[Rashan]

Serc, on 08 April 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

Rashan, on 08 April 2010 - 04:48 PM, said:

Liosan, on 08 April 2010 - 04:44 PM, said:

Serc, on 08 April 2010 - 04:40 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 April 2010 - 04:35 PM, said:

Liosan, on 08 April 2010 - 04:32 PM, said:

So Galain is claiming to be a leader and is accusing Serc of being the same. I'm sorry, but that just doesnt seem right. Why would a leader reveal to get another leader lynched, especially if he's already removed said leader's BP? Best case is he'll get lynched second. Also, how would Galain know that Serc is Freddy specifically?

This seems like a distraction, I'm not sure from what though. Galain had a single vote on him, which isnt a huge amount of pressure and there wasn't anyone else who was under obvious pressure to try and distract from...

It also occurrs to me that if Galain is actually telling the truth, do we actually want lynch either of them? Seeing as how the mystery faction's win condition is to see all three leaders dead, handing her two of them seems like a big step towards screwing us all over.

I guess the easiest way to tell would be to wait and see if there's a daykill, but there's no guarantee whoeever has it will use it early on to clear to people if neither of them are in his faction.

I'm curious as to why someone (telas I think) said it couldnt have been a healer, since that is a also a possibility, albeit a slimmer one.

Can't have been a healer because leaders ignore heals. If 3 leaders targeted someone, and one of their targets was healed, we still would have had 3 kills. At least that's how I understand 'leaders ignore the effects of guards and heals'.

I presumed it meant guards couldn't guard them, and leaders couldn't be healed, either. But you could be right. Although, it doesn't explain why I never had a BP. I think Galain is just panicking and trying to take me down with him. However, you are welcome to lynch or kill me tomorrow, if you think I'm a leader, I just want Kaschan's faction gone.

I interpreted it this way too - as in the healer can't sit and heal his leader every night because the heals don't affect him, the same way guards dont affect him. They only count towards being targetted. So a healer is still a definite possibility I think.

If its the other way than healers are unlikely to ever be much use, but would also confirm the existance of vigs as what else could the healers heal with their elixirs and back rubs and such?

If there are vigs, I would have expected more deaths on the last few days. If there's a vig, I suspect it's probably that mythical fourth faction.

They'd need a lot of vigs to take out 3 leaders with such small numbers and huge propensity of roles in the main factions. That or some kickass air guitar.

[Mockra]

Holy shit, it was boring for half the day but when it gets going it gets going.

It seems that Pinhead would have some fun today. By the way, Tennes, I failed to see your find result from last night?. Don't want to share?

[Ampelas]

Good point.

[Serc]

Rashan, on 08 April 2010 - 04:54 PM, said:

Serc, on 08 April 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

Rashan, on 08 April 2010 - 04:48 PM, said:

Liosan, on 08 April 2010 - 04:44 PM, said:

Serc, on 08 April 2010 - 04:40 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 April 2010 - 04:35 PM, said:

Liosan, on 08 April 2010 - 04:32 PM, said:

So Galain is claiming to be a leader and is accusing Serc of being the same. I'm sorry, but that just doesnt seem right. Why would a leader reveal to get another leader lynched, especially if he's already removed said leader's BP? Best case is he'll get lynched second. Also, how would Galain know that Serc is Freddy specifically?

This seems like a distraction, I'm not sure from what though. Galain had a single vote on him, which isnt a huge amount of pressure and there wasn't anyone else who was under obvious pressure to try and distract from...

It also occurrs to me that if Galain is actually telling the truth, do we actually want lynch either of them? Seeing as how the mystery faction's win condition is to see all three leaders dead, handing her two of them seems like a big step towards screwing us all over.

I guess the easiest way to tell would be to wait and see if there's a daykill, but there's no guarantee whoeever has it will use it early on to clear to people if neither of them are in his faction.

I'm curious as to why someone (telas I think) said it couldnt have been a healer, since that is a also a possibility, albeit a slimmer one.

Can't have been a healer because leaders ignore heals. If 3 leaders targeted someone, and one of their targets was healed, we still would have had 3 kills. At least that's how I understand 'leaders ignore the effects of guards and heals'.

I presumed it meant guards couldn't guard them, and leaders couldn't be healed, either. But you could be right. Although, it doesn't explain why I never had a BP. I think Galain is just panicking and trying to take me down with him. However, you are welcome to lynch or kill me tomorrow, if you think I'm a leader, I just want Kaschan's faction gone.

I interpreted it this way too - as in the healer can't sit and heal his leader every night because the heals don't affect him, the same way guards dont affect him. They only count towards being targetted. So a healer is still a definite possibility I think.

