[Olar Ethil]

I don't think pressuring people to vote is scummy when several games in a row have featured a lot of last-minute voting and non lynches. You have to vote people off to win, even if it's not necessarily a great vote. Scum never have to vote to win the game. Look at the previous game... the two candidates for lynch on the final day were both innos. The game was already over by the time the first scum got online.

[Omtose]

Well, with a Mockra Modkill, and a straight denial by Serc.. that leaves me with a list of, Ampleas, Emur or Gamelon as possible Neo's.

I guess he could have been on my train earlier, but i really doubt it, and with the exception of Barghast, all have posted and not really challenged me on that.

[Tulas Shorn]

At this point pretty much anyone could be Neo, noone seems to be trying particularly hard to garner votes. Emur and Gam seem the most likely, but they also haven't said all that much so it's hard to tell.

[Ruse]

Serc, on 02 February 2010 - 07:39 PM, said:

Nope, I'm not neo. I just thought you were being stupid. I didn't vote because scum doing that seems, at best, like a risky maneuvre on an outside chance of PI'ing themselves(scum wouldn't do that, and you weren't lynched for being neo...). Possible, but kinda unlikely.
I also didn't think you were neo because you seemed like you wanted a way to drop the issue quietly(with the stuff about dropping it if the mod clarified). So, I felt your play was certainly wierd, but not in a way that I could see being particularly worth voting for.

Can't say I like the "come on, just vote" stuff. Pressuring people to vote seems scummy to me.

Please stand by for an important announcement.

[rant]Not having a vote down to me is Scummy. This game(mafia) has gone to shit because everybody gets on and says....Durrr,,,,i won't vote now.....duurrr.I will wait until 2 fucking hours after day times out. FUCK....yes it pisses me off.The only people to benefit from no lynches is SCUM.[/rant]

now back to your regular scheduled game.

[Ruse]

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Omtose
For some reason it seems lately people have been hesitant to throw their votes around. Thats our power, its how we get info. Which is why I dont like

Omtose, on 02 February 2010 - 07:42 PM, said:

Serc, on 02 February 2010 - 07:39 PM, said:

Nope, I'm not neo. I just thought you were being stupid. I didn't vote because scum doing that seems, at best, like a risky maneuvre on an outside chance of PI'ing themselves(scum wouldn't do that, and you weren't lynched for being neo...). Possible, but kinda unlikely.
I also didn't think you were neo because you seemed like you wanted a way to drop the issue quietly(with the stuff about dropping it if the mod clarified). So, I felt your play was certainly wierd, but not in a way that I could see being particularly worth voting for.

Can't say I like the "come on, just vote" stuff. Pressuring people to vote seems scummy to me.

Bah

Remove vote

WTF..

.you too Tulas

I think I will use "nope" as my defense for now on.

[Tulas Shorn]

The point was Omtose built his case against Serc based on him possibly being Neo. Neo would likely lurk, ignore the case, rant, act like an ass, whatever; but not deny that he was Neo and ask us not to lynch him. There's nothing to suggest he is an agent (or that he isnt for that matter) so I removed because the case against him was null irrelevant. If the case was based on him being an agent we obviously wouldnt have removed just cause he said no.

[Omtose]

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 08:18 PM, said:

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Omtose
For some reason it seems lately people have been hesitant to throw their votes around. Thats our power, its how we get info. Which is why I dont like

Omtose, on 02 February 2010 - 07:42 PM, said:

Serc, on 02 February 2010 - 07:39 PM, said:

Nope, I'm not neo. I just thought you were being stupid. I didn't vote because scum doing that seems, at best, like a risky maneuvre on an outside chance of PI'ing themselves(scum wouldn't do that, and you weren't lynched for being neo...). Possible, but kinda unlikely.
I also didn't think you were neo because you seemed like you wanted a way to drop the issue quietly(with the stuff about dropping it if the mod clarified). So, I felt your play was certainly wierd, but not in a way that I could see being particularly worth voting for.

Can't say I like the "come on, just vote" stuff. Pressuring people to vote seems scummy to me.

Bah

Remove vote

WTF..

.you too Tulas

I think I will use "nope" as my defense for now on.

Are you not understanding why I voted for Serc? You do understand that Voting Neo off is a good idea?

You do understand that My vote on Serc was based upon him being Neo?

You do understand that Neo want's to be Lynched?

You do understand that Neo would not come straight out and say, that he isn't Neo?

Would Serc's defense hold water if I was accusing him of being Scum? No. But that isn't what I was doing. I guess it comes down to 2 different philosophies ( sp) Do we go for Neo, or do we go for Scum? I think Hitting Neo is most important, and am therfore concentrating my energies on that. Right now I am deciding between, Emur, Amp, and Gamelon.

vote Emurhlan

Because he already has a vote and a couple more will pretty much pressure him into talking a bit more so that we can get a read on him.


