[Barghast]

sigh, where is everyone?

gotta go to work, will do a phone check in a few hours.

[Ruse]

Osseric, on 02 February 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 12:54 AM, said:

It's like Omtose is play as a jester,but there is no jester at this point in the game.

I'm just going to vote for him at this point.

vote Omtose

We need to get this party started some how.

Now I wonder, is this Neo sneakily following Omtose's original suggestion? You could make an argument for it not being a 'subtle hint', but rather a behavioural choice, since the suggestion had already been dismissed. That's how I'd be inclined to see it were I modding, anyway.

I can also see the merits of voting Omtose, but four votes in four consecutive posts gives me pause. We don't need a speed lynch just yet. In any case, I think it's a good idea to see how he defends himself before coming to a decision - if all he offers is a limp defence, then it's a good bet that he's the N-man trying to get himself lynched, but if he's very pro-active, it might be a sign that he's not.

I'm more inclined to think Omtose is one of the paired agents. The hard push to get people to try to bend the rules to out Neo looks more like he is trying to hide as an obvious Neo target. So transparent that he doesn't think enough people will vote for him.

I am alarmed by the speed train. But if he is Neo the crew could be trying to help him along. I'm not sure who on the crew know who neo is though.

Also if I was Neo I would try to do this with breaking the rules.

[Tulas Shorn]

Osseric, on 02 February 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 12:54 AM, said:

It's like Omtose is play as a jester,but there is no jester at this point in the game.

I'm just going to vote for him at this point.

vote Omtose

We need to get this party started some how.

Now I wonder, is this Neo sneakily following Omtose's original suggestion? You could make an argument for it not being a 'subtle hint', but rather a behavioural choice, since the suggestion had already been dismissed. That's how I'd be inclined to see it were I modding, anyway.

I can also see the merits of voting Omtose, but four votes in four consecutive posts gives me pause. We don't need a speed lynch just yet. In any case, I think it's a good idea to see how he defends himself before coming to a decision - if all he offers is a limp defence, then it's a good bet that he's the N-man trying to get himself lynched, but if he's very pro-active, it might be a sign that he's not.

That's pretty much my thinking, hopefully he will be on again soon. I think four is enough votes for it to be seen as a proper train, but still far enough from a hammer that people can remove in time to prevent a possible speedlynch attempt.

[Ampelas]

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 03:22 PM, said:

Osseric, on 02 February 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 12:54 AM, said:

It's like Omtose is play as a jester,but there is no jester at this point in the game.

I'm just going to vote for him at this point.

vote Omtose

We need to get this party started some how.

Now I wonder, is this Neo sneakily following Omtose's original suggestion? You could make an argument for it not being a 'subtle hint', but rather a behavioural choice, since the suggestion had already been dismissed. That's how I'd be inclined to see it were I modding, anyway.

I can also see the merits of voting Omtose, but four votes in four consecutive posts gives me pause. We don't need a speed lynch just yet. In any case, I think it's a good idea to see how he defends himself before coming to a decision - if all he offers is a limp defence, then it's a good bet that he's the N-man trying to get himself lynched, but if he's very pro-active, it might be a sign that he's not.

I'm more inclined to think Omtose is one of the paired agents. The hard push to get people to try to bend the rules to out Neo looks more like he is trying to hide as an obvious Neo target. So transparent that he doesn't think enough people will vote for him.

I am alarmed by the speed train. But if he is Neo the crew could be trying to help him along. I'm not sure who on the crew know who neo is though.

Also if I was Neo I would try to do this with breaking the rules.

Even if he was Neo, that scenario wouldn't work. From looking at the OP, only Morpheus knows who any of the other crew is (Trinity and Link), but even he doesn't know who Neo is. Trinity will only find out after the Reload, and due to the shuffled alts, Morpheus won't know Trinity's new alt.

Even if Morpheus has figured out who Neo is (highly unlikely), I don't think he could co-ordinate with the others anyway, because from what I can see, he can't talk to them.

Not discounting that he might be an obvious Neo, but I doubt it's a Neb-induced train.

[Ruse]

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(Omtose)well, my initial thought was to have everyone agree something like "If you are Neo place a vote on Omtose" At which point Neo could vote Omtose. Any inno, clearly wouldn't vote Omtose. Neo, as Town, would vote Omtose. That leave Smith and his 2 Lackeys. They might want to vote Omtose to mess us up/muddy the waters... but at that point they are outing themselves as Scum. SO the only ppl on the Omtose train would be Neo and Scum.

It's an obviuos attempt at PIing himself and I just don't buy it.

Edited in quote tag

This post has been edited by Ruse: 02 February 2010 - 04:08 PM

[Ruse]

Ampelas, on 02 February 2010 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 03:22 PM, said:

Osseric, on 02 February 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 12:54 AM, said:

It's like Omtose is play as a jester,but there is no jester at this point in the game.

