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Kallor is cunning enough to avoid a confrontation with Anomander Rake but I think that if he did the outcome may not be as obvious as everyone thinks. Look at his prowess with the blade...
Wtf at "Whiskeyjack had Kallor?"
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Posted 29 July 2005 - 07:47 AM
quote:I thought that at the end of MoI, Korlat was told to hunt down Kallor and bring him back to Anomander, alive.
Indeed, Anomander wants to stick his sword in Kallor.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 09:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by Demon Pyrokronix:
Near the end of Memories of Ice, some malazans are talking about how Whiskeyjack only got killed because he leg gave out while he was trying to do a duelist lunge. One also says "the bastard had Kallor" which is completely untrue. I mean, we're not talking about some weak simpleton here, we're talking about one of the most powerful beings on Genebackis, and he was almost beaten by Whiskeyjacks' "dueslist lunge?" Get real malazan man, there are perhaps 5 beings I could think of that could defeat Kallor. Anomander Rake, Osseric, Caladan Brood, Karsa Orlong and that masked swordsman #1 (sorry the name escapes me.) Whiskeyjack was sure as NOT one of them. Things like that just annoy me, because Kallor is evily powerful and Whiskeyjack, as cool as he is, just doesn't have it in him to take Kallor.
im not too sure how many people/ascendants/gods could survive a sword through the heart. and maybe opening a warren took time that he didnt have.
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Posted 27 July 2005 - 09:59 AM
I wanted to know something. The problem is I havent read Midnight Tides and I dont know if a ny mention of Kallor is made in it.
But I came across the Glossary secition of HOC, in the Deck Of Dragons section for THE HIGH HOUSE OF CHAINS, in the postion of Reaver its written-"(Kallor?)". Why the Question mark, I thought The CG guaranteed a place for him there(mentioned in MOI) for him and his throne. I think its because he failed in his mission in the ending of MOI right?
But if that is so why rescue him in the first place itself?
But I came across the Glossary secition of HOC, in the Deck Of Dragons section for THE HIGH HOUSE OF CHAINS, in the postion of Reaver its written-"(Kallor?)". Why the Question mark, I thought The CG guaranteed a place for him there(mentioned in MOI) for him and his throne. I think its because he failed in his mission in the ending of MOI right?
But if that is so why rescue him in the first place itself?
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Posted 29 July 2005 - 07:33 AM
I thought that at the end of MoI, Korlat was told to hunt down Kallor and bring him back to Anomander, alive.
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Posted 29 July 2005 - 02:49 PM
*sigh*
Draconus had been forging the sword for a long long long long long ... long long long time. He told no one of this. After Kallor cursed him, he realized that it was this sword that would end up killing him. When he told K'Rul and Sister of Cold Nights about the sword and how it has a sort of finality to it, they told him to change making of the sword. But ofcourse that was next to impossible as Dragnipur was nearing completion by that time. It wasn't designed specifically for Kallor.
Draconus had been forging the sword for a long long long long long ... long long long time. He told no one of this. After Kallor cursed him, he realized that it was this sword that would end up killing him. When he told K'Rul and Sister of Cold Nights about the sword and how it has a sort of finality to it, they told him to change making of the sword. But ofcourse that was next to impossible as Dragnipur was nearing completion by that time. It wasn't designed specifically for Kallor.
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Posted 29 July 2005 - 04:53 AM
How can that be. Korlat is a TISTE ANDII, more she is also a soletaken. Kallor shares none of these attributes and he is just a HUMAN. He might be VERY good with a sword(infact he is), but I dont think Korlat will have the patience to pick up a sword and have a duel with him, she'd rather turn into her soletaken form and rip him limb from limb.
Does Kallor have the power to open warrens, I mean he is just a swordsman right. If he dosent then thats another negative as Korlat can.
Does Kallor have the power to open warrens, I mean he is just a swordsman right. If he dosent then thats another negative as Korlat can.
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Posted 27 July 2005 - 05:18 AM
john:
kallor has the strength of a normal human being... his skill with a sword is gained through practice.. he has no access to magic on his own,..
he is cursed with immortality... but he will still age... his aging process is held back with ritual and potions...
therefore in his fight vs WJ its a matter of human vs human and skill vs skill...
kallor has experience on his side, WJ is a BB , more than human.. and is also dammed skill with a sword...
however kallor has a backing of the chained god adn allow him to get forced healing..
so when the troppers said that wj had kallor if his leg haven;t given out on him could be true..
remember that there are different type of power
kallor has the strength of a normal human being... his skill with a sword is gained through practice.. he has no access to magic on his own,..
he is cursed with immortality... but he will still age... his aging process is held back with ritual and potions...
therefore in his fight vs WJ its a matter of human vs human and skill vs skill...
kallor has experience on his side, WJ is a BB , more than human.. and is also dammed skill with a sword...
however kallor has a backing of the chained god adn allow him to get forced healing..
so when the troppers said that wj had kallor if his leg haven;t given out on him could be true..
remember that there are different type of power
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Posted 28 July 2005 - 09:55 AM
quote:Originally posted by Jonn:
But I came across the Glossary secition of HOC, in the Deck Of Dragons section for THE HIGH HOUSE OF CHAINS, in the postion of Reaver its written-"(Kallor?)". Why the Question mark, I thought The CG guaranteed a place for him there(mentioned in MOI) for him and his throne. I think its because he failed in his mission in the ending of MOI right?
But if that is so why rescue him in the first place itself?
