[HoosierDaddy]

Why is public school socialization different? You don't get to choose who is around you, like in the real world. Public school teaches coping mechanisms that, in my opinion, home school can not. Public school forces children to self-identify and evolve at a much more rapid pace than in the home. There is a reason why the majority of home-schooled children have trouble adjusting to public school.

[Obdigore]

Just for my peace of mind, Bridgeburner42, you do realize you said a 'small majority' are mal-adjusted right? As in over 50%?

And if you actually meant that, then you aren't speaking from the terms of the 'average', so why should I?

This post has been edited by Obdigore: 04 February 2010 - 08:12 PM

[bridgeburner42]

H.D., on 04 February 2010 - 08:09 PM, said:

Why is public school socialization different? You don't get to choose who is around you, like in the real world. Public school teaches coping mechanisms that, in my opinion, home school can not. Public school forces children to self-identify and evolve at a much more rapid pace than in the home. There is a reason why the majority of home-schooled children have trouble adjusting to public school.

Sure, there are things you can't learn when home schooled. Such as how to use drugs, seeing how many f bombs you can fit into one sentence, learning how to join a gang and all sorts of stuff. However you can learn all those other things you talked about while being home schooled, it's not like we never leave home. We actually spend more time socializing than sitting around in a class room. And I'm not sure what you mean by "evolving at a much more rapid pace than in home"?

[bridgeburner42]

Obdigore, on 04 February 2010 - 08:10 PM, said:

Just for my peace of mind, Bridgeburner42, you do realize you said a 'small majority' are mal-adjusted right? As in over 50%?

And if you actually meant that, then you aren't speaking from the terms of the 'average', so why should I?

Sorry if I confused you there. I was talking about the "general" majority of public schoolers and home schoolers. And no, small majority usually means less than 50 %. I was saying that a small majority of home schoolers are the socially awkward geeks, who wear pocket protectors and stuff.

[Obdigore]

bridgeburner42, on 04 February 2010 - 08:36 PM, said:

Obdigore, on 04 February 2010 - 08:10 PM, said:

Just for my peace of mind, Bridgeburner42, you do realize you said a 'small majority' are mal-adjusted right? As in over 50%?

And if you actually meant that, then you aren't speaking from the terms of the 'average', so why should I?

Sorry if I confused you there. I was talking about the "general" majority of public schoolers and home schoolers. And no, small majority usually means less than 50 %. I was saying that a small majority of home schoolers are the socially awkward geeks, who wear pocket protectors and stuff.

No, you didn't confuse me. You used the term 'Small Majority'. Majority is more than 50%. Where are you from that you think the term 'Small Majority' means less than 50%?

[bridgeburner42]

Obdigore, on 04 February 2010 - 08:40 PM, said:

bridgeburner42, on 04 February 2010 - 08:36 PM, said:

Obdigore, on 04 February 2010 - 08:10 PM, said:

Just for my peace of mind, Bridgeburner42, you do realize you said a 'small majority' are mal-adjusted right? As in over 50%?

And if you actually meant that, then you aren't speaking from the terms of the 'average', so why should I?

Sorry if I confused you there. I was talking about the "general" majority of public schoolers and home schoolers. And no, small majority usually means less than 50 %. I was saying that a small majority of home schoolers are the socially awkward geeks, who wear pocket protectors and stuff.

No, you didn't confuse me. You used the term 'Small Majority'. Majority is more than 50%. Where are you from that you think the term 'Small Majority' means less than 50%?

Oh, yes I get you now. You are totally right, that was a retarded choice of words. I meant more along the lines of small percentage.

[Illuyankas]

Some would call that a minority.

[bridgeburner42]

Illuyankas, on 04 February 2010 - 08:51 PM, said:

Some would call that a minority.

Sure that works as well. You guys seem to have run out of arguments and just picking apart mine now huh?

[Obdigore]

bridgeburner42, on 04 February 2010 - 08:55 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on 04 February 2010 - 08:51 PM, said:

Some would call that a minority.

Sure that works as well. You guys seem to have run out of arguments and just picking apart mine now huh?

...

You do realize that you don't win any kind of discussion by just responding more than the other people, especially when you ignore a large majority of 'evidence' put against you, then have what you did deign to respond to picked apart. I think we are all trying to be pretty nice to you as you obviously have a different view than the rest of us, which is fine.

