[Vesper]

In GotM Tayschrenn is described as wielding the warren Telas (fire), which Tattersail finds anathema to her own Thyr (light). Tayschrenn goes on to use Telas in the siege of Coral in MoI, as he had against Rake in GotM. Yet, on page 360 of NoK, he uses his Thyr warren to probe the work of the Wandwielders.

Is it possible that, perhaps, Tattersail's negative feelings towards Tayschrenn's warren wasn't based on Telas at all, but his own Thyr? Might he use it in a radically different manner than Tattersail did, leading to inimicability? Or am I reaching and Tayschrenn only had Telas in GotM, and this has been decided to be a GotMism?

Or is it possibly even an editorial error?

[Abyss]

Tays is a High Mage. Just based off the first few books we know he has access to various warrens. Safe bet that while Telas may be his strongest warren (along with the Demon summoning/binding warren), he has access to others. T'sail was just reacting to the specific warren he was using at the time.

That said, the suggestion that Telas and Thyr are anathematic seems odd.


- Abyss, trusts in SE, SE is good, SE is great...

[MTS]

Abyss, on 01 April 2010 - 03:41 AM, said:

That said, the suggestion that Telas and Thyr are anathematic seems odd.

Considering the solitary nature of the Eleint, and their unwillingness to cooperate, it's not nearly as odd as it seems at first glance, all things considered. I understand that elementally it seems odd, as it's not a Light/Dark sort of deal, but still. The anathematic stuff are GotM'isms though, aren't they?

[Tatterdemalion]

If Quick Ben has 12, surely Tay can afford two, mais oui?

[Vesper]

MTS, on 01 April 2010 - 04:08 AM, said:

The anathematic stuff are GotM'isms though, aren't they?

That was my question... though I provided theoretic alternatives. As I cannot manage warrens myself (or CAN I?) I can only speculate.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

I thought the anathema warren was Hairlock's, who, by how he appeared from darkness and all of that, seemed to be a Rashan mage.

Anyway Tay's warrens seem to be:

High Telas
Thyr
Mockra(if all the talk abut the mind destroying magic is not a GotMism)
Possibly D'riss(seeing how it seems to be the Warren of D'rek, of whom Tay was a High Priest)

This post has been edited by Bauchelain the Evil: 01 April 2010 - 09:13 AM

[lobo the wolfman]

Plus he would know Aral Gamelon for sure ( the main warren for demons).

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Probably Meanas as well considering he was able to disguise himself in MoI. Though that could have been something else I guess.

[haroos]

"along with the Demon summoning/binding warren" - huh ?
which warren is that ?

[D'rek]

Yeah I thought Tattersail had the whole 'anathema' reaction to Hairlock as well, not Tay. Could easily be wrong though.

Aral Gamelon's not really a magic source afawk, just another realm (so far). As QB implies, presumably he uses Hood's Path in the summoning as well, though no doubt he's aware of how Aral Gamelon works and such.

[lobo the wolfman]

What is a warren if not a another realm, it may not be a source of raw power like Telas or such, but it it is a source of something not native to the normal world (demons such as the Korvalahrai and the Galayn) and to summon such demons would need sorcery of a kind particular to that warren.

[D'rek]

lobo the wolfman, on 01 April 2010 - 06:26 PM, said:

What is a warren if not a another realm, it may not be a source of raw power like Telas or such, but it it is a source of something not native to the normal world (demons such as the Korvalahrai and the Galayn) and to summon such demons would need sorcery of a kind particular to that warren.

Maybe, maybe not. According to QB most people who summon from Aral Gamelon aren't even aware they're using it. For all we know Tayschrenn doesn't use it all, just teleports there and uses Mockra to bind the inhabitants. Just saying, we've no knowledge of Aral Gamelon = The Path of _______, so it may not be at all the same as the rest.

[lobo the wolfman]

True, but due to the fact that Tayschrenn managed to not only summon but bind a Draconian soletaken Galayn lord, leads me to believe that he has quite a fair bit of knowledge about the warren and it's peoples. Enough to know the true nature of it at least, in my mind.

[Vesper]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 01 April 2010 - 09:12 AM, said:

I thought the anathema warren was Hairlock's, who, by how he appeared from darkness and all of that, seemed to be a Rashan mage.

