[Eloth]

@ Gamelon

Right a inno posting his thoughts on SH by accident on the game thread could be seen as a reveal. But if everyone did it it leads to breaking of the game that why you take care while sending pms to SH as I've nearly done the same thing that PB did. Now the editing of a post so that the entire context of the post is changed is a modkillable offense. That not just to scum but to all players.

Also I think Korbas who had a skim of that post voted kesso first and I'm sure he commented that it sounded on the lines he was thinking of deflecting from some character. I'll find the posts and put them up. If I'm wrong Korbas I apologise.

This post has been edited by Eloth: 21 April 2010 - 02:13 PM

[Gamelon]

 Eloth, on 21 April 2010 - 02:12 PM, said:

@ Gamelon

Right a inno posting his thoughts on SH by accident on the game thread could be seen as a reveal. But if everyone did it it leads to breaking of the game that why you take care while sending pms to SH as I've nearly done the same thing that PB did. Now the editing of a post so that the entire context of the post is changed is a modkillable offense. That not just to scum but to all players.

Whats the chances of everyone making the mistake of posting their thoughts to PM on thread?
Whats to stop scum from making a fake "mistake"?


not as damning as one would think.

[Tulas Shorn]

Here are all of the posts starting with the mess up and then moving on for a few.

 Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:20 PM, said:

edit - wow, talk about a fail reply

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:22 PM, said:

Or I might possibly have used Emurlahn and Fener because I mixed up their alts in the past. I hold that D'riss' post is by far the scummiest so far and not lynching him because he might be a noob is misguided at best.

 Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:23 PM, said:

@Sorrit, it's a valid point, dude, but I think a vote for Omtose doesn't do much good. BCS he's a symp. I think you vote Spite or vote nothing.

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:23 PM, said:

What the hell? Did you just remove an entire post Kesso?

 Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 04:23 PM, said:

@ Kess- I don't know if I should "Clearly be voting Spite and not Omtose for that". I see what you are saying, but I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

 Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 04:24 PM, said:

woah... x-post. and my last post is invalid cause Kesso just deleted wall-o text.... hiding a mistake Kess?

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:25 PM, said:

 Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:20 PM, said:

edit - wow, talk about a fail reply

For those of you who came in too late to see it. This was a long-ish post proclaiming me a possible symp for voting D'riss thus drawing attention away from Sorrit or Omtose. There were some quotes too. This most be some of the most unacceptable shit I've seen in a mafia game in some time. Editing away an entire post? One must wonder what you accidentally revealed here.

Here is where Korbas says that the post was an attempt to frame him as a possible symp.

 Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:26 PM, said:

Oh well.Vote KessobahnYou may as well lynch me now for that. It was a pretty huge mistake, but it will break the game if you repost it.

 Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 04:27 PM, said:

 Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:23 PM, said:

@Sorrit, it's a valid point, dude, but I think a vote for Omtose doesn't do much good. BCS he's a symp. I think you vote Spite or vote nothing.

but I don't necessarily think he's symping Spite... I think he was muddying the waters, setting me up for an easy lynch. why me? idk, but I don't like it regardless... like I said, could be an honest mistake, but I know I always double check my vote before I let one fly.

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:28 PM, said:

 Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:26 PM, said:

Oh well.Vote KessobahnYou may as well lynch me now for that. It was a pretty huge mistake, but it will break the game if you repost it.

Wha...?

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:30 PM, said:

Huh, funny. I must've skimmed your post something serious. I guess I was too indignant about the whole you're lying about Emurlahn and Fener stuff.

 Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 04:30 PM, said:

gotcharemove vote vote Kessobahn

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:34 PM, said:

Well, If none of us caught this game breaking thing of yours? Sorrit? It seems a pretty dumb mistake to make but if it hasn't influenced the game it would be more than a little unfair to lynch you for it.

 Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 04:37 PM, said:

haha I am trying to remember exactly what was said, but I can't as I was skimming a bit and I am also at work. something along the lines of getting Fener and Emur Mixed up, but he seemed to be defending Omtose. So I am thinking Kess is a probable symp to Omtose. arrrrgggh. wish I could remember exactly.

Here is the first time anyone says that Kesso was defending Omtose.

[Tulas Shorn]

 Gamelon, on 21 April 2010 - 02:21 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 21 April 2010 - 02:12 PM, said:

@ Gamelon

Right a inno posting his thoughts on SH by accident on the game thread could be seen as a reveal. But if everyone did it it leads to breaking of the game that why you take care while sending pms to SH as I've nearly done the same thing that PB did. Now the editing of a post so that the entire context of the post is changed is a modkillable offense. That not just to scum but to all players.

