[Tulas Shorn]

Eloth, on 20 April 2010 - 02:46 PM, said:

The problem is D'riss is diverting attention from no one, there was no accusation made or no attempted lynches.

I can understand the move if he was symp but whoever he was fucking symping for was in no fucking danger as there was no lynch so he just fucking boned the scum team if he is.

If he killer he fucking boned team scum again by fucking putting a fifty foot neon sign above his head with the words current viable lynch.

And if he inno he screwing town over with his fucking stupid logic and will be drawing our attention away from the scum who truly need to be lynched.

The result is 50/50 if he inno or scum, now would scum be so stupid I would hope not. It ruins the fun for both teams.

Now unless there more Newbs in this game we have to believe this is a player with a few games under his belt, not the sort of move I would expect from them.

Inno players win by speculating the setup and trying to find players who could fit that speculation.

What D'riss has said is so fucking whacky I want to ask him what is he taking and is it legal.

Ok looked at the list there one name I don't recognise, ED?

Yeah it was my understanding that there were two noobs playing. I would be tempted to give D'riss a possible pass but I have been burned before by noobs who turned out to be scum. However, I would also hate to lynch a noob based on one single wrong move. What am I saying we lynch vet's off of one wrong move.
Still I am going to with hold final judgment and my vote till D'riss has a chance to come back and explain his post.

[Eloth]

The post reads like if it a new player, but the giving out of percentage chances of one team winning seems familiar, could it be that D'riss is a vet trying to fake it as a new player?

[Tulas Shorn]

That is a possibility. But that thinking brings up a lot if wifom. Which might have been the plan if d'riss is a symp. Take a risky gamble and hope that you can slide out of it by coming off as a possible noob

[Eloth]

I want D'riss to explain himself as I can't work out any of his reasoning.

[D'riss]

Give me a sec to check things up, you guys freaked out suddenly, perhaps there was indeed a mistake in the numbers...


As far as the cult thing ,

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It will start early next week and will either be my Mistborn game if there are 19 players, or one of D'reks Rot3K games if the numbers are lower.

Mistborn will be a three faction game with a cult, based on Brandon Sanderson's series of the same. TMDI will be around 8, myself PB and HD will mod. Mechanics are pretty cool, even if I do say so myself

This is what Alt said in the sign up thread. For some reason (and yes I've read the OP) it has stuck to me that 19 or more players = game with cult.

[Eloth]

Wrong game, it was either this game or mistborn.

[Sorrit]

Pretty sure this is a M & P. This is D'rek's game so that means fairly straight forward ( as per the sign-up thread) and a whole lot of names we get to confuse.

the OP also says 2 killers not sure why this is a big issue either, the I suppose D'rek could have thrown in a wild card.. but being a M & P I doubt it. 2 killers, 3 symps. thats my guess. mark it.

[Kessobahn]

Path-Shaper, on 20 April 2010 - 09:21 AM, said:

The esteemed members of the court argued fervently, but many had drunk too much wine during the banquet and the debates quickly fled the topic of the conspirators and plunged into horrifying acts that disturbed even the court eunuchs. Hearing the highest offices of the court debate the likelihood of the majestic dragon being an androgynous sex machine drove one official to grieve for the lost majesty of the Han before he plunged his head into the wine bowl and drowned.

Anomandaris (Bent) has killed himself. He was Che Zhou, Inspector of Xuzhou.

The officials were then lead off to their guest quarters by the estate's servants. When they convened in the morning, one of their number was missing.

Ampelas (Jusentantanka) is dead. She was Zhang He, General of the Flying Cavalry.

Wow man, seriously? Two things.

First, you gotta love D'rek's Chinese games. They may be walls of mad old school text, but a death scene is always funnier when it's written in that fashion.

Second, it looks like someone managed to kill off the new player... AGAIN. And we didn't even lynch him. I feel bad for the guy. He's stuck in bed and can't do anything and now all he can do is sit in spoilers. I hope it doesn't sour his experience and he'll come back again in the next game.

[Sorrit]

Omtose, on 20 April 2010 - 06:24 AM, said:

Well, coming off the ganny-love spam there is some stuff happening

I don't disagree with the vote on Barghast, not because he's a high poster with low content (it's only day 1) but because his 4-5 first posts were whining about his avatar and how it's obviously so ugly that we might lynch him early or something. Someone was over-self concious about this.

I don't think there's time for a lynch, but just for this post:

Spite, on 20 April 2010 - 04:44 AM, said:

Well nice to see we are getting serious now, I've browsed back through the thread but there's nothing there which is vote worthy for me even for Day 1.

Basically its down to voting for someone for posting lots of nothing, or posting nothing and really I don't think there's a huge amount of point at the moment.

I kinda have to agree with Alkend, we're already losing one to a Modkill we've got nothing to go on at the moment, so unless something more solid comes up I don't think its worth a vote.

vote Sorrit


I know the type, "nothing vote worthy", "nothing to go on", scum.