I'm just going to vote for him at this point.

vote Omtose

We need to get this party started some how.

Now I wonder, is this Neo sneakily following Omtose's original suggestion? You could make an argument for it not being a 'subtle hint', but rather a behavioural choice, since the suggestion had already been dismissed. That's how I'd be inclined to see it were I modding, anyway.

I can also see the merits of voting Omtose, but four votes in four consecutive posts gives me pause. We don't need a speed lynch just yet. In any case, I think it's a good idea to see how he defends himself before coming to a decision - if all he offers is a limp defence, then it's a good bet that he's the N-man trying to get himself lynched, but if he's very pro-active, it might be a sign that he's not.

I'm more inclined to think Omtose is one of the paired agents. The hard push to get people to try to bend the rules to out Neo looks more like he is trying to hide as an obvious Neo target. So transparent that he doesn't think enough people will vote for him.

I am alarmed by the speed train. But if he is Neo the crew could be trying to help him along. I'm not sure who on the crew know who neo is though.

Also if I was Neo I would try to do this with breaking the rules.

Even if he was Neo, that scenario wouldn't work. From looking at the OP, only Morpheus knows who any of the other crew is (Trinity and Link), but even he doesn't know who Neo is. Trinity will only find out after the Reload, and due to the shuffled alts, Morpheus won't know Trinity's new alt.

Even if Morpheus has figured out who Neo is (highly unlikely), I don't think he could co-ordinate with the others anyway, because from what I can see, he can't talk to them.

Not discounting that he might be an obvious Neo, but I doubt it's a Neb-induced train.

Looking back at the opening post it is a bit confusing. Gem hints at Trinity knowing Neo, the only one I can see who does per the rules is Morpheus. Morpheus know his crew and Neo is a member of the crew.

[Tulas Shorn]

I think right now Morpheus is trying to alt-guess the shit out of Trinity to try and spot her after the reload. So there is a chance the neb crew can try and signal who Neo is after the reload. The problem is Trinity can only really be trusted the day right after reload, after that there's a chance she has become a smith.

[Tulas Shorn]

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 03:48 PM, said:

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well, my initial thought was to have everyone agree something like "If you are Neo place a vote on Omtose" At which point Neo could vote Omtose. Any inno, clearly wouldn't vote Omtose. Neo, as Town, would vote Omtose. That leave Smith and his 2 Lackeys. They might want to vote Omtose to mess us up/muddy the waters... but at that point they are outing themselves as Scum. SO the only ppl on the Omtose train would be Neo and Scum.

It's an obviuos attempt at PIing himself and I just don't buy it.

You may just want to edit that tag to show who you're quoting so people dont have to go back and look for who said it

And Morpheus knows Trinity and Link. After the reload Trinity knows Neo, but Morpheus knows only Link. OP as it currently stands is maybe a little confusing - the mechanics have been editted slightly since the game began. Morpheus didnt know Neo in the first iteration of the mechanics, I assume that's how it still works.

[Ruse]

Tulas Shorn, on 02 February 2010 - 03:58 PM, said:

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 03:48 PM, said:

Quote

well, my initial thought was to have everyone agree something like "If you are Neo place a vote on Omtose" At which point Neo could vote Omtose. Any inno, clearly wouldn't vote Omtose. Neo, as Town, would vote Omtose. That leave Smith and his 2 Lackeys. They might want to vote Omtose to mess us up/muddy the waters... but at that point they are outing themselves as Scum. SO the only ppl on the Omtose train would be Neo and Scum.

It's an obviuos attempt at PIing himself and I just don't buy it.

You may just want to edit that tag to show who you're quoting so people dont have to go back and look for who said it

And Morpheus knows Trinity and Link. After the reload Trinity knows Neo, but Morpheus knows only Link. OP as it currently stands is maybe a little confusing - the mechanics have been editted slightly since the game began. Morpheus didnt know Neo in the first iteration of the mechanics, I assume that's how it still works.

from the opening post.

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Nebuchadnezzar crew
Neo - Special Bulletproof - Trinity's lover after the Reload - Jester after the Reload.
Morpheus - Finder - he knows who his crew are.
Trinity - Copying Bulletproof: hacks an anti-virus into her programming, temporarily stopping Agent Smith from being able to make her into a copy - Neo's lover after the Reload.
Link the Operator - Coroner Finder - receives information about who was killed/lynched and can choose to share this information on thread.

[Tulas Shorn]

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 04:06 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 02 February 2010 - 03:58 PM, said:

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 03:48 PM, said:

Quote

well, my initial thought was to have everyone agree something like "If you are Neo place a vote on Omtose" At which point Neo could vote Omtose. Any inno, clearly wouldn't vote Omtose. Neo, as Town, would vote Omtose. That leave Smith and his 2 Lackeys. They might want to vote Omtose to mess us up/muddy the waters... but at that point they are outing themselves as Scum. SO the only ppl on the Omtose train would be Neo and Scum.

