[Spite]

Serc, on 03 February 2010 - 07:40 PM, said:

I also wonder who Omtose was. Was he rolelss Inno, one of the crew, or one of the paired agents.

On a re-read this post stuck out.

It's a pretty pointless post since we have no way of knowing unless link comes forward.

It struck me as being either really pointless, since we've no way of knowing, or potentially dangerous since if link thinks we need the CF, even if it's not something useful, he may come forward.

I'm going to:

Vote serc

I know it's not much, but i've got to go shortly, and probably won't be back. This day is timed really badly for me, running out slightly before I am likely to be back, and leaving me asleep for a lot it. Since I won't be around later when the game will, hopefully, pick up, I think it's a good idea to leave a vote, hopefully help get things going a bit more.

[Path-Shaper]

I switched the Emurlahn alt for the Spite alt for technical reasons only.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 14 hours and 18 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Serc, Spite, Tulas Shorn

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for D'riss ( Olar Ethil )
1 Vote for Serc ( Spite )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Osseric, Serc, Tulas Shorn

[Olar Ethil]

Path-Shaper, on 04 February 2010 - 12:07 AM, said:

I switched the Emurlahn alt for the Spite alt for technical reasons only.

Thanks for the clarification .


@Spite and Tulas Shorn: I don't think scum are above playing dumb when it suits them, so I think giving Barghast a pass here is a wee bit dangerous. As I've said, it's in their interest to bog the game down with rule discussion. So I find Barghast's play pretty suspicious in that light.

I'm off to bed now. I think I'll keep my vote on D'riss for the time being, since I think his total cluelessness is both more extreme and slightly more likely to be put on than Barghast's.

[Tulas Shorn]

Thanks for the extar clarification PS , i hadnt noticed the earlier one somehow.

Right now im going to go to sleep, should be back by lynch time but on the off chance im not i will leave a vote on

Vote Barghast

because while it could be a confused person there is still the chance it was scum making a mistake, and im not that sure at all of anyone else at the moment

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 13 hours and 13 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Serc, Spite, Tulas Shorn

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Barghast ( Tulas Shorn )
1 Vote for D'riss ( Olar Ethil )
1 Vote for Serc ( Spite )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Osseric, Serc

[Serc]

Spite, on 04 February 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

Serc, on 03 February 2010 - 07:40 PM, said:

I also wonder who Omtose was. Was he rolelss Inno, one of the crew, or one of the paired agents.

On a re-read this post stuck out.

It's a pretty pointless post since we have no way of knowing unless link comes forward.

It struck me as being either really pointless, since we've no way of knowing, or potentially dangerous since if link thinks we need the CF, even if it's not something useful, he may come forward.

I'm going to:

Vote serc

I know it's not much, but i've got to go shortly, and probably won't be back. This day is timed really badly for me, running out slightly before I am likely to be back, and leaving me asleep for a lot it. Since I won't be around later when the game will, hopefully, pick up, I think it's a good idea to leave a vote, hopefully help get things going a bit more.

I was wondering if my vote helped the crew or hurt it. Link should not reveal under any circumstances. I would think you would see that as painfully obvious. I certainly hope link does.

I think the Link CF is a bad mechanic. There is no way to use it. Just my opinion.

As to the votes that are out at this point. I feel like we are grasping at straws, but the Barghast case has more merit that the D'riss one at the moment, so that is where I will park my vote for now. I'm not above moving it to Spite for the lame vote on me, but I'm not a huge fan of OMGUS voting.

I do want to hear what Barghast has to say in his defense.

vote Barghast

edit: mis-voted

This post has been edited by Serc: 04 February 2010 - 02:30 AM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 11 hours and 49 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Serc, Spite, Tulas Shorn

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Barghast ( Tulas Shorn, Serc )
1 Vote for D'riss ( Olar Ethil )
1 Vote for Serc ( Spite )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Osseric

I'm off, don't break anything.

[D'riss]

hey all, i'm back
footy was deadly yesterday, so I slept all the way thru my morning workout and was almost late for work. and I had a new guy follow me around all day, so zero time for phone mafia, for which I apologize.

anyhow, it seems I got an ignorance vote and Bargy's getting pressure for saying reload was a bad thing.

i gotta shower/eat, then i'll post some of my thoughts. bear with me, plz.

