[masan's saddle]

RodeoRanch, on 28 March 2010 - 07:40 PM, said:

The season finale was awful.

Thanks Rodeo !

I think the season finale is on Sky tonight in the UK, I will watch it as I have persevered and slaved my way through this show. It has been hard going as nothing much seems to happen and there is nowhere near enough mayhem. I will also agree with the comments above about the overly abundant teen angst and emo lip quivering, very irritating. I think the show's problem may lie in the grey areas between it being set in the BSG "universe" and the viewer expectation that comes with that. It tries to be different(and needs to be) from BSG but in doing so has nothing of the character or intrigue ( or lets face it, big fucking explosions and acting chops) of the former. I'd like to think they have a plan with this show that involves interesting plot developments with more action and less shoe gazing. It may happen but they had better hurry up as i'm getting bored.

On a related issue, Fastforward started again on 5 in the UK and already the plot has speeded up and gotten interesting again, first 3 episodes of the "new" season have been good.

[RodeoRanch]

I'm a fan of the BSG universe and I enjoy the glimpses "Caprica" provides into the backstory and history of BSG.

But it's glacially slow. And oh-so dramatic.

And the Zoe/Cylon character irritates the hell out of me. Who knew the "first" Cylon was a whiny bitch with delusions of grandeur?

[masan's saddle]

Well I watched it and it was not total cack. Nice ending leaving Stoltz with 3 possible disasters to fuck his day up, but overall still a little bit meh.

What is it with "mid-season breaks" ? I mean come on production people, grow some balls and have some faith in what your putting out instead of "...lets analyse the viewing figures half way through before we decide to continue with this potential turkey."

[flea]

Just saw the first episode of season 1.5 -- I am definitely back into it. Thoughts?

[McLovin]

We've got 2 eps DVR'd and Mrs McLovin says she "is not ready to watch them."

I wants my Caprica!!!!!

[RodeoRanch]

How's the new season? I haven't gotten into it yet. I'm pondering whether I should bother to.

Inform me!

[McLovin]

Well, I finally watched the first ep of Season 1.5 (reeeeeally fncking annoys me, these .0/.5 splits).

I thought it was quite good overall. Interesting idea of spreading a religion by commercializing immortality - the ultimate commodification of an intangible. Previously I have not liked the Lacy Rand storyline, but it seems now they're making her a little badass so I'm digging it. Not a huge fan of Vergis either, but I guess he's necessary to keep Adama and Graystone working together. That's a tad lazy writing IMO, but whatever.

Still very on board with this series. I just hope Syfy gives it enough room to grow, and then develop to a satisfying conclusion.

[McLovin]

Followed up with ep 2 of Season 1.5, and - hmmm....they appear to be BSG Season 3-ing us, by which I mean they're flashing back to events that occurred in the between the 1.0 finale and the 1.5 premiere. That is a tad confusing, especially as they are not indicating that's what they're doing. Kinda muddled direction.

Turns out Lacy is not becoming badass, she's still just annoying. Amanda is getting annoying too.

Also, I am starting to feel the near-total absence of Zoe keenly. They need to get the story back onto her, and the sooner the better.

[QuickTidal]

I actually enjoyed the cliffhangery-ness of the 1.0 finale back in March, and I think I have liked the show since the second episode really. Hell, "Gravedancing" (episode 4 I think?) really impressed the hell out of me, as did "There Is Another Sky" where Tamara shows up and begins to realize she has power in V-World as she can't die.

MINOR SPOILERS below...

I have watched the first two epsiodes of 1.5 so far and I love where it is going actually. The first ep of 1.5 had all that fun stuff going on in those ancient looking monasteries on the cliff by the ocean on Gemenon and Eric Stolz himself directed it...with quite a deft hand. Lacey & Clarice's (and by extension Barnabus [James Marsters]) plotlines are kind of meant to be slow....by their very nature actually. I mean, we all know the Cylon's of the future are devout believers in One True God, so their storyline is going to be a slow build towards the two plotlines melding. I don't mind it, and I don't hate Lacey....on the other hand I LIKE Lacey....I just think she needs to grow some balls...and she will, give her time. Clarice does kind of annoy me...but to be honest I feel it is the actress I don't like.

I find myself, more often than not, siding with the Graystone's surprisingly enough....the Adama's, particularly Joseph come across as petty and childish. That's aside from Tamara, who I kind of think is going to become super badass in the future. William is an absolute WIMP and has no personality at all...how he grows up to be Admiral Adama the hero is effing beyond me at this point. Sam is at least interesting, but he kind of perpetuates the hired thug/goon mentality and needs to break that shell to become more interesting. what these writers know how to do is drive their protagonists to make decisions that are tough. I love that.