D, on 01 April 2010 - 06:16 PM, said:

Yeah I thought Tattersail had the whole 'anathema' reaction to Hairlock as well, not Tay. Could easily be wrong though.

The sensation Tattersail gets occurs immediately when she enters Tayschrenn's tent. I suppose that Hairlock was also present, but there was such emphasis on Tayschrenn's presence that it seemed overwhelmingly the case that Tattersail considered Tayschrenn's warren anathema to her own.

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 01 April 2010 - 05:57 PM, said:

Probably Meanas as well considering he was able to disguise himself in MoI. Though that could have been something else I guess.

That's because he's a Chimera, as Silverfox says in MoI. He's also called a shape-shifter later on in the series somewhere, suggesting that he can take on multiple appearances, at least.

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Vesper, on 01 April 2010 - 11:38 PM, said:

Bauchelain the Evil, on 01 April 2010 - 09:12 AM, said:

I thought the anathema warren was Hairlock's, who, by how he appeared from darkness and all of that, seemed to be a Rashan mage.

D, on 01 April 2010 - 06:16 PM, said:

Yeah I thought Tattersail had the whole 'anathema' reaction to Hairlock as well, not Tay. Could easily be wrong though.

The sensation Tattersail gets occurs immediately when she enters Tayschrenn's tent. I suppose that Hairlock was also present, but there was such emphasis on Tayschrenn's presence that it seemed overwhelmingly the case that Tattersail considered Tayschrenn's warren anathema to her own.

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 01 April 2010 - 05:57 PM, said:

Probably Meanas as well considering he was able to disguise himself in MoI. Though that could have been something else I guess.

That's because he's a Chimera, as Silverfox says in MoI. He's also called a shape-shifter later on in the series somewhere, suggesting that he can take on multiple appearances, at least.

Yea, I think he does that via some combination of meanas and maybe mockra. I don't think he actually shifts his appearance and physically changes. That would be some sort of soletaken abiltiy which I'm pretty sure we've never seen.

[D'rek]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 02 April 2010 - 12:10 AM, said:

Vesper, on 01 April 2010 - 11:38 PM, said:

Bauchelain the Evil, on 01 April 2010 - 09:12 AM, said:

I thought the anathema warren was Hairlock's, who, by how he appeared from darkness and all of that, seemed to be a Rashan mage.

D, on 01 April 2010 - 06:16 PM, said:

Yeah I thought Tattersail had the whole 'anathema' reaction to Hairlock as well, not Tay. Could easily be wrong though.

The sensation Tattersail gets occurs immediately when she enters Tayschrenn's tent. I suppose that Hairlock was also present, but there was such emphasis on Tayschrenn's presence that it seemed overwhelmingly the case that Tattersail considered Tayschrenn's warren anathema to her own.

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 01 April 2010 - 05:57 PM, said:

Probably Meanas as well considering he was able to disguise himself in MoI. Though that could have been something else I guess.

That's because he's a Chimera, as Silverfox says in MoI. He's also called a shape-shifter later on in the series somewhere, suggesting that he can take on multiple appearances, at least.

Yea, I think he does that via some combination of meanas and maybe mockra. I don't think he actually shifts his appearance and physically changes. That would be some sort of soletaken abiltiy which I'm pretty sure we've never seen.

I imagine he does the same thing that (RotCG spoiler):

Spoiler

Possum does - minor cantrips of Mockra and/or Meanas that change his perceived appearance, without actually physically changing anything.

[Blueiron]

My thinking is that Aral Gamelon was another realm that existed even before K'rul's "modern" Elder Warrens.

[iRFNA]

Wouldn't it be ironic if a demon from aral gamelon summoned and bound tayschrenn?

[Sinisdar Toste]

*singing in alannis morisette style* it's like galayyy-e-ayyyyyn lords, put tay in a bottle and he realiiiii-i-i-ized he was trapped for all time! and who would have thought, it figures!

[Black Company]

The very skilled can make their warrens do things that they aren't specifically aspect-ed to. There's that part where Envy "uses her warren to" levitate down or something like that, and Gothos uses Omtose to do the same. Also, there are multiple wards, bindings, spells that sorcerers use and I assume that you can use the energy that you siphon from the warrens for multiple purposes. Not for anything and everything, just saying that you can manipulate it to a certain extent.