[Osseric]

I had been thinking about the Emu-Spite possibility. Good to know it is just technical.

[Osseric]

Serc, on 04 February 2010 - 02:29 AM, said:

Spite, on 04 February 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

Serc, on 03 February 2010 - 07:40 PM, said:

I also wonder who Omtose was. Was he rolelss Inno, one of the crew, or one of the paired agents.

On a re-read this post stuck out.

It's a pretty pointless post since we have no way of knowing unless link comes forward.

It struck me as being either really pointless, since we've no way of knowing, or potentially dangerous since if link thinks we need the CF, even if it's not something useful, he may come forward.

I'm going to:

Vote serc

I know it's not much, but i've got to go shortly, and probably won't be back. This day is timed really badly for me, running out slightly before I am likely to be back, and leaving me asleep for a lot it. Since I won't be around later when the game will, hopefully, pick up, I think it's a good idea to leave a vote, hopefully help get things going a bit more.

I was wondering if my vote helped the crew or hurt it. Link should not reveal under any circumstances. I would think you would see that as painfully obvious. I certainly hope link does.

I think the Link CF is a bad mechanic. There is no way to use it. Just my opinion.

As to the votes that are out at this point. I feel like we are grasping at straws, but the Barghast case has more merit that the D'riss one at the moment, so that is where I will park my vote for now. I'm not above moving it to Spite for the lame vote on me, but I'm not a huge fan of OMGUS voting.

I do want to hear what Barghast has to say in his defense.

vote Barghast

edit: mis-voted

I see this and immediately think you are scum trying to keep innos as blind and dumb as possible. If Link, knowing what he knows, decides the circumstances are right, then he should go ahead and reveal. Eventually he'll get killed or "Smithed". If he doesn't reveal before then we'll know nothing, which is what you want.

Vote Serc

[Barghast]

Hola people, catching up.

[Barghast]

Ok, it seems I'm getting pressure from that remark I made earlier. Ok, I can respond.

I never said the Reload was a bad thing. I said it wasn't the greatest, but that it wasn't bad either. A positive I can think of is that Morpheus' finds aren't almost invalidated with the alt switch. So far only one is almost useless.

I was basically lamenting the fact that we have to start over again. I would have preferred to have at least one scum in the ground first (we already could have, but the evidence for it was admittedly flimsy). Now you may be wondering, 'is he an idiot? That gives the scum an extra day to kill!' Maybe, but now instead of 3 scum with two kills/night, we have paired killers and a Smith who can recruit others, and talk to them. Considering we only win when all Agents are dead (including the copies, I assume), every day brings us further away from a win. It will be luck if Smith hits Neo, let's be honest. And considering now we already have at least 2 scum, possibly 3 (and potentially more tomorrow unless we hit them), with 5 votes to lynch today, it's not the all-positive situation people are making it out to be.

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 04 February 2010 - 04:57 AM, said:

Serc, on 04 February 2010 - 02:29 AM, said:

Spite, on 04 February 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

Serc, on 03 February 2010 - 07:40 PM, said:

I also wonder who Omtose was. Was he rolelss Inno, one of the crew, or one of the paired agents.

On a re-read this post stuck out.

It's a pretty pointless post since we have no way of knowing unless link comes forward.

It struck me as being either really pointless, since we've no way of knowing, or potentially dangerous since if link thinks we need the CF, even if it's not something useful, he may come forward.

I'm going to:

Vote serc

I know it's not much, but i've got to go shortly, and probably won't be back. This day is timed really badly for me, running out slightly before I am likely to be back, and leaving me asleep for a lot it. Since I won't be around later when the game will, hopefully, pick up, I think it's a good idea to leave a vote, hopefully help get things going a bit more.

I was wondering if my vote helped the crew or hurt it. Link should not reveal under any circumstances. I would think you would see that as painfully obvious. I certainly hope link does.

I think the Link CF is a bad mechanic. There is no way to use it. Just my opinion.