If its the other way than healers are unlikely to ever be much use, but would also confirm the existance of vigs as what else could the healers heal with their elixirs and back rubs and such?

If there are vigs, I would have expected more deaths on the last few days. If there's a vig, I suspect it's probably that mythical fourth faction.

They'd need a lot of vigs to take out 3 leaders with such small numbers and huge propensity of roles in the main factions. That or some kickass air guitar.

Point taken. Wonder what they do have, if they exist.

[Ampelas]

Mockra, on 08 April 2010 - 04:56 PM, said:

It seems that Pinhead would have some fun today.

Mockra said:

Yup, Pinhead's having some fun.

EDIT - GRRRR fucking quoting fail.

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 08 April 2010 - 05:00 PM

[Mockra]

I'm pretty convinced also that Galain is Jason, because of the posts he made about Kaschan on day 1 that I quoted during the night.

The way he outed himself on Serc is quite funny, but how did he get to attack Serc? If it's because he was targeted on night 1, ironically that would be by Serc's find, so Serc can't be a leader. Something does not quite compute there.

[Telas]

I suppose that interpretation makes more sense than mine.

As for 4th faction only having vigs, that's unlikely, considering that if their win condition is the elimination of all leaders, and only leaders can remove BPs, then leaders have to target each other at some point for that fourth faction to win. If a leader scrapes through with his BP and isn't lynchable, then the fourth faction is screwed. Vigs are useless to them except for eliminating the lemmings. They'd have to lynch leaders.

[Mockra]

Ampelas, on 08 April 2010 - 04:59 PM, said:

Mockra, on 08 April 2010 - 04:56 PM, said:

It seems that Pinhead would have some fun today.

Mockra said:

Yup, Pinhead's having some fun.

EDIT - GRRRR fucking quoting fail.

Glad to see Pinhead likes my posts.

[Telas]

Mockra, on 08 April 2010 - 05:02 PM, said:

I'm pretty convinced also that Galain is Jason, because of the posts he made about Kaschan on day 1 that I quoted during the night.

The way he outed himself on Serc is quite funny, but how did he get to attack Serc? If it's because he was targeted on night 1, ironically that would be by Serc's find, so Serc can't be a leader. Something does not quite compute there.

Even if Serc was Freddy, and Galain Jason, the guy isn't winning the game by revealing. In fact, he's on a fast track to losing. I just can't see the point if he is a leader. He's fairly obviously (a) Jason, and I'm not averse to voting the man, but I can't reconcile his play with anything that makes sense.

Cue 'herr derr there's a Jason' post by Serc.

[Mockra]

I just think that Galain read the posts we made about him being Jason, got scared, and tried to "out another leader" thinking that's the only thing we could find tastier than him today.

[Ampelas]

Mockra, on 08 April 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

Glad to see Pinhead likes my posts.

At the risk of sounding like Rashan, the lady doth protest too much.

[Mockra]

Ampelas, on 08 April 2010 - 05:10 PM, said:

Mockra, on 08 April 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

Glad to see Pinhead likes my posts.

At the risk of sounding like Rashan, the lady doth protest too much.

Eh? I was just responding to your joke post.

Looking for a fight away from Galain, do you? I saw you scamper yesterday after Tennes' reveal, strange that.

[Rashan]

Telas, on 08 April 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

I suppose that interpretation makes more sense than mine.

As for 4th faction only having vigs, that's unlikely, considering that if their win condition is the elimination of all leaders, and only leaders can remove BPs, then leaders have to target each other at some point for that fourth faction to win. If a leader scrapes through with his BP and isn't lynchable, then the fourth faction is screwed. Vigs are useless to them except for eliminating the lemmings. They'd have to lynch leaders.

Proceeding on the assumption that the hypothetical fourth faction is represented by an archetypical female character of high allure (but not a slutty bimbo) who at the end of the film finally defeats the antagonist by resolving all of her daddy issues, then an analysis of popular horror genre films of the 20.8th centuricade would lead to the conclusion that such a role would likely be a frequent near-victim of attacks during the first and second acts, only becoming armed (with a weapon or knowledge of the antagonist's weak point) in the third act.

Hence, it is most shrewdly of probableness that our femme fatale will become truly fatale with the addition of killings of the night at a later point in the game.

[Ampelas]

Mockra, on 08 April 2010 - 05:12 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 08 April 2010 - 05:10 PM, said:

Mockra, on 08 April 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

Glad to see Pinhead likes my posts.

At the risk of sounding like Rashan, the lady doth protest too much.

Eh? I was just responding to your joke post.

Looking for a fight away from Galain, do you? I saw you scamper yesterday after Tennes' reveal, strange that.

Lol, and I saw you dive right in with the vote, and later claim that you "thought" Tennes had said Kaschan was a pinhead. Want some jam with your backtracking?