I know my and Spite's name begin with the same letter, but come on. This looks like blatant signaling/fake sympage to me.

vote Omtose

for being a probable symp. I know, I know, go for Killers, but this really stood out as the first real mistake of the game.

[Kessobahn]

D, on 20 April 2010 - 01:42 PM, said:

Let's look at the numbers:

Assuming 2 scums:
20 players 2 scums= Chance of scum winning 48,51%
18 players 2 scums= Chance of scum winning 45,97% (we had 1 modkill, 1 nightkill, this is our current situation)
17 players 2 scums= Chance of scum winning 33,95% (This is the situation we would be if we have had a lynch, the modkill and the nightkill)
16 players 2 scums= Chance of scum winning 43,01% (This would be the situation if we actually had the lynch, the modkill and scum killed two at night, it wouldn't make it clear though if they have outside communication abilities)

Did you know that 85% of all statistics are made up?

Seriously, that post is not good.

[Sorrit]

Spite, on 20 April 2010 - 04:44 AM, said:

Well nice to see we are getting serious now, I've browsed back through the thread but there's nothing there which is vote worthy for me even for Day 1.

Basically its down to voting for someone for posting lots of nothing, or posting nothing and really I don't think there's a huge amount of point at the moment.

I kinda have to agree with Alkend, we're already losing one to a Modkill we've got nothing to go on at the moment, so unless something more solid comes up I don't think its worth a vote.

That last sentence is bunk. Even if nobody posted anything a lynch is better than no lynch. it's not about losing inno's, it's about gaining info. Inno's have the advantage of numbers. That's our one advantage, that and noticing trends and patterns and who votes for who. Dicking around, talking about my grandma's titties and then having no lynch because an inno decides to off himself is an aweful strategy. Now we are 19 players starting over, not 21, whereas we could be 18 players with a train to analyze, votes to question, and info for later in the game.

meh, bad start.

[Kessobahn]

D, on 20 April 2010 - 03:31 PM, said:

Give me a sec to check things up, you guys freaked out suddenly, perhaps there was indeed a mistake in the numbers...


As far as the cult thing ,

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It will start early next week and will either be my Mistborn game if there are 19 players, or one of D'reks Rot3K games if the numbers are lower.

Mistborn will be a three faction game with a cult, based on Brandon Sanderson's series of the same. TMDI will be around 8, myself PB and HD will mod. Mechanics are pretty cool, even if I do say so myself

This is what Alt said in the sign up thread. For some reason (and yes I've read the OP) it has stuck to me that 19 or more players = game with cult.

That's a reasonable explanation, but your numbers still look like voodoo economics, dude.

Still, it's almost established fact that innos speculate the setup and not scum.

[Sorrit]

I'm pretty sure we all agree that D'riss shit the bed in everyway possible with that post.

[Kessobahn]

Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 03:43 PM, said:

Omtose, on 20 April 2010 - 06:24 AM, said:

Well, coming off the ganny-love spam there is some stuff happening

I don't disagree with the vote on Barghast, not because he's a high poster with low content (it's only day 1) but because his 4-5 first posts were whining about his avatar and how it's obviously so ugly that we might lynch him early or something. Someone was over-self concious about this.

I don't think there's time for a lynch, but just for this post:

Spite, on 20 April 2010 - 04:44 AM, said:

Well nice to see we are getting serious now, I've browsed back through the thread but there's nothing there which is vote worthy for me even for Day 1.

Basically its down to voting for someone for posting lots of nothing, or posting nothing and really I don't think there's a huge amount of point at the moment.

I kinda have to agree with Alkend, we're already losing one to a Modkill we've got nothing to go on at the moment, so unless something more solid comes up I don't think its worth a vote.

vote Sorrit


I know the type, "nothing vote worthy", "nothing to go on", scum.

I know my and Spite's name begin with the same letter, but come on. This looks like blatant signaling/fake sympage to me.

vote Omtose

for being a probable symp. I know, I know, go for Killers, but this really stood out as the first real mistake of the game.

lol, that is a pretty good catch and a worthy OMGUS vote.

I think I would epic facepalm if your case turned out to be true. That would go in the hall of fame for "whoops" moves.

[Eloth]

Right D'riss confusion about what game this is would have been cured by reading the OP in the first place which says this is a ROT3K game and not a mistborn based game.

[Kessobahn]

Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 03:56 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure we all agree that D'riss shit the bed in everyway possible with that post.

I dunno about that. When you shit the bed, you can at least throw the sheets in the laundry and they'll come out smelling like springtime. I don't know that D'riss can shake the stench of that probabilistic nonsense any time soon.

[Karosis]

D, on 20 April 2010 - 03:31 PM, said:

Give me a sec to check things up, you guys freaked out suddenly, perhaps there was indeed a mistake in the numbers...