...and I LOVE Zoe Graystone. Love her. Alessandra Torresani plays her perfectly IMHO. I don't even see her as evil (as I am sure we are meant to). I see her more as confused, angsty and ultimately betrayed at every intersection (ie. Her Father cares about her but is SO driven to accomplish saving his company that he will do anything to have her respond that she's in the Cylon body and justify his work, Lacey doesn't do enough to help Zoe accomplish getting out of the lab and offworld because she is too scared of the new company she keeps [ie. Soldier Of The One], Her mother brands her a terrorist publicly even though she didn't bomb the MagLev, and finally Philomen, in an act that I can't even understand given his admiration of the Cylon, betrays her by hitting a security breach [and I'm glad the little shit is dead now]). So the girl has every right to be pissed IMNSHO, and when she shows back up in the first ep of 1.5 "Unvanquished" I was cheering....especially because she realizes her status as another "deadwalker" in V-World who cant die...not to mention her Neo-esque anomaly-style powers being able to manipulate that thug at the end.....oh, and the samurai sword? SEXXXXY!

It will be nice to see where they take this show. They've made a decent beginning, that is ultimately very watchable, but I think we'll see much more interesting things happen later on in the series. I want to see what happens when the first production line Cylons roll off the line and what happens when Zoe gets her little controlling fingers on them.

Probably one of the shows I most look forward to each week.

As for this new show they are talking about doing BATTLESTAR: BLOOD & CHROME which will take place during the First Cylon War and shows Adama as a young Viper pilot.....we SAW this in those webisodes and Razor and it wasn't ALL that interesting. I don';t know what they are thinking. CAPRICA is interesting because it is a family dynasty drama that tells us a very unknown story of the beginnings of the Cylons....while BLOOD & CHROME would only stand to tell us a story that is far too close to the time of the BSG series...and it's something we saw a lot of already in the Second Cylon War of the TV series. what new things could they reveal? Come on SyFy, get your head out of your ass, BLOOD & CHROME will be redundant and won't fly, watch.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 24 October 2010 - 05:41 PM

[McLovin]

QuickTidal, on 24 October 2010 - 05:29 PM, said:

...and I LOVE Zoe Graystone. Love her. Alessandra Torresani plays her perfectly IMHO. I don't even see her as evil (as I am sure we are meant to).

I don't think the viewer is meant to see her that way at all. I agree with your characterization and I'm sure most viewers would too.

QuickTidal, on 24 October 2010 - 05:29 PM, said:

As for this new show they are talking about doing BATTLESTAR: BLOOD & CHROME which will take place during the First Cylon War and shows Adama as a young Viper pilot.....

Wasn't the First Cylon War bits of RAZOR supposed to represent Billy Adama's first and only combat mission in the war? So yeah, they are gonna be retconning hard. Not enthused, but I will check it out.

[McLovin]

OK, now I am finally caught up. And now I am getting worried.

I wanted more Zoe, but...Pink Zoe vision? WTF?

Good to see Zoe and Tamara finally hook up, but the whole torture/fight scene was gratuitous and too long. Not to mention pointless and stupid.

The dispatching of Vergis was also kinda dumb and just shows lazy writing again. He was just a plot tool, nothing more. Would a man like that really have just rolled over and died like that? Now that the writers don't need him, I guess so. Lame.

Moore & Eick need to get this ship righted, fast.

[Abyss]

SyFy just greenlit a new spin-off 'BSG: Blood & Chrome'. Adventures of young Adama as a pilot on the BSG during the first Cylon War. Google for deets.

Syfy going out of its way to say this is not intended to replace 'Caprica', but who are we kidding? A successful roll out of a serious sf action show set on the BSG will likely terminate most remaining support for Caprica.

[QuickTidal]

They fucking canceled it! Goddamn fucking SyFy! Not only are they not giving it a second season, but the remaining final five (odd coincidence or what?) episodes won't even air now till next year as they are being pulled form SyFy's sched as of next week.

SyFy really needs to pull their head out of their ass and realize that a show like that needed time to get going.

Ugh, this is just like Dollhouse last year....except in that at least they got to finale it....now with this we will be left with whatever cliffhanger they shot for the last one of this season.

Gods damn it!

[RodeoRanch]

That solves my conundrum. So long "Caprica."

[wolf_2099]

QuickTidal, on 28 October 2010 - 12:31 AM, said:

They fucking canceled it! Goddamn fucking SyFy! Not only are they not giving it a second season, but the remaining final five (odd coincidence or what?) episodes won't even air now till next year as they are being pulled form SyFy's sched as of next week.