[Telas]

Rashan, on 08 April 2010 - 05:12 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 April 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

I suppose that interpretation makes more sense than mine.

As for 4th faction only having vigs, that's unlikely, considering that if their win condition is the elimination of all leaders, and only leaders can remove BPs, then leaders have to target each other at some point for that fourth faction to win. If a leader scrapes through with his BP and isn't lynchable, then the fourth faction is screwed. Vigs are useless to them except for eliminating the lemmings. They'd have to lynch leaders.

Proceeding on the assumption that the hypothetical fourth faction is represented by an archetypical female character of high allure (but not a slutty bimbo) who at the end of the film finally defeats the antagonist by resolving all of her daddy issues, then an analysis of popular horror genre films of the 20.8th centuricade would lead to the conclusion that such a role would likely be a frequent near-victim of attacks during the first and second acts, only becoming armed (with a weapon or knowledge of the antagonist's weak point) in the third act.

Hence, it is most shrewdly of probableness that our femme fatale will become truly fatale with the addition of killings of the night at a later point in the game.

Ok, fine, but what demarcates your third act? What's the trigger? All leaders would have to have their BPs gone for a femme fatale to take them all out with vigs.
EDIT - although thinking on it this person could be a leader and thus not be excluded by that BP rule. Still, taking out 3 leaders with BPs would need a shit ton of vigs, so more likely it would be a recurring killing power.

That is of course assuming that the femme fatale (if she exists at all) has to eliminate the leaders to win. She could just have to survive.

This post has been edited by Telas: 08 April 2010 - 05:22 PM

[Mockra]

Ampelas, on 08 April 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

Lol, and I saw you dive right in with the vote, and later claim that you "thought" Tennes had said Kaschan was a pinhead. Want some jam with your backtracking?

I have no problem admitting doing both, it's right there on thread. How's that backtracking?

Aaaww, don't want daddy be hurt?

vote Galain

oopsie

Anyways, I'm done with you, chose another target to raise hell, I'm not dktorode.

[Ampelas]

So basically on this thread you've virtually outright claimed to be a Freddy. But I think we know you're lying. Want me to go find the posts?

vote Galain by the way

[Rashan]

Telas, on 08 April 2010 - 05:20 PM, said:

Rashan, on 08 April 2010 - 05:12 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 April 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

I suppose that interpretation makes more sense than mine.

As for 4th faction only having vigs, that's unlikely, considering that if their win condition is the elimination of all leaders, and only leaders can remove BPs, then leaders have to target each other at some point for that fourth faction to win. If a leader scrapes through with his BP and isn't lynchable, then the fourth faction is screwed. Vigs are useless to them except for eliminating the lemmings. They'd have to lynch leaders.

Proceeding on the assumption that the hypothetical fourth faction is represented by an archetypical female character of high allure (but not a slutty bimbo) who at the end of the film finally defeats the antagonist by resolving all of her daddy issues, then an analysis of popular horror genre films of the 20.8th centuricade would lead to the conclusion that such a role would likely be a frequent near-victim of attacks during the first and second acts, only becoming armed (with a weapon or knowledge of the antagonist's weak point) in the third act.

Hence, it is most shrewdly of probableness that our femme fatale will become truly fatale with the addition of killings of the night at a later point in the game.

Ok, fine, but what demarcates your third act? What's the trigger? All leaders would have to have their BPs gone for a femme fatale to take them all out with vigs.
EDIT - although thinking on it this person could be a leader and thus not be excluded by that BP rule. Still, taking out 3 leaders with BPs would need a shit ton of vigs, so more likely it would be a recurring killing power.

That is of course assuming that the femme fatale (if she exists at all) has to eliminate the leaders to win. She could just have to survive.

OP, man:

Quote

If any other factions outside of the three main ones are present, their victory condition will be the death of all other leaders.

If the lone wolfess ignored BPs then perhaps 3 vigs or so, she'd have to be careful with them but we'd take out a leader or two on our own anyways. But Rashan thinks its more likely she just gets a kill power after 3 nights or so.

[Rashan]

Ampelas, on 08 April 2010 - 05:21 PM, said:

So basically on this thread you've virtually outright claimed to be a Freddy. But I think we know you're lying. Want me to go find the posts?

vote Galain by the way

Yes, go find the posts. They are in the creepy abandoned kitchen, but you have to duck down and reach to the back of the oven for them...

[Ampelas]

Rashan, on 08 April 2010 - 05:36 PM, said:

Yes, go find the posts. They are in the creepy abandoned kitchen, but you have to duck down and reach to the back of the oven for them...

Now I think you're just doing it to piss me off...

I shall go grab some posts!