[Spite]

Had serious net issues but for some reason it started working again now. I suspect one or more of the girls are downloading porn through bitorrent. It's too late for me to read anything of what's been going on but I'll catch up tomorrow don't you worry.

My apologies for the inconvenience.

[Ruse]

Damn that was impressive you posted exactly 36 hours after your previous post by my count

[Shadow]

 Fener, on 19 March 2010 - 01:55 AM, said:

And if those 2 posts above get deleted by GK or Ment, Im done with mafia. You little snot nosed pussies need to learn some fucking manners.

Does anyone else find it humorous that you spend two posts ranting against people for 'mod abuse' and then immediately turn around and insult GK and Ment, aka the mods? Classic, and seriously, I doubt anyone cares if a guy who's going to spend all game whining is going to be missed. If I alt guessed you correctly, it's not like you haven't spent SEVERAL games just chewing people out to no end... really vile nasty stuff, not just generic insults.

[Shadow]

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 02:15 AM, said:

I for one am having a great time.. hasn't been this much day 1/2 action in a game in a long time. Ment is here so hopefully night is over soon.... Fener doesn't seem to concerned about being lynched, so I am thinking he knows something we don't I highly doubt he will end up dead after the night ends.

And this is QFT. We've had two exciting days so far... and nobody has been lynched yet!

But alas poor Tapper =(

[Shadow]

Just a final note @Fener, just lighten up, man. Maybe Ruse and Alkend shouldn't have 'insulted the mods' but GK has BOASTED about his crazy mechanics in the past. The guy ran an insane LotR game on Modcraft and he is proud of how ludicrous that game was.

I know I get frustrated when threads lull and it feels like we're waiting on a moderator to resolve, but I also know that not everyone has the same level of internet access as I do (nearly 24/7 on a great connection).

The mods are big boys, they can handle it. And the game, so far, is pretty sweet.

[Shadow]

OK speculation is in line with others so far, 'Dark Other' probably indicates a member of the Night Watch, and probably a recruit. I would imagine we'd get some kind of name if it was a big guy. Kalse was a good recruit target, he was pretty vocal, and Tapper's a smart guy.

That said, it could just as easily have been Fener to kill him as anyone else, but I kind of doubt it. I don't know the order that actions are resolved, but I would probably venture it's safe to say that Kalse was a Night 1 recruit (would suck if he were recruited and then immediately killed the same night), so Fener is either lying, or is a Night 1 Light recruit. And that means he either gained a kill ability and used it on Kalse, OR someone else used a kill (maybe 1 per 2 nights kind of deal, or limited # vigs, etc) on Kalse.

Good info all the same, so today it's kind of a, Do we want to try and lynch back into equilibrium again game, or Do we want to try and lynch a master game?

[Alkend]

Fener obviously misunderstood either the context (I doubt it), or the tone in which my emoticon-including comment was made. Waiting on mods is never fun, except perhaps right at the end of a game when everything hangs in the balance, however I did not intend it to be an insult, was merely pointing out that it would be nice if the mods had more coverage. Insult and rant all you want, but just remember that not everyone says things with such vehemence as you do...

And we had a death! Exciting. Nice to see that it wasn't an RI, and I have no idea outside of what people's comments have indicated that "Level 5" equates to. Apparently we're assuming a recruit/low-rank member. Either way, it was interesting, and makes for a new target to try and keep the balance - the Day Watch. I think the best way is probably to look at who Kalse interacted with...but even that won't give us much. So it's back to talking/pressuring/waiting for a slip, it seems...I'll take a look at some of Kalse's posts.

[Ruse]

 Shadow, on 19 March 2010 - 05:25 AM, said:

OK speculation is in line with others so far, 'Dark Other' probably indicates a member of the Night Watch, and probably a recruit. I would imagine we'd get some kind of name if it was a big guy. Kalse was a good recruit target, he was pretty vocal, and Tapper's a smart guy.

Not that its that important but the Night Watch are Light others. The Dark Other would be Day watch. As i said before your probably right with the recruit theory as a 5th level other is fairly weak (as the numbers go down the power goes up basically until you get to the unclassified or great ones)

[Alkend]

Argh. So we need to look for a Light Other/Night Watch. XD

Just a slightly important distinction, there.

[Ruse]

Yeah i think the Day watch being dark and the Night watch being good might confuse people but it does make sense if you think about it.

Im not sure how important it is in game terms though as either way were still looking for the team that Kalse wasnt on, regardless of what we want to call it

[Shadow]

Um, okay. Well, thanks for the clarification. But still, Fener is probably on the other team if he's telling the truth.

[D'riss]

Checking up.

