[Galain]

Well, it's going to get exciting now!

Lol.

@HP: I've noticed it somewhat as well. I purposefully asked a question and didn't get a response.

[Korvalain]

Once more, with feeling: D'riss, no more.

It'll be interesting to see what Omtose comes back with after his catch up

[Galain]

Karosis, on 21 April 2010 - 05:53 AM, said:

Unless there's something fairly screwy going on behind the scenes, it's more than likely Kesso was a symp and the evidence points at him symping Omtose.

Of course if Omtose is inno Sorrit will be on the chopping block straight away - Sorrit obviously knows that and I cant imagine that as a scum he would push so hard to get a single inno lynched when it will obviously get him killed.

vote Omtose

@D'riss - Mafia isn't a numbers game, except on rare occasions near the end game where you need to crunch some quick stats to work out what the best course of action is. As someone else mentioned, the fact scum have a 3% better chance of winning because there is one less inno is pretty irrelevant. To express the chances of hitting scum as a percentage implies that lynches are purely random, which is going completely against the point of the game.

Explain why Sorrit would be on the block right away if Omtose is inno, Karosis?

[Omtose]

...

That was one confusing read.

First, I want to say this: I have no clue what D'riss is trying to prove exactly with his massive stats. We're on day 2 FFS, what is he trying to say? That scum has about half chances of winning? Isn't that the definition of a game? He's spending way too much energy on this. Those stats assume random lynches and random kills by the killers, but I dare hope there's a reason we have all these posts on thread to make it something else than random.

OK, then the Kessobahn thing. I have no clue what he could have written to "break the game" for some inno role. If he said that he's going to deflect FROM me, then I am lost for words. I'm not a killer, so unless he made a find on me last night I have no idea why someone would say that, on thread on as a PM to the mods.

Sadly, if it was someone else than me in this position, I would be all over it. I'm not sure what to say to save myself, since I don't have the chance to analyse and counter-argue the offending post. As for "saving my ass" no matter what, it is simply not worth it to disrupt the thread to do so. We can afford a few wrong lynches in the early game.

[Galain]

Well, couldn't really expect anything less than that statement. It's the nature of Mafia.

Omtose, if you are Inno, I feel kind of bad, and PB proved that great Mafia players fuck up. But, you have to be lynched. If it doesn't happen now, you'll be hanging around as the constant, and always distracting from other possible lynches and allow for real scum or symps to hide behind.

But, you very well could be scum just as well.

That's the nature of Mafia.

Vote Omtose.

[Hood's Path]

Omtose, on 21 April 2010 - 06:20 AM, said:

...

That was one confusing read.

First, I want to say this: I have no clue what D'riss is trying to prove exactly with his massive stats. We're on day 2 FFS, what is he trying to say? That scum has about half chances of winning? Isn't that the definition of a game? He's spending way too much energy on this. Those stats assume random lynches and random kills by the killers, but I dare hope there's a reason we have all these posts on thread to make it something else than random.

OK, then the Kessobahn thing. I have no clue what he could have written to "break the game" for some inno role. If he said that he's going to deflect FROM me, then I am lost for words. I'm not a killer, so unless he made a find on me last night I have no idea why someone would say that, on thread on as a PM to the mods.

Sadly, if it was someone else than me in this position, I would be all over it. I'm not sure what to say to save myself, since I don't have the chance to analyse and counter-argue the offending post. As for "saving my ass" no matter what, it is simply not worth it to disrupt the thread to do so. We can afford a few wrong lynches in the early game.

So you're admitting it then?

[Omtose]

And for the record: why is there so much discussions about the nature of the scum team?

- It seemed pretty obvious to me that the killers share the kill every night, that's not M&P otherwise.

- For 20-21 players, as a mod I would have put 3 killers and 1 symp. But since it is clear there's only 2 killers, I guess the remaining one was replaced by 2 symps, it's a bit more delicate for team scum but if well played it is manageable.

- We need to lynch every day, no matter what odds we have and whether the WCS says we will lose at day 6 or something. There's a CF, who cares about the rest?


As for Kesso, if he was modkilled for sharing information on thread that he was not allowed to, that's a bit strange. Like someone said, only scum have extra information, that I can think of. Unless he was modkilled for removing a whole post, no matter what it contained. After all, this is not allowed. But even then, when I'm inno there's nothing I would send to SH that I would panic posting on thread instead.

[Omtose]

Hood, on 21 April 2010 - 06:26 AM, said:

Omtose, on 21 April 2010 - 06:20 AM, said:

...

That was one confusing read.

First, I want to say this: I have no clue what D'riss is trying to prove exactly with his massive stats. We're on day 2 FFS, what is he trying to say? That scum has about half chances of winning? Isn't that the definition of a game? He's spending way too much energy on this. Those stats assume random lynches and random kills by the killers, but I dare hope there's a reason we have all these posts on thread to make it something else than random.