Whats the chances of everyone making the mistake of posting their thoughts to PM on thread?
Whats to stop scum from making a fake "mistake"?


not as damning as one would think.

Gamelon we know that Scum would never stoop so low as to accidentally on Purpose post a fake pm saying some thoughts. That would be a violation of the sanctity of PM's.

[Tulas Shorn]

Also I just noticed this


Ampelas 2
Anomandaris 2
Tapper 1
Sukul Ankhadu 1

We have a mod and a modkilled player then two players with the same amount of posts as them. For shame peoples for shame.

[Eloth]

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:23 PM, said:

What the hell? Did you just remove an entire post Kesso?

 Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:25 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:22 PM, said:

Or I might possibly have used Emurlahn and Fener because I mixed up their alts in the past.

I hold that D'riss' post is by far the scummiest so far and not lynching him because he might be a noob is misguided at best.

Yep, this w/ your prev post is also a good point.

It's definitely callous to mercilessly lynch new players for mistakes, but 1) We don't KNOW that he's new, plenty of old hat players make goofy mistakes because they try new strategies and whatnot. And 2) I believe that players learn from mistakes only if they don't get away with them.

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:25 PM, said:

 Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:20 PM, said:

edit - wow, talk about a fail reply

For those of you who came in too late to see it. This was a long-ish post proclaiming me a possible symp for voting D'riss thus drawing attention away from Sorrit or Omtose. There were some quotes too.

This most be some of the most unacceptable shit I've seen in a mafia game in some time. Editing away an entire post? One must wonder what you accidentally revealed here.

 Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:26 PM, said:

Oh well.

Vote Kessobahn

You may as well lynch me now for that. It was a pretty huge mistake, but it will break the game if you repost it.

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:30 PM, said:

Huh, funny. I must've skimmed your post something serious. I guess I was too indignant about the whole you're lying about Emurlahn and Fener stuff.

[Eloth]

 Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 04:30 PM, said:

gotcha



remove vote

vote Kessobahn

 Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:31 PM, said:

I was trying to send some private thoughts to spoilers and clearly I messed up and posted to the wrong location.

I don't like requesting a modkill, but it's probably best that you lynch me off since two of you saw it.

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:34 PM, said:

Well, If none of us caught this game breaking thing of yours? Sorrit?

It seems a pretty dumb mistake to make but if it hasn't influenced the game it would be more than a little unfair to lynch you for it.

 Eloth, on 20 April 2010 - 04:35 PM, said:

All I caught is that you edited a post, not the post before.

 Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 04:37 PM, said:

haha I am trying to remember exactly what was said, but I can't as I was skimming a bit and I am also at work.

something along the lines of getting Fener and Emur Mixed up, but he seemed to be defending Omtose. So I am thinking Kess is a probable symp to Omtose. arrrrgggh. wish I could remember exactly.

 Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 04:39 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:34 PM, said:

Well, If none of us caught this game breaking thing of yours? Sorrit?

It seems a pretty dumb mistake to make but if it hasn't influenced the game it would be more than a little unfair to lynch you for it.

Why would an RI have something to hide? or be able to "break the game" clearly he isn't.

 Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:41 PM, said:

Well I'm not gonna say any more. You're welcome to not lynch me, I sure do like being alive, but if nobody fully read everything I posted, it's not as big a catastrophe as I thought.

I'll probably get killed anyway if you don't lynch me, so there's always that.

But since I put my foot in my mouth quite a bit, I'm just going to

Remove Vote

And see you guys later. If you still want to lynch me, that's fine.

 Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 05:52 PM, said:

Sorry PB. That Blows. I feel bad for ya.

But you were trying to deflect me off of my Omtose vote. Which makes me want to vote it more.

vote Omtose

for his blunder I pointed out previously, and for Kesso trying to get me off that vote by saying it's easy to mix up names.

 Korvalain, on 20 April 2010 - 09:36 PM, said:

Right, I'm off to bed soon.

vote Omtose

By far the best lead so far. If he does turn out to be scum, Tulas Shorn would be worth looking at as well.

 Hood, on 20 April 2010 - 10:01 PM, said:

Vote Omtose

 Alkend, on 21 April 2010 - 04:57 AM, said:

vote Omtose

 Karosis, on 21 April 2010 - 05:53 AM, said:

vote Omtose

 Galain, on 21 April 2010 - 06:25 AM, said:

Vote Omtose.