On a more personal note, do your parents teach you religion (and if so, which?) while you are being home schooled?

[Epiph]

bridgeburner42, on 04 February 2010 - 08:30 PM, said:

Sure, there are things you can't learn when home schooled. Such as how to use drugs, seeing how many f bombs you can fit into one sentence, learning how to join a gang and all sorts of stuff. However you can learn all those other things you talked about while being home schooled, it's not like we never leave home. We actually spend more time socializing than sitting around in a class room. And I'm not sure what you mean by "evolving at a much more rapid pace than in home"?

This is absolutely wrong. I have a bunch of friends who were all home schooled. They are all weird and at least a little socially awkward (this is in comparison to me, also rather socially awkward in that nerdy way). They were part of a home school group in Austin, so they had a much socialization as you can get when you're not rubbing elbows with your peers for 9am to 3pm plus bus rides. They are got up to more drinking and drug use than I did, and I hung out with stoners in high school, and all have far filthier mouths that I do, and got themselves into violent hijinks (not gangs, granted...but then, I'm not even sure there's that much gang activity in the "bad" parts of Austin). On the other hand, they're all incredibly intelligent, perceptive, well-read, and knowledgeable about all sorts of things...but they're all giant nerds, so I assume if they'd been in school, it would have been the same thing.

I'm in the camp that thinks that unless you actually fear for the physical safety of your children in the local schools, that it's all about the environment you foster for them and the supplemental education you give them at home. I think homeschooling one's kids is too much work for not enough reward.

[bridgeburner42]

Obdigore, on 04 February 2010 - 09:06 PM, said:

bridgeburner42, on 04 February 2010 - 08:55 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on 04 February 2010 - 08:51 PM, said:

Some would call that a minority.

Sure that works as well. You guys seem to have run out of arguments and just picking apart mine now huh?

...

You do realize that you don't win any kind of discussion by just responding more than the other people, especially when you ignore a large majority of 'evidence' put against you, then have what you did deign to respond to picked apart. I think we are all trying to be pretty nice to you as you obviously have a different view than the rest of us, which is fine.

On a more personal note, do your parents teach you religion (and if so, which?) while you are being home schooled?

Yes I totally realize I won't win it by that, i'm just trying to respond to everyone (sorry if that makes me look like a dork). And yes there are definitely advantages to going to public school. You get to hang out with friends all day, the sports, the labs and plenty of other stuff. I'm not saying there isn't any advantages. And I thank you all for being nice, though you all haven't really acknowledged any of the points I have made either...

Um....I don't know if they necessarily teach me religion. (We don't have like a religion hour or anything). And I've been teaching myself for the last couple years. But yes, I am a christian.

[Obdigore]

So why did your parents decide to home school you?

[bridgeburner42]

Obdigore, on 04 February 2010 - 09:54 PM, said:

So why did your parents decide to home school you?

They pulled me out in like 5th or 6th grade, and they were very involved up until these last couple years. So I've not been teaching myself the all the time. Why did they pull me out?
Mostly because they saw that I was starting to head down some paths that weren't good, I was more interested in being "cool" and stuff than actually learning. I'm not really sure of their exact reasons, but something like that. And they knew some people who had been home schooling their kids, and they liked all the things they had heard. Also my Dad had helped start the school I went to, and he had eventually left the board because of the morons on there. He saw the direction they were going and didn't like it. The school was tanking pretty fast.

[amphibian]

Epiph, on 04 February 2010 - 09:13 PM, said:

I'm in the camp that thinks that unless you actually fear for the physical safety of your children in the local schools, that it's all about the environment you foster for them and the supplemental education you give them at home. I think homeschooling one's kids is too much work for not enough reward.

That's a great way to word it, Epiph.

One of the things I notice about kids who do well is that their parents involve them in activities the parents do when they get home. Instead of plopping down in front of the TV or the computer, they include their kids in activities like model airplane building (my cousins and their father), jiu-jitsu (my instructor and his eight year old son), dealing with the immigration bureaucracies/hosting long-term guests and family/family friends (my parents and my brothers). In my experience, it's actually better to do it that way, as the kids become a very welcome change of pace from work and it roughly resembles the old "apprenticeship" system - which worked well for single career paths.

