page the posts were on or anything. Are you sure you're clicking "add reply" and not just "reply"?

Sorrit, on 22 April 2010 - 05:06 PM, said:

I could gt behind an Alkend lynch. I have played scum like that in the past. Usually when the inno's are chasing their own tails.

remove vote

vote Alkend

once again, if I ruined the game, I apologize. Please modkill me.

Galain, on 22 April 2010 - 06:31 PM, said:

Alright. I have no idea how much longer I'll be available for this day.

So:

Vote Alkend

Of the two, he seems more likely to be scum.

We need more options, tbh. Need more postage.

Tulas Shorn, on 22 April 2010 - 06:42 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 22 April 2010 - 06:10 PM, said:

I just requested a mod-kill.

sorry kids. Wasn't my intention to break the rules.

if your vote is on me please place it elsewhere. This will be my last post

Don't be a baby. If you are ri or scum your last several posts are not a good way to play the game. Right now I am leaning toward you being ri. Not enough to pi you but enough to remove my vote for today.

Remove vote

I don't have a feel for either alkend or kaschan. Not sure how much info a speed lynch will give us but it is more info then we have now.

Vote alkend

Karosis, on 22 April 2010 - 06:43 PM, said:

D, on 22 April 2010 - 06:35 PM, said:

I'm here...
Stil thinking...

Ok, well in the meantime

vote Alkend

D, on 22 April 2010 - 07:35 PM, said:

remove vote

vote Alkend

[Alkend]

To be honest, I don't see much in the above train, but the Galain vote bugs me a little. considering that people were voting me because I was
1) a low poster
2) hadn't contributed much
3) people had no read on me

whereas the other candidate (Sorritt) was throwing tantrums on thread, asking for a modkill and causing a huge wave, I don't really see why I was all that much better. but, obviously, I can't consider myself 100% objective in this case.
However, looking back, I don't see Galain making any waves himself either. being a nice, little, middle-of-the-pack poster, I don't think he's had any attention on himself since that OMGUS vote from me on Day 1....

[Alkend]

can I get a combo breaker, please?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 20 hours and 58 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Alkend, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Sorrit, Spite, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Spite ( Liosan, Karosis, Eloth, Korbas, Alkend )

Players not voted: D'riss, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korvalain, Sorrit, Spite, Tulas Shorn


C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER-ER-ER-ER-ER!!!!!

[Alkend]

thank you,

[D'riss]

Spite, on 23 April 2010 - 12:19 AM, said:

Well i'm back. Firstly Mods there was meant to be a CF for those that were modkilled?

But more importantly WTF? How does one Guard stop 2 killers? They can't. Or are you seriously suggesting that in a game with _21_ players and 2 killers that one Guard stops the kill? That would be completely ridiculous, especially for a standard meat and potatos game. Did you consider the fact that since I was the Kesso's target on Day 2, that the killers thought it would be better to off me since its hard to make a lynch on me after that, and you in fact have been Healing me.

As to the Mods mistake, it could very well be that the killers thought maybe Liosan, and then switched late to me, thusly you were dying, but since they switched I got the Heal. Which is equally likely. In fact it was more likely if you take the setup of the game into account. It was a Mod mistake, we really don't know what happened.

Everything starts and ends with the assumption that Liosan is saying the truth and he is inno. You admit Liosan is infact inno. I wasn't absolutely sure since I didn't see the part of the CF saying he actually died, only Tulas and Liosan saw it.We all decided to accept that he is indeed inno, because his reveal at that time was something that could give us another clue and get us away from the whole Kesso incident circlejerking.If your CF comes out as a non-main scum, I will go on a crusade against Liosan.

So Spite claims that:

Day Two: Liosan pms PS that his NA will be on Spite. Killers target Liosan.
Nanoseconds before PS resolves night, killers switch their NAs to Spite
PS doesn't notice the PMs on time , registers the kill on Liosan, then notices their PMs, decides they are on time, and changes their NAs to target Spite.

Day Three: Liosan reveals his faction but not his ROLE because Tulas Shorne was online and saw the non-edited post resolving the previous night.
Killers notice Liosan revealing. Killers also notice Liosan has a role.
Killers target Spite AGAIN this night (?!?!?!?)



So you want us actually to believe that killers switched their night actions in Day 2, realised they eventually didnt get the kill as a result of switching their night actions, are mentally challenged not to figure out that what ever Liosan did on Day 2 actually saved him and he will do the same in Day 3, and take another stab at you in Day 3.

Bullocks.

Liosan revealed roled inno, because Tulas Shorn saw it. He didn't reveal his role though. And now Killers have such a great opportunity to strip team town from one of their two roled players and for some reason they would STILL target you? Why, because its easier to convince the rest of us to lynch Liosan?


Vote Spite

[D'riss]

Path-Shaper, here's a new one:

Karatallid, on 23 April 2010 - 01:54 AM, said:

Alkend,any thoughts on the Spite = scum train (of thought)?

Alkend goes on a quote rampage about the Alkend lynch push from Day 3....



Statistical analysis of probabilities about Mafia players clearly proves that reading comprehension becomes non-existent after the 16th page, in precisely 96.34343434 repeating %.




PS: No pun, Alkend, just heading to bed and felt like pulling your leg.

[Alkend]

no worries
I have limited net time, between when I come from work and when I collapse to sleep. I tend to do a lot of lonely posting in here, since no one is ever around.

[Hood's Path]

Ok, we are up to 6 of 8 votes on Spite. I will be around for the most part and am set to vote for Spite, but will hold my vote for now since I'm not going anywhere and there's a ton of time. If anyone wants to talk, thz kewl.


edit: grammar fail

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 23 April 2010 - 03:40 AM