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Holocaust Holidays Girls, Grog and... Genocide?

#1 User is offline   Tiste Simeon 

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 11:21 PM

I saw this and was disgusted... Source.

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The infamous Auschwitz concentration camp is to get an influx of hungover Brits recovering from a night on the booze and strippers, according to reports in the UK newspapers.
Travel agents Last Night of Freedom and Chillisauce are offering bucks' party packages that include a wild weekend in Krakow, Poland, no doubt taking advantage of Eastern Europe's reputation for cheap booze and well priced hookers. But the sting in the tail is that these tour packages also include a visit to the Auschwitz concentration camp, now a museum, where over one million people were murdered during World War II.

The Chillisauce website says, "Why not take a break from your stag [bucks'] weekend mayhem and immerse yourself in a little world-defining history before the 20-odd pints later in the evening?" The website does, however, include a note on its Auschwitz page saying "Please make sure your conduct respects the gravity of the events that took place here." The various packages on offer in Krakow have names like 'Shooters and Hooters' or 'Krackers in Krakow' and also include a bar crawl, a visit to a strip club, paintballing and a shooting range visit.

A British journalist apparently posing as a potential client got this response from Paul Luke, Content Manager at Last Night of Freedom: "People have told us they have had the best night out ever after they have been there, because it almost makes you think, 'To hell with that, we have seen the worst humanity had to show' and then gone out on a major night on the tiles with strippers and booze…although it makes some people cringe at the notion of these two things colliding, it is something that is very moving and extremely sobering. Then again, it does fuel a fabulous night out."

Not surprisingly, the bucks' party-Auschwitz combination is being greeted with outrage both in the UK and in Krakow itself. The Sunday Times newspaper quoted Karen Pollock, head of the Holocaust Educational Trust, who said "Over one million people were systematically murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau. It seems entirely inappropriate to advertise a visit to the site for stag groups in this way, alongside nights of drinking and clubbing."


The fact that people are being offered a chance to go and get wasted, visit strippers and then go to a holocaust site is just horrendous... Imagine a bunch of hungover lager lads rolling up and making jokes and singing loudly sickens me tbh. I have been to Auschwitz and they are among the last people I would ever want to be there... What do you guys think?
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Posted 15 March 2010 - 11:46 PM

I think the banal unimaginitive mundanity of the average stag/hen party is a more accurate indication of the worst humanity has to offer than the Holocaust!
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 12:06 AM

That's fucked up. Those who attend such events and those who organize 'em all need punches in the face. IN THE FACE.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 01:21 AM

Stag parties and visiting holocaust sites? Those things seem completely unrelated to me. Doesn't really scream "vast untapped market" at me. It probably wouldn't occur to them that it's a very offensive concept. They were probably very drunk.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 07:31 AM

Meh, it's a museum. I don't particularly see anything wrong with a bunch of guys wanting to experience a part of the past while they're on holiday. It's not like they're serving shots at the gates or anything.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 07:50 AM

Though that's an idea...

But in all seriousness, they're just tourists like any other. They just have ulterior motives.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 09:47 AM

Simeon I think you are being misguidedly moralistic here. When I was recovering from my hangover and stripper comedown in Prague I went out for a bit of history to the Jewish cemtery, all very interesting.

It's a museum, so long as the conduct of the party is respectful, then I see no problem with it. You are falling into the trap of assuming that everyone who goes on a stag do in Krakow is going to behave like a prick, I put this down to lack of experience on your part. Try spending some time in the devil's playground before you start slagging of the swings.

My fear would be that some people will behave like twats, but I have this fear of the British abroad wherever I go, it's hardly confined to stag trips.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 11:59 AM

View PostCougar, on 16 March 2010 - 09:47 AM, said:

Simeon I think you are being misguidedly moralistic here. When I was recovering from my hangover and stripper comedown in Prague I went out for a bit of history to the Jewish cemtery, all very interesting.

It's a museum, so long as the conduct of the party is respectful, then I see no problem with it. You are falling into the trap of assuming that everyone who goes on a stag do in Krakow is going to behave like a prick, I put this down to lack of experience on your part. Try spending some time in the devil's playground before you start slagging of the swings.

My fear would be that some people will behave like twats, but I have this fear of the British abroad wherever I go, it's hardly confined to stag trips.


Agreed.

A few years back I went on a stag to Riga in Latvia and we did the routine of debauchery, booze, titty bars, some off road quad biking and blowing shit up with heavy weaponry, all good blokey fun. What sobered everyone up very quickly was when we arrived at the shooting venue. Turned out to be the former gulag / detention centre the KGB used to torture the native Lats and dissidents. The guide / translator was very graphic in her description of what happened there and it was obvious that feelings still ran very deep, especially considering that the Ruskies inherited the place from the Nazis, whose treatment of the native Lats during the war was despicable.

It was a grim place, soaked in pain, suffering and blood. It was also an educational and healthy reminder to everyone about not forgetting the lessons of history. There was no drinking, no "woo hooing" and no " this is awesome !" The guide later said that she thought it was very important for visitors to her country to be aware of its history and did we mind !?!, unbelievable.

Not unsurprisingly, the guide and instructor were very appreciative as we blasted the crap out of targets off SS soldiers and Stalin.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 12:56 PM

Maybe in the next millenium, stag parties will wander around preserved Eastern European strip joints and feel outraged about how the previous generations subtly subjugated and exploited women for entertainment.........
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 01:00 PM

There's very little subtlety about it tbh.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 01:02 PM

"You want lesbian dance, 300?"
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 01:08 PM

300? What a ripoff.

Ok, off with the offtopic...
Quite frankly I've got mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, hangover blokes =/= drunk blokes... And from my experience hangover people tend to be rather quiet. Having a blast on one day doesn't mean you can't be serious the next day. Still, I wouldn't mind some harsh, harsh punishment for improper conduct on the site.

On the other hand, I don't really know them stag boys that good...

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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 01:15 PM

Not talking about Poland, Gothos. That was a question I was asked in Prague
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 01:19 PM

Ah, well, that sounds about right then.
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 04:03 AM

While there's probably a greater risk of inappropriate behavior from these stag parties than other parties, it may also increase the level of exposure to a grave (no pun) place of the sort everyone should probably visit at some point in their lives, to persons who may otherwise never go. It's very important for as many people as possible, worldwide, to see and feel places like this to lessen the chances of anything like that ever happening again (allthough it already has, to a lesser extent a few times). Pairing with a stag party=questionable taste. Going to Auschwitz and absorbing anything=priceless, I hope.
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 02:09 PM

I can actually imagine some of the guys who were at my uni dropping beer bottles around the place, that was where my indignation was coming from.

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You are falling into the trap of assuming that everyone who goes on a stag do in Krakow is going to behave like a prick

OK, 99%. :)

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My fear would be that some people will behave like twats, but I have this fear of the British abroad wherever I go, it's hardly confined to stag trips.
OK I agree with you there...

TBH the thought of a bunch of drunken gits trashing Krakow, possibly one of the most beautiful cities I have ever had the pleasure to visit, annoys me enough...
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 02:12 PM

You've probably only seen a small bit of Krakow then :>
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 10:01 PM

Entirely possible. I do remember loving it though. :)
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Posted 21 March 2010 - 10:57 PM

Mez would you rather prohibit women a chance at an income? If men are going to be stupid (and it is stupid) why stop them?
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Posted 21 March 2010 - 11:11 PM

I think she's more concerned with the ones who get forced into it, not the ones who actually make the choice of their own free unbroken-finger will.

Although now that I think about it so do I, although unlike Mez I tend to approach strip clubs with the same mindset of people who only eat free range meat.
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