It's an obviuos attempt at PIing himself and I just don't buy it.

You may just want to edit that tag to show who you're quoting so people dont have to go back and look for who said it

And Morpheus knows Trinity and Link. After the reload Trinity knows Neo, but Morpheus knows only Link. OP as it currently stands is maybe a little confusing - the mechanics have been editted slightly since the game began. Morpheus didnt know Neo in the first iteration of the mechanics, I assume that's how it still works.

from the opening post.

Quote

Nebuchadnezzar crew
Neo - Special Bulletproof - Trinity's lover after the Reload - Jester after the Reload.
Morpheus - Finder - he knows who his crew are.
Trinity - Copying Bulletproof: hacks an anti-virus into her programming, temporarily stopping Agent Smith from being able to make her into a copy - Neo's lover after the Reload.
Link the Operator - Coroner Finder - receives information about who was killed/lynched and can choose to share this information on thread.

I saw that. As I said, the first OP stated Morpheus only knew Trinity and Link, so I assume that's who is meant by 'his crew'. Maybe we should just wait for Gem to clarify.

Edit - unless Gem forgot to update them, Morpheus's role PM still only states Link and Trinity's alts. So it's not certain either way way he knows.

This post has been edited by Tulas Shorn: 02 February 2010 - 04:16 PM

[Ruse]

Tulas Shorn, on 02 February 2010 - 04:14 PM, said:

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 04:06 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 02 February 2010 - 03:58 PM, said:

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 03:48 PM, said:

Quote

well, my initial thought was to have everyone agree something like "If you are Neo place a vote on Omtose" At which point Neo could vote Omtose. Any inno, clearly wouldn't vote Omtose. Neo, as Town, would vote Omtose. That leave Smith and his 2 Lackeys. They might want to vote Omtose to mess us up/muddy the waters... but at that point they are outing themselves as Scum. SO the only ppl on the Omtose train would be Neo and Scum.

It's an obviuos attempt at PIing himself and I just don't buy it.

You may just want to edit that tag to show who you're quoting so people dont have to go back and look for who said it

And Morpheus knows Trinity and Link. After the reload Trinity knows Neo, but Morpheus knows only Link. OP as it currently stands is maybe a little confusing - the mechanics have been editted slightly since the game began. Morpheus didnt know Neo in the first iteration of the mechanics, I assume that's how it still works.

from the opening post.

Quote

Nebuchadnezzar crew
Neo - Special Bulletproof - Trinity's lover after the Reload - Jester after the Reload.
Morpheus - Finder - he knows who his crew are.
Trinity - Copying Bulletproof: hacks an anti-virus into her programming, temporarily stopping Agent Smith from being able to make her into a copy - Neo's lover after the Reload.
Link the Operator - Coroner Finder - receives information about who was killed/lynched and can choose to share this information on thread.

I saw that. As I said, the first OP stated Morpheus only knew Trinity and Link, so I assume that's who is meant by 'his crew'. Maybe we should just wait for Gem to clarify.

Edit - unless Gem forgot to update them, Morpheus's role PM still only states Link and Trinity's alts. So it's not certain either way way he knows.

good catch I didn't notice the lack of it in the role Pm's.

[Ampelas]

Unless Gem says otherwise, I would assume that the role PM for Morpheus still stands. Nobody will know Neo (for sure) until after the Reload.

[Omtose]

Wow, I wanted to get the game going, but 4 votes boom boom boom boom? If there aren't scum in those 4 i'll eat my dirty undies...the whites.

Just did a quick skim, i'll go back and read more in depth, but I will say this. For those of you that are voting for me: What possible motivation, as scum, would I have for putting forth that plan. The mod nixed it, I am done with it. Thats fine. But it was really interesting to see how quick that train built. I could see Neo as jumping on, signaling. But I really doubt it. I could also see one or both of the non smith agents jumping on to get a quick lynch. When I have time in the next couple hours I am gonna go back and read up. If I do Get lynched before I come back, Know this... the real Neo isn't going to be on my train. He knows who he is, and he knows I am not him. So if I do get lynched, look to those off the train for who Neo is. I know you can't believe me now, but my CF will be my validation. I have work and I will be able to post before deadline, So i'll have more to say later.

[Olar Ethil]

edit: Crosspost, took forever to type this so I totally missed Omtose showing up.

Morning all. I like some of the recent discussions about Omtose. It's actually fairly convenient that he hasn't made an appearance today, either.

I think Ruse has probably the weakest defense of his vote of everyone here. There's nothing wrong with the original vote. SOMEONE had to get the voting going and Ruse was that person, but his current though is that Omtose is... a partnered agent? That honestly makes no sense.