OK, then the Kessobahn thing. I have no clue what he could have written to "break the game" for some inno role. If he said that he's going to deflect FROM me, then I am lost for words. I'm not a killer, so unless he made a find on me last night I have no idea why someone would say that, on thread on as a PM to the mods.

Sadly, if it was someone else than me in this position, I would be all over it. I'm not sure what to say to save myself, since I don't have the chance to analyse and counter-argue the offending post. As for "saving my ass" no matter what, it is simply not worth it to disrupt the thread to do so. We can afford a few wrong lynches in the early game.

So you're admitting it then?

I seriously doubt team scum has a finder.

I meant the only way he would know he should try to save me is if he knew I was inno for sure, and that's the only way I can imagine.

[Hood's Path]

D'rek has made it clear that anyone abusing the post-editing will be modkilled, regardless of their role. The thing is, why edit out your personal thoughts to PS that you accidently put on thread, unless it has something "sensitive" in it? PB isn't one to panic over comments like "I think so-and-so might be a symp".

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- We need to lynch every day, no matter what odds we have and whether the WCS says we will lose at day 6 or something. There's a CF, who cares about the rest?

QFT

[Omtose]

I would vote D'riss for his distracting Wall'O'text but currently the only person he's distracting from is me

I have some time, I'll see if I can dug out some suspicious behavior. Ironically, Spite still tops it. For his day 1 one post where he's begging us to make a "vote-worthy" case for him, and for his post earlier where he's urging us to lynch me without voting himself. Way too cautious that one.

[Karosis]

Galain, on 21 April 2010 - 06:16 AM, said:

Karosis, on 21 April 2010 - 05:53 AM, said:

Unless there's something fairly screwy going on behind the scenes, it's more than likely Kesso was a symp and the evidence points at him symping Omtose.

Of course if Omtose is inno Sorrit will be on the chopping block straight away - Sorrit obviously knows that and I cant imagine that as a scum he would push so hard to get a single inno lynched when it will obviously get him killed.

vote Omtose

@D'riss - Mafia isn't a numbers game, except on rare occasions near the end game where you need to crunch some quick stats to work out what the best course of action is. As someone else mentioned, the fact scum have a 3% better chance of winning because there is one less inno is pretty irrelevant. To express the chances of hitting scum as a percentage implies that lynches are purely random, which is going completely against the point of the game.

Explain why Sorrit would be on the block right away if Omtose is inno, Karosis?

Because he said that Kesso was talking about defending Omtose in the missing post and he's pushed his case on that more than Omtose's initial slip. We have to take his word on that (and Korbas's partly, but he admits more to not remembering what the post said). If Omtose is inno it implies Sorrit was lying to try drive a lynch against Omtose. Not definite, but it would be enough for me to put a vote on Sorrit to be sure.

That said, I hadn't considered Omtose's point that PB might have been a finder who knew Omtose was inno, which is a completely different way of looking at things. That said, I dont see why Kesso would get himself modkilled to hide that he was a finder. If he was a finder and in the smae position as him I would have seen if the rest of the players believed I wasn't trying some convoluted ploy, accept the NK and hopefully CI one person, rather than rob the innos of two players and a wasted day.

Still, he caught have made a rash decision following a stupid mistake, in which case Sorrit might also be inno and have misinterpreted what he read in the deleted post. I think it's much more likely Kesso was a symp, and I can't see an inno pushing a lynch of another inno so hard based on evidence noone else is privvy to.

[Galain]

Thanks for the clarification, that was curiosity as opposed to interrogation.

It's the "gamebreaker" comment that is most damning to the finder finding an inno sort of theory. If it was just a statement to SH, I could see anything being said, but that's no reason to delete an entire post, as it is supposition (or should be) and not based on fact.

[Omtose]

Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 03:43 PM, said:

Omtose, on 20 April 2010 - 06:24 AM, said:

Well, coming off the ganny-love spam there is some stuff happening

I don't disagree with the vote on Barghast, not because he's a high poster with low content (it's only day 1) but because his 4-5 first posts were whining about his avatar and how it's obviously so ugly that we might lynch him early or something. Someone was over-self concious about this.

I don't think there's time for a lynch, but just for this post:

Spite, on 20 April 2010 - 04:44 AM, said:

Well nice to see we are getting serious now, I've browsed back through the thread but there's nothing there which is vote worthy for me even for Day 1.

Basically its down to voting for someone for posting lots of nothing, or posting nothing and really I don't think there's a huge amount of point at the moment.

I kinda have to agree with Alkend, we're already losing one to a Modkill we've got nothing to go on at the moment, so unless something more solid comes up I don't think its worth a vote.

vote Sorrit


I know the type, "nothing vote worthy", "nothing to go on", scum.

I know my and Spite's name begin with the same letter, but come on. This looks like blatant signaling/fake sympage to me.

vote Omtose

for being a probable symp. I know, I know, go for Killers, but this really stood out as the first real mistake of the game.