SyFy really needs to pull their head out of their ass and realize that a show like that needed time to get going.

Ugh, this is just like Dollhouse last year....except in that at least they got to finale it....now with this we will be left with whatever cliffhanger they shot for the last one of this season.

Gods damn it!

The problem is the cost of this show would be costly, possibly their most expensive currently. They also would have been gambling on the BSG audience carrying over (thereby eliminating the need to get going), to justify the cost. That just did not happen. The current ratings are under 1 million by quite a bit.

This post has been edited by wolf_2099: 28 October 2010 - 01:14 AM

[QuickTidal]

My argument would be the same as for Dollhouse...the Neilsen ratings system is effing antiquated and the networks refuse to take in PVR'ed and TeVO'd episode ratings....which is how a LOT of us watch TV these days as we aren't home when the show actually AIRS...so unless you are sitting in front of your idiot box watching the thing as it airs then apparenlty, you don't count.

Imagine the ratings if they actually pull their head outta their sphincters and counted those....I mean hell, my gf and I record shows on the PVR just to watch even an hour later so we can skip through commercials.

I read a study after Dollhouse that said it's PVR and TEVO numbers put it WAY over the needed amount...but the fat cat suits claimed it wasn't accurate cause it doesn't fit into the "Neilsen ratings system" which was designed DECADES ago. It's a poor state of network television when they decide to pull something not knowing the TRUE numbers cause no one wants to update the ratings system. I don't even want to bring it up, but you kind of also ought to take into account the people who download these shows VIA torrents....they may not watch it on TV, but they are still fans.

SyFy can go F*** themselves for all I care.

[wolf_2099]

QuickTidal, on 28 October 2010 - 01:24 AM, said:

My argument would be the same as for Dollhouse...the Neilsen ratings system is effing antiquated and the networks refuse to take in PVR'ed and TeVO'd episode ratings....which is how a LOT of us watch TV these days as we aren't home when the show actually AIRS...so unless you are sitting in front of your idiot box watching the thing as it airs then apparenlty, you don't count.

Imagine the ratings if they actually pull their head outta their sphincters and counted those....I mean hell, my gf and I record shows on the PVR just to watch even an hour later so we can skip through commercials.

I read a study after Dollhouse that said it's PVR and TEVO numbers put it WAY over the needed amount...but the fat cat suits claimed it wasn't accurate cause it doesn't fit into the "Neilsen ratings system" which was designed DECADES ago. It's a poor state of network television when they decide to pull something not knowing the TRUE numbers cause no one wants to update the ratings system. I don't even want to bring it up, but you kind of also ought to take into account the people who download these shows VIA torrents....they may not watch it on TV, but they are still fans.

SyFy can go F*** themselves for all I care.

I understand the argument, and agree, but the bigger picture here is that the networks system is way outdated as it is, even with the neilson rating system.

[McLovin]

Well, shit.

They're not even going to air the finished eps till early next year.

I'm disappointed, but I'm not really surprised.

RIP Caprica.

[Abyss]

link fu http://blog.zap2it.c...ax-at-syfy.html

Not to dis anyone's taste, but from the eps i saw, the show was big on inter-personal drama, family drama, political drama and techno-existential whatever drama, and severely lean on dudes with lasers fighting CGI robots.

As a gross generalization, SF shows without a healthy dose of the kicky zappy have little hope. SF shows trying to pick up the audience from predecessor shows that had a healthy, at times insane, level of zap-wow, have even less hope.

BSG had its flaws, but you could rely on a solid round of vipers vs raiders about every other ep or so.... at the very least Starbuck would punch someone's face into a red pulp (extra points if it was Apollo or a cylon!) and who wouldn't tune in to see that? Hell most of the Trek shows followed a pattern of thinky show then action show then back again.

Caprica was trying too hard to be the thinking BSG fan's show and not hard enough to be a BSG fan's show with a bonus for the thinking fans. I like a show that stretches the thinkymeatz, but sooner or later i want a smoke monster or evil shapeshifters or robots ripping off limbs and clubbing people to death with them, or something. BLOOD & CHROME is already starting strong by being set during a war.

- Abyss, violent.... in a thoughtful way.

[McLovin]

I hope, at least, that they'll give us a "Serenity" style movie that allows for some wrap-up of the story. A big-screen release is too much to ask for, but a 2-hour TV movie would be OK. Another clever idea would be to embed a partial Caprica finale into the pilot for Blood & Chrome as a prologue or flashback. Even that's probably too much to ask for.

I knew when I saw Pink Zoe, the show was toast.