[Kaschan]

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2010 - 02:28 PM, said:

80s Horror.

36h day, 8h night.

The base setting of this game is a 3 faction mercenary structure. The victory condition of each faction is to gain a full majority. If any other factions outside of the three main ones are present, their victory condition will be the death of all other leaders.

3 main factions; Jason, Freddy, Pinhead.

pretty much says there is another faction right over there.
maybe even more than one?...

[Serc]

Kaschan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:23 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2010 - 02:28 PM, said:

80s Horror.

36h day, 8h night.

The base setting of this game is a 3 faction mercenary structure. The victory condition of each faction is to gain a full majority. If any other factions outside of the three main ones are present, their victory condition will be the death of all other leaders.

3 main factions; Jason, Freddy, Pinhead.

pretty much says there is another faction right over there.
maybe even more than one?...

Well, in that case, it's clear that the best thing to do now is look for the fourth faction, who DON'T have to gain a majority, and only need to kill our Three Glorious Leaders.

[Tellan]

No. It doesn't say that. It presents a hypothetical and presents an easily achieved answer to that hypothetical.

Something is rubbing me very wrong with Kaschan. Despite the fact that I think his cluelessness might be purposeful:

Remove Vote.

Vote Kaschan.

[Serc]

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

No. It doesn't say that. It presents a hypothetical and presents an easily achieved answer to that hypothetical.

Something is rubbing me very wrong with Kaschan. Despite the fact that I think his cluelessness might be purposeful:

Remove Vote.

Vote Kaschan.

My apologies. Sarcasm comes off very badly in text form; especially when I'm tired. Discussing hypothetical teams and number distribution and mechanics is usually absolutely pointless on the first day, as I said earlier.
That said, Tellan, you're being quite aggressive towards the idea of a fourth team, more so than I would consider necessary.

[Tellan]

Serc, on 06 April 2010 - 10:37 AM, said:

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

No. It doesn't say that. It presents a hypothetical and presents an easily achieved answer to that hypothetical.

Something is rubbing me very wrong with Kaschan. Despite the fact that I think his cluelessness might be purposeful:

Remove Vote.

Vote Kaschan.

My apologies. Sarcasm comes off very badly in text form; especially when I'm tired. Discussing hypothetical teams and number distribution and mechanics is usually absolutely pointless on the first day, as I said earlier.
That said, Tellan, you're being quite aggressive towards the idea of a fourth team, more so than I would consider necessary.

Clarify that please. I'm not sure what you are claiming I'm claiming.

[Atrahal]

Kaschan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:17 AM, said:

Mockra, on 06 April 2010 - 10:09 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 06 April 2010 - 09:55 AM, said:

how am i setting up a "wild goose chase" exactly? All i was saying is if a leader makes a case or places a vote his team are sure as shit going to fucking take notice!!

Take notice, yes. Following him on the vote, specially if the reasons are crap, hell no. Your conclusions were so far off the way I considered playing the game I had to react. But anyways.

why not...no one but you knows you are actually doing it.

I was just commenting on how different trains could be, because of this info people get from their boss.
...meh

Ever occurred to you that a leader may place a vote or two on his own people to identify them?

[Serc]

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:40 AM, said:

Serc, on 06 April 2010 - 10:37 AM, said:

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

No. It doesn't say that. It presents a hypothetical and presents an easily achieved answer to that hypothetical.

Something is rubbing me very wrong with Kaschan. Despite the fact that I think his cluelessness might be purposeful:

Remove Vote.

Vote Kaschan.

My apologies. Sarcasm comes off very badly in text form; especially when I'm tired. Discussing hypothetical teams and number distribution and mechanics is usually absolutely pointless on the first day, as I said earlier.
That said, Tellan, you're being quite aggressive towards the idea of a fourth team, more so than I would consider necessary.

Clarify that please. I'm not sure what you are claiming I'm claiming.

I'm not claiming anything, I'm just noticing you're rejecting the idea out-of-hand, which is fine, but then placing a vote on the person who brings it up, which strikes me as rather aggressive play on the first day of a merc game.

[Tellan]

Serc, on 06 April 2010 - 10:37 AM, said:

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

No. It doesn't say that. It presents a hypothetical and presents an easily achieved answer to that hypothetical.

Something is rubbing me very wrong with Kaschan. Despite the fact that I think his cluelessness might be purposeful:

Remove Vote.

Vote Kaschan.

My apologies. Sarcasm comes off very badly in text form; especially when I'm tired. Discussing hypothetical teams and number distribution and mechanics is usually absolutely pointless on the first day, as I said earlier.
That said, Tellan, you're being quite aggressive towards the idea of a fourth team, more so than I would consider necessary.

If there is a fourth team: I'm going to assume it's a random fourth member that I don't know. My aggressiveness if, if needs to be deemed as such, would be that the odds are for a 4x4x4x1 group as opposed to anything else. And that's just what I can assume considering what Morgy's said and what we've seen in the sign-up and whatnot.