Actually this one is interesting to me, once the pie-in-the-face-moment is passed.

What is he arguing exactly? He's accusing me of symping/fake-symping/stealing candies/everything else. He's adding

Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 04:27 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 20 April 2010 - 04:23 PM, said:

@Sorrit, it's a valid point, dude, but I think a vote for Omtose doesn't do much good. BCS he's a symp. I think you vote Spite or vote nothing.

but I don't necessarily think he's symping Spite... I think he was muddying the waters, setting me up for an easy lynch. why me? idk, but I don't like it regardless... like I said, could be an honest mistake, but I know I always double check my vote before I let one fly.

How the hell does that "set him up for an easy lynch"? No-one else but him realized the error, and sure as shit no-one else mentioned this as incriminating for Sorrit.

That sounds like a massive over-reaction to me, what I felt on the spot as "holier-than-thou" fake reaction. And sure enough:

Sorrit, on 20 April 2010 - 09:16 PM, said:

(EDIT)

Also, why would I bring up the mistake if he was trying to signal me?

your logic is on par with D'riss' statistical skill. ( kidding D'riss!! )

Yes, why would scum do this? Exactly why: because scum wouldn't do this, right?

A symp would CF inno. No way people would come back after an inno CF and see who he probably would have been "symping". Sorrit launched this attack arguing I'm a symp, and vote me. Only a scum would be so over-sensitive to acts of "sympage" that no-one else saw. Sorrit made a pre-emptive attack, that "no scum would do", to cover a danger that ironically no-one else saw or would ever see.

vote Sorrit.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 21 April 2010 - 07:10 AM

[Omtose]

Karosis, on 21 April 2010 - 06:54 AM, said:

That said, I hadn't considered Omtose's point that PB might have been a finder who knew Omtose was inno, which is a completely different way of looking at things. That said, I dont see why Kesso would get himself modkilled to hide that he was a finder. If he was a finder and in the smae position as him I would have seen if the rest of the players believed I wasn't trying some convoluted ploy, accept the NK and hopefully CI one person, rather than rob the innos of two players and a wasted day.

I actually thought of something else: maybe Kessobahn wrongly assumed I was a symp like him.

In that case, ironically, I think it turns my previous post around, and he agreed that my mistaken vote was a act of sympage, but then it would be most probably for Spite, not Sorrit. I didn't post anything else of value at that time.

Hmm.

[Galain]

I find it somewhat interesting that both you and Karosis are pointing to the exact same two people to aim for after you are "lynched", Omtose.

[Omtose]

For the record, I'm not trying to save my skin, but trying to help.

My CF will be "innocent", so you can argue that I was at worst a symp. In that case, the only way this makes sense is:

- Kessobahn did say that he would try to deflect from me, in which case he mistook me for a symp of his masters, and Spite is scum

- Kessobahn did not really say that he would try to deflect from me, in which case Sorrit is pushing it a bit, an Sorrit is scum.

Anything else means some innos took gambles they shouldn't have. Sadly, it's been seen before, but anyways.

[Omtose]

Galain, on 21 April 2010 - 07:15 AM, said:

I find it somewhat interesting that both you and Karosis are pointing to the exact same two people to aim for after you are "lynched", Omtose.

"Interesting" how? scummy or promising?

If the former, why don't you say what you think of what we're actually saying instead of throwing half-assed accusations?

[Galain]

It's not half-assed accusations, it's merely pointing out something I find interesting. Is it a false statement?

Is it possible, even remotely, that future lynches are being possibly set-up, and is there anything wrong with pointing out said attempt?

[Karosis]

Galain, on 21 April 2010 - 07:24 AM, said:

It's not half-assed accusations, it's merely pointing out something I find interesting. Is it a false statement?

Is it possible, even remotely, that future lynches are being possibly set-up, and is there anything wrong with pointing out said attempt?

I'm not trying to set up a Sorrit lynch for tomorrow - I was using how people (myself at least) would react to Omtose being inno as past of my reasoning on whether Sorrit is lying or not. I still think the most likely result is that Omtose is going to CF scum. If he does CF inno, he does make good point about Spite and Sorrit, but that doesnt mean we immediately jump down their throats...

[Omtose]

Galain, on 21 April 2010 - 07:24 AM, said:

It's not half-assed accusations, it's merely pointing out something I find interesting. Is it a false statement?

Is it possible, even remotely, that future lynches are being possibly set-up, and is there anything wrong with pointing out said attempt?

I'm not setting up future lynches, just putting stuff on thread that can be used later.

Just because I'm inno doesn't mean everything I say should be followed. One doesn't mean the other, and from my original Sorrit vote you can see I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed in any case.

I just don't like you're "pointing it" like this, it undermines what we're saying without addressing any of it. Or should I say: "I find it interesting that Galain reacts uncomfortably to my and Karosis' posts"