 Gamelon, on 21 April 2010 - 09:00 AM, said:

Vote Omtose

 D, on 21 April 2010 - 09:40 AM, said:

vote Omtose

 Omtose, on 21 April 2010 - 09:52 AM, said:

remove vote
vote Omtose

 Spite, on 21 April 2010 - 10:55 AM, said:

Vote Omtose

 Eloth, on 21 April 2010 - 11:43 AM, said:

Vote Omtose

Right I removed the bulk of the text, I just want to point something out, mainly time of votes and who voted for him.
Underlines added by me. Read what Korbas said what he thought he read and what sorrit thought he read.
Also Sorrit voted for Omtose but Korbas disappeared.

[Gamelon]

So korbas and sorrit both saw something about omtose in the kessoh post.
Yet they differ on what was said?

Sorrit states that kessoh said he was trying to defelct people off his omtose vote?. wait where the hell did spite come into all this then?
While korbas said that kessoh was talking about him being omtoses symp?


someone is lying then?

[Eloth]

Exactly, also D'riss I think backs up Sorrit somewhere anong his ramblings of numbers.

[Hood's Path]

 Gamelon, on 21 April 2010 - 02:39 PM, said:

So korbas and sorrit both saw something about omtose in the kessoh post.
Yet they differ on what was said?

Sorrit states that kessoh said he was trying to defelct people off his omtose vote?. wait where the hell did spite come into all this then?
While korbas said that kessoh was talking about him being omtoses symp?


someone is lying then?

Can you try this post again with less pronouns? I've read it twice and can't quite figure out what you're saying. Since when was Spite apart of anything?*

Kesso was saying Sorrit is trying to deflect from Omtose according to Sorrit?
Kesso was saying Korbas is Omtose's symp according to Korbas? (I'm want to be sure which "him" and "he" you're referring to).

If the first one (what you claim sorrit says) is right, why would that make Sorrit want to vote Omtose? If Kesso's opinion was Sorrit is trying to deflect from Omtose, then that doesn't mean anything really. And was there really pressure on Omtose at that point?

I thought I had this straight in my head...



*edit: (aside from the spite/sorrit slip) Your post makes it sound like there was additional speculation.

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 21 April 2010 - 03:01 PM

[Hood's Path]

whee! PS is here.

[Tulas Shorn]

That is why I voted for sorrit none of it made sense to me. The only pressure on omtose at that point was from sorrit.
The thing that I find interesting is that korbas just disappears. I know that we all have lives and that I am not one to talk about disappearing, but korbas was right there when the whole thing went down. Then he didn't vote for anyone.

[Gamelon]

 Hood, on 21 April 2010 - 02:55 PM, said:

 Gamelon, on 21 April 2010 - 02:39 PM, said:

So korbas and sorrit both saw something about omtose in the kessoh post.
Yet they differ on what was said?

Sorrit states that kessoh said he was trying to defelct people off his omtose vote?. wait where the hell did spite come into all this then?
While korbas said that kessoh was talking about him being omtoses symp?


someone is lying then?

Can you try this post again with less pronouns? I've read it twice and can't quite figure out what you're saying. Since when was Spite apart of anything?*

yea sorry its difficult to put in words what someone else said about yet another person without it getting rather muddled...

 Hood, on 21 April 2010 - 02:55 PM, said:

Kesso was saying Sorrit is trying to deflect from Omtose according to Sorrit?
Kesso was saying Korbas is Omtose's symp according to Korbas? (I'm want to be sure which "him" and "he" you're referring to).

no...what im trying to say is...

Sorrit said that kessoh posted something about trying to divert sorrits vote away from omtose.
Korbas said that kessoh posted something about Korbas being omtos or sorrits' symp.

 Hood, on 21 April 2010 - 02:55 PM, said:

If the first one (what you claim sorrit says) is right, why would that make Sorrit want to vote Omtose? If Kesso's opinion was Sorrit is trying to deflect from Omtose, then that doesn't mean anything really. And was there really pressure on Omtose at that point?

I thought I had this straight in my head...

nope you got it a bit muddled, my bad i suppose...

 Hood, on 21 April 2010 - 02:55 PM, said:

*edit: (aside from the spite/sorrit slip) Your post makes it sound like there was additional speculation.

Omtose mentioned spite in his breakdown post on who he thought was scum...it didnt make sense to me and we I quearied him about it, i think he ended up conceding the point, I was just wondering how the whole spite thing came about really?



edit - my tags...my beautiful tags

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 21 April 2010 - 03:14 PM

[Hood's Path]

 Gamelon, on 21 April 2010 - 03:12 PM, said:

no...what im trying to say is...