If you want my opinion on Scum, I don't like how Ampleas sat around all morning comentating about what was going on, but not really throwing a vote or an opinion out there. I don't like how Serc pops on and complains that we want people to vote, I don't like how you have your vote on me, but other that 'Whelp we have to get the ball rolling" have given no reason why you have kept it there throughout the day when you have clearly been around. Do you think I am scum? Why? Do you think I am Neo? Why? I think I have posted enough today for you to be able to justify your vote a little bit better.

[Omtose]

Tulas Shorn, on 02 February 2010 - 08:23 PM, said:

The point was Omtose built his case against Serc based on him possibly being Neo. Neo would likely lurk, ignore the case, rant, act like an ass, whatever; but not deny that he was Neo and ask us not to lynch him. There's nothing to suggest he is an agent (or that he isnt for that matter) so I removed because the case against him was null irrelevant. If the case was based on him being an agent we obviously wouldnt have removed just cause he said no.

This

X-post but you said it better.

[Ruse]

Omtose, on 02 February 2010 - 08:31 PM, said:

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 08:18 PM, said:

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Omtose
For some reason it seems lately people have been hesitant to throw their votes around. Thats our power, its how we get info. Which is why I dont like

Omtose, on 02 February 2010 - 07:42 PM, said:

Serc, on 02 February 2010 - 07:39 PM, said:

Nope, I'm not neo. I just thought you were being stupid. I didn't vote because scum doing that seems, at best, like a risky maneuvre on an outside chance of PI'ing themselves(scum wouldn't do that, and you weren't lynched for being neo...). Possible, but kinda unlikely.
I also didn't think you were neo because you seemed like you wanted a way to drop the issue quietly(with the stuff about dropping it if the mod clarified). So, I felt your play was certainly wierd, but not in a way that I could see being particularly worth voting for.

Can't say I like the "come on, just vote" stuff. Pressuring people to vote seems scummy to me.

Bah

Remove vote

WTF..

.you too Tulas

I think I will use "nope" as my defense for now on.

Are you not understanding why I voted for Serc? You do understand that Voting Neo off is a good idea?

You do understand that My vote on Serc was based upon him being Neo?

You do understand that Neo want's to be Lynched?

You do understand that Neo would not come straight out and say, that he isn't Neo?

Would Serc's defense hold water if I was accusing him of being Scum? No. But that isn't what I was doing. I guess it comes down to 2 different philosophies ( sp) Do we go for Neo, or do we go for Scum? I think Hitting Neo is most important, and am therfore concentrating my energies on that. Right now I am deciding between, Emur, Amp, and Gamelon.

vote Emurhlan

Because he already has a vote and a couple more will pretty much pressure him into talking a bit more so that we can get a read on him.


If you want my opinion on Scum, I don't like how Ampleas sat around all morning comentating about what was going on, but not really throwing a vote or an opinion out there. I don't like how Serc pops on and complains that we want people to vote, I don't like how you have your vote on me, but other that 'Whelp we have to get the ball rolling" have given no reason why you have kept it there throughout the day when you have clearly been around. Do you think I am scum? Why? Do you think I am Neo? Why? I think I have posted enough today for you to be able to justify your vote a little bit better.

Ok lets look at the highlighted bit.

Why wouldn't Neo come out say he not Neo? Ahhh for one he would modkilled if he didn't.

If you say serc's defense wouldn't be strong for defending against him being scum, why did you remove your vote?

and third and MOST importantly. Why vote is still on you.
since you have started posting today after coming back to find 4 votes on you. Your posts have been well thought out and intelligent. Your posts yesterday were far from that. Playing dumb yesterday perhaps? I believe more today (about 65%)that you are one of the agents.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 4 hours and 5 minutes remaining
11 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Serc, Tulas Shorn

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Emurlahn ( Olar Ethil, Omtose )
3 Votes for Omtose ( Ruse, Barghast, D'riss )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Osseric, Serc, Tulas Shorn

[Tulas Shorn]

Without knowing exactly what Gem's modkill policy towards Neo is, we can't say for sure he will deny being Neo.

Egh I'm fading really fast and still dont really know who to vote for.

[Omtose]

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 08:48 PM, said:

Omtose, on 02 February 2010 - 08:31 PM, said:

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 08:18 PM, said:

Quote

Omtose
For some reason it seems lately people have been hesitant to throw their votes around. Thats our power, its how we get info. Which is why I dont like

Omtose, on 02 February 2010 - 07:42 PM, said:

Serc, on 02 February 2010 - 07:39 PM, said:

Nope, I'm not neo. I just thought you were being stupid. I didn't vote because scum doing that seems, at best, like a risky maneuvre on an outside chance of PI'ing themselves(scum wouldn't do that, and you weren't lynched for being neo...). Possible, but kinda unlikely.
I also didn't think you were neo because you seemed like you wanted a way to drop the issue quietly(with the stuff about dropping it if the mod clarified). So, I felt your play was certainly wierd, but not in a way that I could see being particularly worth voting for.