As far as the cult thing ,

Quote

It will start early next week and will either be my Mistborn game if there are 19 players, or one of D'reks Rot3K games if the numbers are lower.

Mistborn will be a three faction game with a cult, based on Brandon Sanderson's series of the same. TMDI will be around 8, myself PB and HD will mod. Mechanics are pretty cool, even if I do say so myself

This is what Alt said in the sign up thread. For some reason (and yes I've read the OP) it has stuck to me that 19 or more players = game with cult.

This is Drek's game, not alt's game. Not enough people wanted to play a high TMDI game. And if this was alt's, it wouldnt be a case of 'maybe there's a cult', it would be a case of 'there is a cult'. How much attention have to being paying?

I'm pretty WIFOMed at this point, you sound like a noob making a huge mistake, but the other new guy claimed to have read up on all of the previous games (which would include D'reks previous Rot3K games) and would recognise the setting and what had happened. But at the same time I cant imagine any of the regulars being this lost...

Meh, symp trying for a distraction seems like a bit of a stretch though, especially since noone else is under any sort of serious pressure.

remove vote

IGMEOY

[Karosis]

Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 03:43 PM, said:

Omtose, on 20 April 2010 - 06:24 AM, said:

Well, coming off the ganny-love spam there is some stuff happening

I don't disagree with the vote on Barghast, not because he's a high poster with low content (it's only day 1) but because his 4-5 first posts were whining about his avatar and how it's obviously so ugly that we might lynch him early or something. Someone was over-self concious about this.

I don't think there's time for a lynch, but just for this post:

Spite, on 20 April 2010 - 04:44 AM, said:

Well nice to see we are getting serious now, I've browsed back through the thread but there's nothing there which is vote worthy for me even for Day 1.

Basically its down to voting for someone for posting lots of nothing, or posting nothing and really I don't think there's a huge amount of point at the moment.

I kinda have to agree with Alkend, we're already losing one to a Modkill we've got nothing to go on at the moment, so unless something more solid comes up I don't think its worth a vote.

vote Sorrit


I know the type, "nothing vote worthy", "nothing to go on", scum.

I know my and Spite's name begin with the same letter, but come on. This looks like blatant signaling/fake sympage to me.

vote Omtose

for being a probable symp. I know, I know, go for Killers, but this really stood out as the first real mistake of the game.

Interesting catch, but who exactly do you think he was trying to signal? As you say it's better to go for the killer. Which in this case would likely be you or Spite? So why no vote on Spite?

[Korbas]

Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 03:43 PM, said:

Omtose, on 20 April 2010 - 06:24 AM, said:

Well, coming off the ganny-love spam there is some stuff happening

I don't disagree with the vote on Barghast, not because he's a high poster with low content (it's only day 1) but because his 4-5 first posts were whining about his avatar and how it's obviously so ugly that we might lynch him early or something. Someone was over-self concious about this.

I don't think there's time for a lynch, but just for this post:

Spite, on 20 April 2010 - 04:44 AM, said:

Well nice to see we are getting serious now, I've browsed back through the thread but there's nothing there which is vote worthy for me even for Day 1.

Basically its down to voting for someone for posting lots of nothing, or posting nothing and really I don't think there's a huge amount of point at the moment.

I kinda have to agree with Alkend, we're already losing one to a Modkill we've got nothing to go on at the moment, so unless something more solid comes up I don't think its worth a vote.

vote Sorrit


I know the type, "nothing vote worthy", "nothing to go on", scum.

I know my and Spite's name begin with the same letter, but come on. This looks like blatant signaling/fake sympage to me.

vote Omtose

for being a probable symp. I know, I know, go for Killers, but this really stood out as the first real mistake of the game.

I dunno, I've voted for Emurlahn when I meant to vote for Fener in the past. It's interesting of course why he made the slip but it seems a little far fetched still.


It could easily be that D'riss is a new player but this whole let's not lynch the noob thing is just silly. We lynch based on what seems suspicious, and trying to imply there's a cult in a regular killer vs inno game is very suspicious whether he's new or not. Furthermore, that strange case of statistics cannot -in my eyes- be anything but the result of someone feeling the need to contribute something important without actually doing so.

Logically, if we believe that D'riss is a new player and not just someone who felt they had enough information to not have any need of reading the OP, that actually strengthens the case against him. A new player is more likely to make a classic scum mistake, and that post screams scum.

vote D'riss

[Sorrit]

My vote is for fake signaling and fake sympage. I know I am not a killer, it looks to me like he was trying to get caught signaling me, so that I would then be voted off. A spite vote would be an interesting possibility though, as maybe he was actually signaling by not voting who he meant too....though that is a risky move if it gets caught, which it did. Hell, it might have been a real case of mixed up alt's. But in this case to me it looks like a frame job.

EDIT: added "voting who he meant" for clarity.

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 20 April 2010 - 04:14 PM