Well, his failure to kill Silverfox near the end of MoI was a personal vendetta for starters, and not really concerning the CG other than the aid he gave to Kallor. And I think the CG wants competition in the ranks of his house, so the most cunning and the toughest survive, so as Kallor gains favour and such in HHC then he might ascend to the King.
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Posted 28 July 2005 - 12:46 PM
Kallor better enjoy his status in CG's house while he has it. He's got a date with a six 1/2 foot sword, if I recall.
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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:03 PM
Jen said:
See all your comments make it seem like you haven't read MoI. Time and time again we're told that Kallor is scared ****less of Anomander. So I don't see how he would win, in a straight fight. Unless ofcourse good old Crippled God is helping then yes it is entirely possible Anomander can lose.
That's what I said, Kallor is smart enough to avoid a direct confrontation with him unless he knows he can win. Maybe the crippled god will intervene or maybe something else will happen. What we do know is that Kallor is extremely powerful and has a lot of tricks up his sleave.
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Posted 06 August 2005 - 07:36 PM
i think kallor had grown pretty complacent, and that weakened him
but just because kallor was a near ascendant doesnt mean that whiskeyjack is hopelessly outmanuevered. whiskeyjack was a powerful powerful man as indicated by the people who were his friends.
and even disregarding that, just because kallor is a near ascendant doesnt mean he is a god. amondar rake is an ascendant; hell he's the knight of high house dark. but among the mortal segulah hes only ranked 7th.
furthermore, the fact that whiskeyjack had extended himself so fully is the proof that he had kallor. maybe not dead, but fatallly wounded.
but just because kallor was a near ascendant doesnt mean that whiskeyjack is hopelessly outmanuevered. whiskeyjack was a powerful powerful man as indicated by the people who were his friends.
and even disregarding that, just because kallor is a near ascendant doesnt mean he is a god. amondar rake is an ascendant; hell he's the knight of high house dark. but among the mortal segulah hes only ranked 7th.
furthermore, the fact that whiskeyjack had extended himself so fully is the proof that he had kallor. maybe not dead, but fatallly wounded.
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Posted 06 August 2005 - 10:55 PM
I think that he's only ranked seventh because he got bored and left after killing the previous seventh. And besides, that was with swords only. If Anomander worked some Galain Mojo, or shifted into a dragon, the entire seguleh people would be toast (and not in a good way).
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Posted 07 August 2005 - 04:52 AM
You need to keep something in mind:
Whiskeyjack could hold Dassem Ultor and beat him. The majority of times, it was DU who was beating him, but he was still no slouch by any stretch. I remember it was close to fifty/fifty between the two- I'm sure someone with an freakishly eidetitic memory'll be like, "No, no, pages 121, 165 and 654 of MOI say this, this, this, and this" but, until then, I'll stick to my story :-D And this is the First Sword we're talkin' about here, the pre-eminent swordsman in the Empire.
Also, the references to Raraku- Whiskeyjack, QB, Kalam, Fiddler and twenty-five other men, after their ordeal in Raraku, took on a enemy four-hundred strong in a friggin' fort. (maybe it was 300. Eitherwho, it was mad outnumberage) And whooped up on their arses, to boot. So, no, none of them are "normal"
I'd say that Whiskeyjack himself was a near ascendant as well.
The fact that people like Korlat and Anomander respect Whiskeyjack says something for him, as well. Neither would respect some punk.
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Whiskeyjack could hold Dassem Ultor and beat him. The majority of times, it was DU who was beating him, but he was still no slouch by any stretch. I remember it was close to fifty/fifty between the two- I'm sure someone with an freakishly eidetitic memory'll be like, "No, no, pages 121, 165 and 654 of MOI say this, this, this, and this" but, until then, I'll stick to my story :-D And this is the First Sword we're talkin' about here, the pre-eminent swordsman in the Empire.
Also, the references to Raraku- Whiskeyjack, QB, Kalam, Fiddler and twenty-five other men, after their ordeal in Raraku, took on a enemy four-hundred strong in a friggin' fort. (maybe it was 300. Eitherwho, it was mad outnumberage) And whooped up on their arses, to boot. So, no, none of them are "normal"
I'd say that Whiskeyjack himself was a near ascendant as well.The fact that people like Korlat and Anomander respect Whiskeyjack says something for him, as well. Neither would respect some punk.
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Posted 07 August 2005 - 09:24 PM
^Well made point but Miskeyjack did NOT "pwn" Kallor. Kallor is Reaver of High House Chains which already enhances his already formidable power, making him virtually an ascendant. I mean, if being a DESTRIANT made Heboric (who is an athritic old man) as powerful as he is hell knows what it'd to Kallor, who is already a near God.
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Posted 08 August 2005 - 01:00 AM
However, since Whiskeyjack himself is near ascendant, beyond which, Kallor is doomed to NEVER Ascend, they might be, in terms of raw power, about equal. I'm not saying that Kallor ain't got tricks up his sleeves like a mo'fo, but that, power wise, they're about equal
Exactly how much does Draconis, K'rul, and the Sister of Cold Nights curse diminish him is the question.
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Exactly how much does Draconis, K'rul, and the Sister of Cold Nights curse diminish him is the question.
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Posted 08 August 2005 - 06:40 PM
Actually the quote on dassem and whiskeyjacks sparring was that it took a while for dassem to break through his gaurd... implying that dassem would always win but it took him a while... and from reading NoK i'd say holding off dassem for mere seconds is a truly admirable feat...
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Posted 09 August 2005 - 11:22 AM
Yeah but Kallor is the Reaver of high house chains so doesn't that enhance his power fourther?