The rules say Morpheus can't reveal who Neo is, and so it's not like someone can just say, "Oh I'm Morpheus, vote for this random person." But, we have four 'fast' votes on Omtose, and one early 'joke' vote on Ruse. There are no other votes, so I'm very tempted to say that Morpheus has already voted today, because it's in HIS best interest to get Neo on the chopping block ASAP to lynch.

If we look at the votes, we can probably deduce our plan of action.

Osseric votes Ruse early to appease the Potato Overlords. It's the first vote of the game and a clear joke vote, but it's never removed. Possible signal by Osseric (Morph) to vote Neo (Ruse), but it's hard to say. I'd think that Morpheus probably puts more stock in his vote than a joke.

The votes on Omtose go like this:

Ruse (Omtose acting like a Jester, need to start voting)
Barghast (Omtose intentionally playing poorly to get lynched)
D'riss (mostly a train vote, mentions that Omtose's 'equation' removes himself from suspicion)
Tulas (train vote, says Neo is a double jester and Omtose may be signalling himself)

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 02 February 2010 - 04:40 PM

[Ruse]

from looking at the post count we are still missing one player.

[Olar Ethil]

Anyway, my point is that, while Morpheus is a 'finder,' I really think he's expendable.

If Morpheus is smart, he's going to try and get Neo lynched ASAP, but since we've had no other votes and I believe everyone has checked in to the game (and offered more than just a "Hi I'm here bye"), then it's a fairly safe bet that Morpheus is one of: Osseric (Ruse being Neo), or Ruse, Barghast, D'riss, Tulas (Omtose being Neo).

Of course, this is completely bunk if Morpheus does not actually know Neo, since the rules aren't that clear as previously mentioned, so a little clarification would be nice

edit: Guess I missed someone. I'm batting 0 today.

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 02 February 2010 - 04:44 PM

[Ruse]

Olar Ethil, on 02 February 2010 - 04:38 PM, said:

edit: Crosspost, took forever to type this so I totally missed Omtose showing up.

Morning all. I like some of the recent discussions about Omtose. It's actually fairly convenient that he hasn't made an appearance today, either.

I think Ruse has probably the weakest defense of his vote of everyone here. There's nothing wrong with the original vote. SOMEONE had to get the voting going and Ruse was that person, but his current though is that Omtose is... a partnered agent? That honestly makes no sense.

The rules say Morpheus can't reveal who Neo is, and so it's not like someone can just say, "Oh I'm Morpheus, vote for this random person." But, we have four 'fast' votes on Omtose, and one early 'joke' vote on Ruse. There are no other votes, so I'm very tempted to say that Morpheus has already voted today, because it's in HIS best interest to get Neo on the chopping block ASAP to lynch.

If we look at the votes, we can probably deduce our plan of action.

Osseric votes Ruse early to appease the Potato Overlords. It's the first vote of the game and a clear joke vote, but it's never removed. Possible signal by Osseric (Morph) to vote Neo (Ruse), but it's hard to say. I'd think that Morpheus probably puts more stock in his vote than a joke.

The votes on Omtose go like this:

Ruse (Omtose acting like a Jester, need to start voting)
Barghast (Omtose intentionally playing poorly to get lynched)
D'riss (mostly a train vote, mentions that Omtose's 'equation' removes himself from suspicion)
Tulas (train vote, says Neo is a double jester and Omtose may be signalling himself)

What are you missing here? If I was scum trying to make myself look like a bad playing inno, wouldn't that be a great way to hide?

edit: fixed sentence

This post has been edited by Ruse: 02 February 2010 - 04:46 PM

[Ampelas]

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 04:41 PM, said:

from looking at the post count we are still missing one player.

Mockra. Up for a modkill probably.

[Omtose]

Also I'll say this

I don't want to be lynched.

It doesn't hurt us if I am, but it certainly doesn't help us. If you vote me, vote me because you think I am an Agent.


The Majority of the votes against me are people thinking I am trying to make a splash, I was, but not in the "get votes" kind of way. The last 4-5 games have been insanely slow early on and frankly, rather boring. I wanted to throw some gas on the fire and honestly, I didn't think it was that foolish. But that seems contrary to popular opinion, so... meh. At any rate. If your vote is on me because you think I am Neo, please remove it. If your vote is on me because you think I am an Agent, so be it. But think about it... why would an agent put forth that plan, why would an agent provoke Serc, why would an agent throw a hissy fit and stick his neck out there.

IMO Neo hasn't really posted to much yet or we might have seen more opposition to my being lynched. Also, look who has come to defend me.....no one. Lets start putting 2 and 2 together here.

[Olar Ethil]

Ruse, if you WERE scum, it would be a Mafia failure. How many 'bad playing innos' get lynched routinely in Malazan Mafia? And in a game where an inno is actively trying to die, you would be sounding your own death knell.