Sorrit said that kessoh posted something about trying to divert sorrits vote away from omtose.

Ok, that makes more sense then.

[Hood's Path]

 Tulas Shorn, on 21 April 2010 - 03:09 PM, said:

That is why I voted for sorrit none of it made sense to me. The only pressure on omtose at that point was from sorrit.
The thing that I find interesting is that korbas just disappears. I know that we all have lives and that I am not one to talk about disappearing, but korbas was right there when the whole thing went down. Then he didn't vote for anyone.

@the underlined part

I thought about this, and the possible conclusion I came to was that PB is a pretty subtle player - he is certainly capable of pushing people in certain directions even when there is little immediate pressure. And I would go so far as to say that he likes to do this sort of thing.

It's meta reasoning, I know, but made sense to me as a possibility.

And yeah, I went back to see what people where doing when things went down and Korbas makes an unspectacular exit. He just leaves his previous vote on D'riss. That combined with D'riss avoiding saying anything for some time about the Kesso thing... Possibly something fishy there.

Go PS Go!

[Gamelon]

 Tulas Shorn, on 21 April 2010 - 03:09 PM, said:

That is why I voted for sorrit none of it made sense to me. The only pressure on omtose at that point was from sorrit.
The thing that I find interesting is that korbas just disappears. I know that we all have lives and that I am not one to talk about disappearing, but korbas was right there when the whole thing went down. Then he didn't vote for anyone.

i admit to the same feeling of...erm...well... "doubt" when it comes to sorrit.

But at the same time i coulndt ignore what kessoh said himself.
"game breaking"post and his self vote does not to me seem like something an inno would worry about or do.
However as a symp it screams to me as someone who would do exactly what kessoh did..

An inno posting his thoughts by mistake on thread is really not going to break the game.
Most of us would have taken it with a pinch of salt if he had just left it in all its glory.
We would have no way of knowing if it was genuine or not.
So he MUSt have said SOMETHING thats really damning and the only thing i can think of is he was talking about his master or how to help him..etc.

so first things first for me is to test sorrits claim on what he "saw"
I admit to actually missing korbas's post, in fact i didnt miss it as such...i just thought it was sorrit who posted that aswell.
Korbas going missing is also very strange as it was quite a huge thing that had just happened.


all in all very strange, weird and pretty worrying

[Path-Shaper]

Heya all, Tapper here. I'm going to scrounch up the vote count and see if we have a lynch, then do some spoiler heaven stuff, then come up with a D'rek-a-like story.
In other words: some patience, please.

[Tulas Shorn]

 Hood, on 21 April 2010 - 03:20 PM, said:

 Tulas Shorn, on 21 April 2010 - 03:09 PM, said:

That is why I voted for sorrit none of it made sense to me. The only pressure on omtose at that point was from sorrit.
The thing that I find interesting is that korbas just disappears. I know that we all have lives and that I am not one to talk about disappearing, but korbas was right there when the whole thing went down. Then he didn't vote for anyone.

@the underlined part

I thought about this, and the possible conclusion I came to was that PB is a pretty subtle player - he is certainly capable of pushing people in certain directions even when there is little immediate pressure. And I would go so far as to say that he likes to do this sort of thing.

It's meta reasoning, I know, but made sense to me as a possibility.

And yeah, I went back to see what people where doing when things went down and Korbas makes an unspectacular exit. He just leaves his previous vote on D'riss. That combined with D'riss avoiding saying anything for some time about the Kesso thing... Possibly something fishy there.

Go PS Go!

HP that would be a new level of subtleness on PB's part. He managed to get a player who was voting for another player to lynch the player he was voting for. That is probably the best subtle move I have ever seen.

I have noticed how all of the pressure on D'riss seemed to melt away. Not totally with out cause but still if that was PB's move then it worked well.

All hail PB the master manipulator!!!

[Hood's Path]

Gamelon apparently has a mental block when it comes to K names.....

And dammit, I can't stay around any longer, I guess I get to see the results several hours from now.

[Gamelon]

 Path-Shaper, on 21 April 2010 - 03:26 PM, said:

Heya all, Tapper here. I'm going to scrounch up the vote count and see if we have a lynch, then do some spoiler heaven stuff, then come up with a D'rek-a-like story.
In other words: some patience, please.

ahh well.....home time for me then.
Ill only be back tomorrow morn as per usual.

bugger, really wanted to see the CF on omtose.