[Atrahal]

Serc, on 06 April 2010 - 10:46 AM, said:

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:40 AM, said:

Serc, on 06 April 2010 - 10:37 AM, said:

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

No. It doesn't say that. It presents a hypothetical and presents an easily achieved answer to that hypothetical.

Something is rubbing me very wrong with Kaschan. Despite the fact that I think his cluelessness might be purposeful:

Remove Vote.

Vote Kaschan.

My apologies. Sarcasm comes off very badly in text form; especially when I'm tired. Discussing hypothetical teams and number distribution and mechanics is usually absolutely pointless on the first day, as I said earlier.
That said, Tellan, you're being quite aggressive towards the idea of a fourth team, more so than I would consider necessary.

Clarify that please. I'm not sure what you are claiming I'm claiming.

I'm not claiming anything, I'm just noticing you're rejecting the idea out-of-hand, which is fine, but then placing a vote on the person who brings it up, which strikes me as rather aggressive play on the first day of a merc game.

There has been plenty of discussion already of the 4th team being composed of 4 or 1 person, you're not the first to bring up the possibility of a 4-man 4th team. We're at it for the past 60 posts/12 hours or so. Consensus is however that 1 person is likelier than 4.

Then, we get Kaschan pushing for a 4 man possibility, Serc reacting to that, and Mockra being tired of discussing set-ups. Sounds like Serc is defending and Mockra giving hints to Kaschan to shut the fuck up. Now, since he may be leader material, he ain't mine, so:

vote Kaschan.


I'm away for an hour or 2.

[Kaschan]

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

No. It doesn't say that. It presents a hypothetical and presents an easily achieved answer to that hypothetical.

Something is rubbing me very wrong with Kaschan. Despite the fact that I think his cluelessness might be purposeful:

Remove Vote.

Vote Kaschan.

Oh dear...have i said something that has hit too close to home for you perhaps?.

[Serc]

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:51 AM, said:

Serc, on 06 April 2010 - 10:37 AM, said:

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

No. It doesn't say that. It presents a hypothetical and presents an easily achieved answer to that hypothetical.

Something is rubbing me very wrong with Kaschan. Despite the fact that I think his cluelessness might be purposeful:

Remove Vote.

Vote Kaschan.

My apologies. Sarcasm comes off very badly in text form; especially when I'm tired. Discussing hypothetical teams and number distribution and mechanics is usually absolutely pointless on the first day, as I said earlier.
That said, Tellan, you're being quite aggressive towards the idea of a fourth team, more so than I would consider necessary.

If there is a fourth team: I'm going to assume it's a random fourth member that I don't know. My aggressiveness if, if needs to be deemed as such, would be that the odds are for a 4x4x4x1 group as opposed to anything else. And that's just what I can assume considering what Morgy's said and what we've seen in the sign-up and whatnot.

5x5x5x1, actually, which puts them at something of a serious disadvantage if there is only one.

[Tellan]

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:51 AM, said:

Serc, on 06 April 2010 - 10:37 AM, said:

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

No. It doesn't say that. It presents a hypothetical and presents an easily achieved answer to that hypothetical.

Something is rubbing me very wrong with Kaschan. Despite the fact that I think his cluelessness might be purposeful:

Remove Vote.

Vote Kaschan.

My apologies. Sarcasm comes off very badly in text form; especially when I'm tired. Discussing hypothetical teams and number distribution and mechanics is usually absolutely pointless on the first day, as I said earlier.
That said, Tellan, you're being quite aggressive towards the idea of a fourth team, more so than I would consider necessary.

If there is a fourth team: I'm going to assume it's a random fourth member that I don't know. My aggressiveness if, if needs to be deemed as such, would be that the odds are for a 4x4x4x1 group as opposed to anything else. And that's just what I can assume considering what Morgy's said and what we've seen in the sign-up and whatnot.

That's lovely jibberish. 5x5x5x1 was what I meant. If you don't think there's a fourth member, then feel free to disagree and vote for me. But, there's a reason Morgy wanted 16 or 19, and the math works out that way. I might not be able to express it very well, but that doesn't make it any less probable.

[Kaschan]

Atrahal, on 06 April 2010 - 10:42 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:17 AM, said:

Mockra, on 06 April 2010 - 10:09 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 06 April 2010 - 09:55 AM, said:

how am i setting up a "wild goose chase" exactly? All i was saying is if a leader makes a case or places a vote his team are sure as shit going to fucking take notice!!

Take notice, yes. Following him on the vote, specially if the reasons are crap, hell no. Your conclusions were so far off the way I considered playing the game I had to react. But anyways.

why not...no one but you knows you are actually doing it.

I was just commenting on how different trains could be, because of this info people get from their boss.
...meh

Ever occurred to you that a leader may place a vote or two on his own people to identify them?

what?...no...i doubt that.
He would then be confusing his team, he has info he should want to give out...voting for your own team wont do that if you ask me.

[Serc]

Kaschan, on 06 April 2010 - 11:03 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 April 2010 - 10:42 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:17 AM, said:

Mockra, on 06 April 2010 - 10:09 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 06 April 2010 - 09:55 AM, said:

how am i setting up a "wild goose chase" exactly? All i was saying is if a leader makes a case or places a vote his team are sure as shit going to fucking take notice!!