There's a certain amount of stir-craziness that most parents occasionally encounter and I'd imagine that gets magnified considerably for home-schoolers. Plus, the financial situation for most families is that both parents usually need to work in order to sustain a good life.

bridgeburner42, on 04 February 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:

Yes I totally realize I won't win it by that, i'm just trying to respond to everyone (sorry if that makes me look like a dork).

Generally the thing to do is to wait, let a few people speak and give yourself time to notice patterns, sketch out a response and then fine-tune it as you mentally gnaw it over some. After a while of doing that, you get better at it and can do it faster, as experience allows you to anticipate some things (never the course of an Erikson book, though).

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Um....I don't know if they necessarily teach me religion. (We don't have like a religion hour or anything). And I've been teaching myself for the last couple years. But yes, I am a christian.

How are you measuring your progress academically?

[Obdigore]

bridgeburner42, on 04 February 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

Obdigore, on 04 February 2010 - 09:54 PM, said:

So why did your parents decide to home school you?

They pulled me out in like 5th or 6th grade, and they were very involved up until these last couple years. So I've not been teaching myself the all the time. Why did they pull me out?
Mostly because they saw that I was starting to head down some paths that weren't good, I was more interested in being "cool" and stuff than actually learning. I'm not really sure of their exact reasons, but something like that. And they knew some people who had been home schooling their kids, and they liked all the things they had heard. Also my Dad had helped start the school I went to, and he had eventually left the board because of the morons on there. He saw the direction they were going and didn't like it. The school was tanking pretty fast.

So would you be willing to admit that your life experiences might very from the average home schooler who, in general, never have gone to a public school, have no parents who were ever involved on the educater side of education, and that your opinion (and it is opinion) might differ from other opinions (and these are opinions too) of children who may have gone soley to public school or been home schooled then went to public school?

That is why I have no want to argue with you. You are basing what you say on your personal life experiences, as is nearly everyone else in this thread. Noone has brought any hard data/studies into it, so what is the point of arguing, we are just sharing opinions, and in general noone is going to change their opinion because of what they read from other people presenting their opinions on an internet message board.

This post has been edited by Obdigore: 04 February 2010 - 10:42 PM

[bridgeburner42]

Thanks amphibian that's good advice, I haven't really been on a forum before. So thanks. And the state in which I live requires us to take tests every other year, so we can measure ourselves.

Yes Obdigore you have a really good point, we are all just expressing our opinions. Although I could go and get one of the books we have on home schooling that have some evidence as to some of the advantages of it. We have quite a few of those.

[Shinrei]

First of all, I can guarantee that Jusen's kids won't get some kind of weird evangelical holy roller upbringing, so they are less likely to be socially awkward for that reason.

If you home school kids, just get them involved in all kinds of extracurriculars like sports and/or music ensembles etc, and they can get their socializing there. I knew a couple of home schooled kids when I was growing up through some mutual extra-curricular stuff and they were among the "cool" kids and were not awkward at all.

[Jusentantaka]

Shinrei, on 05 February 2010 - 12:04 AM, said:

First of all, I can guarantee that Jusen's kids won't get some kind of weird evangelical holy roller upbringing, so they are less likely to be socially awkward for that reason.

While true, on the other hand, I do associate with far too many porno-trash contemporary interpretive dancers. Some church might be called for to balance things out.


So yeah! Thanks for all the replies and all, all of you, now we'll just have to see what the Husboo says about it, one way or the other.

[maro]

Am I alone in seeing the irony of piling on the home-schooled person for being socially awkward on an Internet Forum?

[Adjutant Stormy~]

maro, on 05 February 2010 - 01:39 AM, said:

Am I alone in seeing the irony of piling on the home-schooled person for being socially awkward on an Internet Forum?

BURN, SICK BURN.

bridgeburner42, on 04 February 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

Obdigore, on 04 February 2010 - 09:54 PM, said:

So why did your parents decide to home school you?

They pulled me out in like 5th or 6th grade, and they were very involved up until these last couple years. So I've not been teaching myself the all the time. Why did they pull me out?
Mostly because they saw that I was starting to head down some paths that weren't good, I was more interested in being "cool" and stuff than actually learning. I'm not really sure of their exact reasons, but something like that. And they knew some people who had been home schooling their kids, and they liked all the things they had heard. Also my Dad had helped start the school I went to, and he had eventually left the board because of the morons on there. He saw the direction they were going and didn't like it. The school was tanking pretty fast.

I would see that as minor overreaction on their part.