Can't say I like the "come on, just vote" stuff. Pressuring people to vote seems scummy to me.

Bah

Remove vote

WTF..

.you too Tulas

I think I will use "nope" as my defense for now on.

Are you not understanding why I voted for Serc? You do understand that Voting Neo off is a good idea?

You do understand that My vote on Serc was based upon him being Neo?

You do understand that Neo want's to be Lynched?

You do understand that Neo would not come straight out and say, that he isn't Neo?

Would Serc's defense hold water if I was accusing him of being Scum? No. But that isn't what I was doing. I guess it comes down to 2 different philosophies ( sp) Do we go for Neo, or do we go for Scum? I think Hitting Neo is most important, and am therfore concentrating my energies on that. Right now I am deciding between, Emur, Amp, and Gamelon.

vote Emurhlan

Because he already has a vote and a couple more will pretty much pressure him into talking a bit more so that we can get a read on him.


If you want my opinion on Scum, I don't like how Ampleas sat around all morning comentating about what was going on, but not really throwing a vote or an opinion out there. I don't like how Serc pops on and complains that we want people to vote, I don't like how you have your vote on me, but other that 'Whelp we have to get the ball rolling" have given no reason why you have kept it there throughout the day when you have clearly been around. Do you think I am scum? Why? Do you think I am Neo? Why? I think I have posted enough today for you to be able to justify your vote a little bit better.

Ok lets look at the highlighted bit.

Why wouldn't Neo come out say he not Neo? Ahhh for one he would modkilled if he didn't.

If you say serc's defense wouldn't be strong for defending against him being scum, why did you remove your vote?

and third and MOST importantly. Why vote is still on you.
since you have started posting today after coming back to find 4 votes on you. Your posts have been well thought out and intelligent. Your posts yesterday were far from that. Playing dumb yesterday perhaps? I believe more today (about 65%)that you are one of the agents.

Well, you are 35% right


Bold above is mine: Not understanding what you are saying here? The way I see it, If Neo has a train going on him, he wouldn't confirm or Deny being Neo. Just let us think what we want. If anyone else gets a train on them (FOR BEING NEO) then they will likely deny being Neo (Scum, because they don't want to be lynched, and Inno's becasue they need to signal to other inno's that they aren't Neo). I don't see path shaper Modkilling Neo for not lying to us (Which seems to be what you are saying). Then again, I thought my plan was ok, so maybe I am way off base

So, just to be clear what you are saying: You think that if Neo has a Train forming on him, he is, under obligation because of the rules, to lie to us and say he isn't neo. That's what it looks to me like you are saying

edit: cause I am an idiot who cant do maths

This post has been edited by Omtose: 02 February 2010 - 09:10 PM

[Tulas Shorn]

vote Emurlahn

Because it's between him and Omtose in terms of likely lynch suspects now that there's only four hours remaining. Omtose has contributed way more, so I'd rather keep him around if I'm gonna vote semi-randomly.

Night people

[Ruse]

@Omtose Yea I think he does. I could be way off base, but if he doesn't deny it, he is basically revealing. Maybe PS will clarify.

[Emurlahn]

Heads up Olar Ethil, I'm back and I'm going to post really soon! Don't explode because I suddenly appeared in some tangentially possible related discussion or some such.

WARNINGWARNINGWARNING

[Ruse]

Emurlahn, on 02 February 2010 - 09:14 PM, said:

Heads up Olar Ethil, I'm back and I'm going to post really soon! Don't explode because I suddenly appeared in some tangentially possible related discussion or some such.

WARNINGWARNINGWARNING

and???????????????we are all awaiting your stellar post

[Emurlahn]

Okay, I'm just going to throw out there that I think trying to lynch Neo is not a good plan. Rest assured, I think lynching Neo as soon as possible would be great. BUT, every single little thing can be construed as "that's Neo trying to show us he's Neo" and we're damn unlikely to fixate on the one particular thing that is actually that when there are 40 other ones around us that aren't but we can just as easily fixate on. So instead we end up lynching innos, hitting neither Neo nor agents.

Rather, we should be trying to lynch scum as there's actually a possibility of catching them. Neo, if he has any brains at all, will be trying his best to act like scum because he wants to get lynched/killed!

[Omtose]

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 09:11 PM, said:

@Omtose Yea I think he does. I could be way off base, but if he doesn't deny it, he is basically revealing. Maybe PS will clarify.

Fair enough- I think we might need some Mod clarification then, If the case is that Neo does have to lie to us, I will have to re-evaluate, Kinda sucks it's this late in the day.

[Emurlahn]

if you start debating whether he would *have* to deny it or not Gem will just change the rules so you can't abuse that either, you know.

[Path-Shaper]

For clarification: No revealing whatsoever means no revealing.