As to the votes that are out at this point. I feel like we are grasping at straws, but the Barghast case has more merit that the D'riss one at the moment, so that is where I will park my vote for now. I'm not above moving it to Spite for the lame vote on me, but I'm not a huge fan of OMGUS voting.

I do want to hear what Barghast has to say in his defense.

vote Barghast

edit: mis-voted

I see this and immediately think you are scum trying to keep innos as blind and dumb as possible. If Link, knowing what he knows, decides the circumstances are right, then he should go ahead and reveal. Eventually he'll get killed or "Smithed". If he doesn't reveal before then we'll know nothing, which is what you want.

Vote Serc

I'm gonna have to agree with this. Without Link, we essentially don't have a CF. Telling Link it's 'painfully obvious' that he shouldn't reveal at all is moronic in the extreme. I won't vote you Serc, as it will put you at L-2, but IGMEOY.

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 03 February 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 February 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

Sorry about the confusion with the win conditions - meaning and intent gets blurred sometimes when I write these things. It's what happens when you have an over active brain. Innos win when Neo has been hit in any way - by Smith, other agents, or lynched. I hope that clears it up.

This is a HUGE difference. I don't know about everyone else, but I thought the "special bulletproof" meant he was just BP against the regular agents. So it's much better for us if Smith recruits innos so that there's a better chance of either SCUM team hitting Neo.

Hmmm, I just saw this. I was under the impression we only won if Neo was lynched or Smith copied. Well then, my analysis seems rather doomsday now. Doesn't make it less hard to lynch, but easier for Neo to be hit.

EDIT: spelling

This post has been edited by Barghast: 04 February 2010 - 05:56 AM

[Barghast]

Is no one else on?

[D'riss]

I am, still.

realistically, I think our chances to get it right are higher with the reload. We need lynches, and with 9 people alive right now, 4 of the 9 are good lynch targets--3 agents (assuming WCS here) and Neo. I don't think there can be any doubt that we need to lynch.

[D'riss]

having read this, as well as my last statement, I don't see why Link shouldn't reveal today, if he feels endangered. the oracle can always cookie him up, after all. Today's a good day for a lynch, I believe we need to take advantage of that.

having said that, I'll

vote Serc
because i'm going to bed and I have no clue what time the day'll time out. I'd encourage him to reveal, if he's around and a valuable character, though.


good night all

[Barghast]

D, on 04 February 2010 - 06:10 AM, said:

I am, still.

realistically, I think our chances to get it right are higher with the reload. We need lynches, and with 9 people alive right now, 4 of the 9 are good lynch targets--3 agents (assuming WCS here) and Neo. I don't think there can be any doubt that we need to lynch.

Oh, I've no doubt that we need to lynch and lynch right - in fact, it's a necessity considering the scum have the potential to deplete the inno numbers and inflate their own at the same time. The fact that the paired agents can win it for us makes things a lot better, but we definitely can't afford inno lynches. That's why I didn't like it being 'Day 1' again, since Day 1 cases are invariably weak in lieu of a fuck up, and frequently wrong.

Which makes me even more suspicious of Serc, who jumped on me fairly quickly even after Tulas admitted the evidence on me doesn't really justify a case. Doesn't even explain why either, only that it 'has more merit' than the one on you. Odd.

[Barghast]

D, on 04 February 2010 - 06:17 AM, said:

having read this, as well as my last statement, I don't see why Link shouldn't reveal today, if he feels endangered. the oracle can always cookie him up, after all. Today's a good day for a lynch, I believe we need to take advantage of that.

having said that, I'll

vote Serc
because i'm going to bed and I have no clue what time the day'll time out. I'd encourage him to reveal, if he's around and a valuable character, though.


good night all

The cookie doesn't protect against the paired killers, D'riss, only Smith copies. And if all he's got is 'oh, Omtose was inno', then he's stuck his neck out for no reason. Even if Link reveals Omtose was scum, that leaves us nothing with regards to finding good lynch targets today. Don't get your reasoning D'riss.

EDIT: and another vote on Serc? You say we need a lynch (and a good one), and we have three votes piled on in succession? Speed lynching is something we really don't want to do. We still have about 6 hours left by my watch. That train looks a mite suspicious to me.

This post has been edited by Barghast: 04 February 2010 - 06:28 AM