[Serc]

Also, I think that comes under "Not so subtle hints on who he is".

Tbh, i'm not even sure why you bothered posting that, since it's quite obviously never going to be allowed, since it's certainly against the spirit of the rules if not against the exact wording...

[Omtose]

Sorry for wasting your time Serc. I now await your wonderful contribution to the game....i'm so excited!!!

[Omtose]

I also didn't see the "Spirit of the rules" Section. I'll go back and look that up. brb

[Serc]

Sorry for correcting you if you thought that the way you were meant to win the game was by finding loopholes in the rules...

[Omtose]

Serc, on 01 February 2010 - 11:14 PM, said:

Omtose, on 01 February 2010 - 11:11 PM, said:

I don't see that as a violation of the rules at all... Scum can come on and vote, an inno could come on and vote... ( I don't see why they ever would) He is in no way revealing. He's placing a vote. I guess it's a question for PS. Clearly, that plan is bunk if it's considered a reveal.

Of course it will be considered a reveal. Because otherwise it breaks the game. And he is revealing, because he's doing an action that we are considering a reveal that he is neo.

And how would it break the game.. it's not like the scum don't have options? It's the inno's putting the scum on the defensive. It's basically forcing the scum to out one of their members in order to get to night, and get their 2 kills. It's the inno's taking control of the game. But like I said, if PS says its a no-go, its a non issue and i'll drop it. I find it odd that both of you would be so quick to dismiss it w/o any type of mod clarification. w/e. I'll just shut up and watch us lynch an inno. i'm out.

[Serc]

Omtose, on 01 February 2010 - 11:27 PM, said:

Sorry for wasting your time Serc. I now await your wonderful contribution to the game....i'm so excited!!!

Yeah yeah, what a great defence "Look, i'm contributing, are you?!!!"

Your contribution is simply speculating on ways to get around the rules, and looks like you posted it simply to look like you're contributing, since it is so obivously something that wouldn't be allowed...

[Path-Shaper]

I think it's time to point out that any attempts to circumvent the rule of no neo reveal will end badly.

[Serc]

Omtose, on 01 February 2010 - 11:33 PM, said:

Serc, on 01 February 2010 - 11:14 PM, said:

Omtose, on 01 February 2010 - 11:11 PM, said:

I don't see that as a violation of the rules at all... Scum can come on and vote, an inno could come on and vote... ( I don't see why they ever would) He is in no way revealing. He's placing a vote. I guess it's a question for PS. Clearly, that plan is bunk if it's considered a reveal.

Of course it will be considered a reveal. Because otherwise it breaks the game. And he is revealing, because he's doing an action that we are considering a reveal that he is neo.

And how would it break the game.. it's not like the scum don't have options? It's the inno's putting the scum on the defensive. It's basically forcing the scum to out one of their members in order to get to night, and get their 2 kills. It's the inno's taking control of the game. But like I said, if PS says its a no-go, its a non issue and i'll drop it. I find it odd that both of you would be so quick to dismiss it w/o any type of mod clarification. w/e. I'll just shut up and watch us lynch an inno. i'm out.

It would break the game because it reveals neo. Neo dies soon after, and as you point out, we go to an early reload, with many town.

If he is allowed to reveal as you suggest, he can do so again immediately after the reload, at which point we lynch him and win. The scum don't have the numbers to muddy the waters enough for them to win, they can't slow down us lynching neo enough for them to kill everyone they need.

It is the innos taking control of the game to the extent where they cannot lose...

[Serc]

Path-Shaper, on 01 February 2010 - 11:36 PM, said:

I think it's time to point out that any attempts to circumvent the rule of no neo reveal will end badly.

Told you so

[Serc]

Omtose, on 01 February 2010 - 11:33 PM, said:

I find it odd that both of you would be so quick to dismiss it w/o any type of mod clarification.

Common sense.

[Olar Ethil]

Omtose, on 01 February 2010 - 11:33 PM, said:

And how would it break the game.. it's not like the scum don't have options? It's the inno's putting the scum on the defensive. It's basically forcing the scum to out one of their members in order to get to night, and get their 2 kills. It's the inno's taking control of the game. But like I said, if PS says its a no-go, its a non issue and i'll drop it. I find it odd that both of you would be so quick to dismiss it w/o any type of mod clarification. w/e. I'll just shut up and watch us lynch an inno. i'm out.

Awesome, it's not even halfway through Day 1 and we already have our first temper tantrum. Seriously, Omtose, get a grip. Why do you think I copypasta'd the rules that included the "Subtle Hints" addendum (which, by the way, wasn't there when the rules were first posted)? I can't construe a possible scenario in which you would think that asking someone to "Vote for this guy only if you're Neo" is not asking for Neo to "reveal himself by voting."

You're trying to break the game by working in a gray area of the rules.