[Serc]

What's the whole level thing about? Are they explicitly mentioned in the book? I would think the higher the number the higher the level, but from what people are saying it works the other way around?

Fener came on, spewed vitriol at our poor manners and disappears again, with no response to the tons of speculation about him. At this point it seems like he wants us to keep lynching him. IF he's telling the truth about being recruited night 1 and the assumption that Kalse was also recruited night 1 is correct then it would make sense that Fener is a light other, but nothing that Fener has said and done so far makes me inclined to believe him. So do we want to lynch Fener again to try restore balance? Personally I don't think it will be the best idea, there is more going on there than what is apparent and I think we might be playing into Fener's hands somehow.

Does anyone think it's wierd we only had one kill? I suppose the whole level thing might explain it though.

Someone mentioned Mockra as a possible light other - I agree that he could be a watch member, but why specifically light? The watches will be playing pretty similarly to each other, we will probably only be able to tell which might be which by looking at the reactions to trains of people with known CFs. Mockra did have a go at Kalse yesterday, but it initally looked like distancing and I'm not sure how one watch would know the identity of another's recruit the following day, unless there find mechanic is after the recruit mechanic and the watches have finders. I would think it's more likely that Mockra might be in the day watch trying to put in some early distancing on his recruit.

[D'riss]

Ok, so I missed another speed lynch on Fener, and yet again he slips the noose. What a surprise. It now seems fairly conclusive that Fener is a Watch member. I can't buy him being an Inquisitor, or even RI (still). So he is either a Night Watch recruit or a Night Watch member from the start, considering Kalse's allegiance. I think...

Now, onto Kalse. He was fairly ambivalent about lynching Fener on Day 1, but was pretty much for removing him Day 2, which is fairly consistent with the idea that he was a Night 1 recruit for the Day Watch (which seems to be the popular theory). Now, it seems to me that Mockra takes another looking at, considering his weird attack on Kalse yesterday. It would be stupid of him to do that if he was a killer though, which makes me think someone wants us to look at Mockra and not someone else.

[D'riss]

Is nobody wanting to talk? Aww.

Well, I can't stick around for much longer. I'll be back in a little while.

[Shadow]

Sorry kinda back and forth here. I alreayd thought Mockra was suspicious yesterday, but unless we think he's on the other team more than Fener, not sure why we should lynch.

[Ruse]

Im still around

Yeah on the Kalse thing my first thought after i realised he was a recruit was that he was probably killed by Mockra because he was a likely symp to mockra on day one but after he was found to be a recruit it would give mockra some leeway. Ive since poked a load of holes in this theory so i highly doubt its right.

[Alkend]

Well, the benefit of the Inquisition is that we can try a lynch on someone and if it doesn't go through then there's obviously a reason. It makes lynching safer, but also gives the Watches more time to recruit. So those two facets really weigh each other out nicely. We can keep attempting to lynch until we hit a Night Watch/Light Other, sure...but we really DO want the lynches to go through, otherwise it's like a free night action to the other teams. Gah.

Haven't actually had a chance to read Kalse's interactions, will do so now.

[Galayn Lord]

 Kalse, on 18 March 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

 Serc, on 18 March 2010 - 07:19 PM, said:

 Shadow, on 18 March 2010 - 07:07 PM, said:

Well those are good enough points, Serc, but I then ask you why he wasn't modkilled for trying to harm his own team today if he's really telling the truth? I guess you could argue he's 'helping' his team by keeping attention on himself, but then why not go for someone else that may have been visible yesterday (whom he is trying to screen today) who may be the master?

IDK, just my 2 cents. I'd vote Fener today if that was consensus.

Did he really harm his team though? He hasnt named anyone else in his team, he's thrown everyone off balance and I would see what he did as a risky double bluff (if he's telling the truth) rather than a deliberate sabotage of his team. The modkill isn't there to stop people being crazy and or stupid, it's to stop people deliberately ruining the game for others.

And we should go for the master is what I'm saying... I think we've crossed wires a little bit here? Do you think Mockra is Fener's master?

I agree 100% with the underlined.

I dont agree.
If he was recruited he has given his opposing teams information that his team should not want to be given out.
So it is harmful if true.
I think he was not recruited or he would have been modkilled.

Especially with the way he went about it...
"i have been recruited, kill me" there is no scenario that his death would be helpful to his new team.
I can only conclude that he wants to be targeted for reasons that we dont know, and he is using being recruited as his "excuse".


anyways...back to catching up.

[Galayn Lord]

 Fener, on 19 March 2010 - 01:54 AM, said:

AND TO HELL WITH YOUR FUCKING "FENER BLAH BLAH BLAHED THE GAME" I am a fucking character playing the game. You can say whatever bout my gameplay.

IF you would just work out how to use that phone of yours...