Take notice, yes. Following him on the vote, specially if the reasons are crap, hell no. Your conclusions were so far off the way I considered playing the game I had to react. But anyways.

why not...no one but you knows you are actually doing it.

I was just commenting on how different trains could be, because of this info people get from their boss.
...meh

Ever occurred to you that a leader may place a vote or two on his own people to identify them?

what?...no...i doubt that.
He would then be confusing his team, he has info he should want to give out...voting for your own team wont do that if you ask me.

That would be an awfully transparent style of play and would give the leader away straight away; in a game where no team has the majority, if any trains develop quickly, we can assume they were headed by the leader, or else he's on it early on. That would be a foolish playstyle, and isn't worth discussing.

[Kaschan]

Atrahal, on 06 April 2010 - 10:56 AM, said:

Serc, on 06 April 2010 - 10:46 AM, said:

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:40 AM, said:

Serc, on 06 April 2010 - 10:37 AM, said:

Tellan, on 06 April 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

No. It doesn't say that. It presents a hypothetical and presents an easily achieved answer to that hypothetical.

Something is rubbing me very wrong with Kaschan. Despite the fact that I think his cluelessness might be purposeful:

Remove Vote.

Vote Kaschan.

My apologies. Sarcasm comes off very badly in text form; especially when I'm tired. Discussing hypothetical teams and number distribution and mechanics is usually absolutely pointless on the first day, as I said earlier.
That said, Tellan, you're being quite aggressive towards the idea of a fourth team, more so than I would consider necessary.

Clarify that please. I'm not sure what you are claiming I'm claiming.

I'm not claiming anything, I'm just noticing you're rejecting the idea out-of-hand, which is fine, but then placing a vote on the person who brings it up, which strikes me as rather aggressive play on the first day of a merc game.

There has been plenty of discussion already of the 4th team being composed of 4 or 1 person, you're not the first to bring up the possibility of a 4-man 4th team. We're at it for the past 60 posts/12 hours or so. Consensus is however that 1 person is likelier than 4.

Then, we get Kaschan pushing for a 4 man possibility, Serc reacting to that, and Mockra being tired of discussing set-ups. Sounds like Serc is defending and Mockra giving hints to Kaschan to shut the fuck up. Now, since he may be leader material, he ain't mine, so:

vote Kaschan.


I'm away for an hour or 2.

im not pushing for anything...merely speculating.
Tellan bloody well asked me to elaborate on my thinking and i have.
PS opening post clearly states that their could be another hidden faction, why else put in that winning condition for other unknown factions of it is not a possibility?
Now i get votes for stating fact?

How does any of this make me leader?....i dont know.

Mockra giving ME and ONLY ME hints to shut up? ...where?

haha... weak...

[Serc]

Right, I'm away for a while, I'm leaving my vote on Sorrit, should be back in a few hours.

[Mockra]

For the record, I didn't ask anyone to shut up, just expressing my concern that the distribution discussions were stretching a bit, going beyond the normal casual statement of possibilities into the analyses of which is the most likely.

Our mods including Morgoth, that's like trying to second-guess which way an epileptic 8-legged frog will spasm next.

[Kaschan]

Serc, on 06 April 2010 - 11:12 AM, said:

That would be an awfully transparent style of play and would give the leader away straight away; in a game where no team has the majority, if any trains develop quickly, we can assume they were headed by the leader, or else he's on it early on. That would be a foolish playstyle, and isn't worth discussing.

yes it would be awfully transparent you are right...thats if a leaders team is full of retard noobs that is.
His role gives him the opportunity to tell his team not only who to vote for but also who to put night actions on... bah... its like being a finder except you now already know who the enemy is.
And now you just need to get everyone else that is on your team on board and its game over....thats the whole point of this game.
The boss is the link for the whole team...its the team who can be the most sublte who will win this one.

Why would any team IMMEDIATELY pounce on whoever the leader points to?...they would try to be just as subtle as anyone else would be. Im was initially just speculating that lynch trains are going to be different than usual if a leader is on it early and we could perhaps use that. Some seemed to disagree, fine thats their opinion.

You are making out as if the guys playing this game are useless idiots who would give their boss away at the first chance.
But they ARE going to open their eyes more if there leader is making a case and you would be daft to ignore that.
So be my guest.

[Mockra]

Kaschan, on 06 April 2010 - 11:32 AM, said:

You are making out as if the guys playing this game are useless idiots who would give their boss away at the first chance.
But they ARE going to open their eyes more if there leader is making a case and you would be daft to ignore that.
So be my guest.

Although you are not directly responding to me in your last few posts, I would like to come back and remind (yourself included) that your original comment was "i expect allot of people jumping onto trains for weak reasons following their leaders. ", and that is what I reacted to.

Your recent posts say more or less what I was throwing at you originally and got you all reeled up.

[Mockra]

I'm also waiting for Kaschan to follow his own logic and start laying it to Tellan and Atrahal for this quick one-two puch he just received.