It's like saying, "Hey, I think this guy is Neo but I can't tell you why," on Day 1 if you are Morpheus. It is VERY CLEARLY HINTED that you may know who Neo is for some reason, even though you are not coming out and saying it.

[Osseric]

The no reveals thing is a pretty hard one to police - I think in the end it just comes down to whether or not Neo is willing to play by the rules. I know from experience that once a gamebreaking method of transferring information is out there (like in Obdii's Dresden Game with the RI role quoting stuff) it's bloody difficult to avoid using it in your arguments.

[Ruse]

It's like Omtose is play as a jester,but there is no jester at this point in the game.

I'm just going to vote for him at this point.

vote Omtose

We need to get this party started some how.

[Barghast]

Omtose, on 01 February 2010 - 11:33 PM, said:

Serc, on 01 February 2010 - 11:14 PM, said:

Omtose, on 01 February 2010 - 11:11 PM, said:

I don't see that as a violation of the rules at all... Scum can come on and vote, an inno could come on and vote... ( I don't see why they ever would) He is in no way revealing. He's placing a vote. I guess it's a question for PS. Clearly, that plan is bunk if it's considered a reveal.

Of course it will be considered a reveal. Because otherwise it breaks the game. And he is revealing, because he's doing an action that we are considering a reveal that he is neo.

And how would it break the game.. it's not like the scum don't have options? It's the inno's putting the scum on the defensive. It's basically forcing the scum to out one of their members in order to get to night, and get their 2 kills. It's the inno's taking control of the game. But like I said, if PS says its a no-go, its a non issue and i'll drop it. I find it odd that both of you would be so quick to dismiss it w/o any type of mod clarification. w/e. I'll just shut up and watch us lynch an inno. i'm out.

hey everyone, sorpry for the one post and dash, had to go to work, and it was a hectic bitch today.

anyhow, this, and previous posts by Omtose focused on finding Neo suggest to me that he is either
a) Neo, trying to "sort-of-subtly-but-not-really" let us know who he is
or
b ) Scum, trying to get us to either run incircles or out Neo, so that they can avoid him.

in either option, voting him off is good tactics.

vote Omtose

[D'riss]

Meh, I thought all Neo'd have to do was vote night but that would be in the "hint hint" portion of the rules.

Vote Omtose

Because his 'vote for omtose' equation immediately removes him from the situation as being neither neo, and it makes him look not scum.

[Tulas Shorn]

D, on 02 February 2010 - 04:33 AM, said:

Meh, I thought all Neo'd have to do was vote night but that would be in the "hint hint" portion of the rules.

Vote Omtose

Because his 'vote for omtose' equation immediately removes him from the situation as being neither neo, and it makes him look not scum.

I dont get this. You're voting for him because it looks like he's not Neo or scum? I assume you've had some sort of explanation failure.

I disagree with whoever said Neo isn't a Jester yet. He's a jester now, he's just a jester that needs to be hit twice. I think Gem is going to be very strict on the hinting part of the rules, else it's way too easy to break the game. Which leaves Neo with only one option really - either to make himself a really attractive target at night or forcing us to vote for him for reasons completely unrelated to him being Neo. Like being a bit of an ass and trying to break the game. Wait a second...

vote Omtose

[D'riss]

Yes, explanation fail.

He could be Neo, or hiding scum is what I means.

[Olar Ethil]

I am loathe to vote for Omtose on the basis of his lousy argument. It was bad, and then he belabored the point, which was worse, but all I feel is that he's stubborn and silly. Why would scum do something so blatantly foolish at the onset of the game?

Of course, we've had a pretty good sized train build up on him, along with the very well spoken argument by Barghast that Omtose is being blatantly foolish for the sole purpose of being lynched. It would be brilliant strategy if it were true.

It's late and there's plenty of time yet, so no vote from me for now. Good night.

[Osseric]

Ruse, on 02 February 2010 - 12:54 AM, said:

It's like Omtose is play as a jester,but there is no jester at this point in the game.

I'm just going to vote for him at this point.

vote Omtose

We need to get this party started some how.

Now I wonder, is this Neo sneakily following Omtose's original suggestion? You could make an argument for it not being a 'subtle hint', but rather a behavioural choice, since the suggestion had already been dismissed. That's how I'd be inclined to see it were I modding, anyway.

I can also see the merits of voting Omtose, but four votes in four consecutive posts gives me pause. We don't need a speed lynch just yet. In any case, I think it's a good idea to see how he defends himself before coming to a decision - if all he offers is a limp defence, then it's a good bet that he's the N-man trying to get himself lynched, but if he's very pro-active, it might be a sign that he's not.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 11 hours and 7 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Serc, Tulas Shorn

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Omtose ( Ruse, Barghast, D'riss, Tulas Shorn )
1 Vote for Ruse ( Osseric )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Serc