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Posted 29 December 2014 - 12:09 PM

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Knowing the Laundry I bet he gets to issue more sternly worded memos. Have you read Equoid? read Equoid. It blew my mind.


Just finished it. Great read.

I've always enjoyed short stories connected to a bigger series. It allows the author to tell a shorter story that can ignore the more central elements of the series in exchange for more focused action.

I'd love to read an interview about Stross opinion of Lovecraft. He seems to take some big swings at the guys writing in this story. All though maybe that's just Bob's opinion we're getting.
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Posted 29 December 2014 - 05:31 PM

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View PostAndorion, on 27 December 2014 - 01:22 AM, said:

Knowing the Laundry I bet he gets to issue more sternly worded memos. Have you read Equoid? read Equoid. It blew my mind.


Just finished it. Great read.

I've always enjoyed short stories connected to a bigger series. It allows the author to tell a shorter story that can ignore the more central elements of the series in exchange for more focused action.

I'd love to read an interview about Stross opinion of Lovecraft. He seems to take some big swings at the guys writing in this story. All though maybe that's just Bob's opinion we're getting.


Frankly I think the wry tone is of the books is very necessary. We have had and continue to have (thanks to an infinite fountain called Stephen King) lots and lots of horror. Now its my opinion that you can only read so much straight horror before you start yawning. A tongue-in-cheek approach is refreshing, like a well-places dash of lemon juice
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Posted 13 January 2015 - 04:44 AM

Blurb For next book on io9....

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The Annihilation Score by Charles Stross (July)

Stross' latest book in his Laundry Files series takes another huge left turn and becomes about superheroes in a Lovecraftian universe. Because he already tackled vampires.






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Posted 13 January 2015 - 05:38 PM

View PostAbyss, on 13 January 2015 - 04:44 AM, said:

Blurb For next book on io9....

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The Annihilation Score by Charles Stross (July)

Stross' latest book in his Laundry Files series takes another huge left turn and becomes about superheroes in a Lovecraftian universe. Because he already tackled vampires.






I'm in.









This seems to be a more complete blurb:

http://www.fantastic...ation-score.htm

Very very interesting:

1. What is Bob upto? Why can't Mo rely on him? What has his 'promotion' done to him?
2. The evil violin now has a name and it is Lecter.....
3. Normal people developing superpowers....seems the long foreshadowed CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN is finally here....

Can't wait for this book now......
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Posted 14 January 2015 - 05:56 PM

View PostAndorion, on 13 January 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 13 January 2015 - 04:44 AM, said:

Blurb For next book on io9....

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The Annihilation Score by Charles Stross (July)

Stross' latest book in his Laundry Files series takes another huge left turn and becomes about superheroes in a Lovecraftian universe. Because he already tackled vampires.






I'm in.









This seems to be a more complete blurb:

http://www.fantastic...ation-score.htm

Very very interesting:


et voila...


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PLAYING WITH DANGER Dr. Mo O'Brien is an intelligence agent at the top secret government agency known as 'the Laundry'. When occult powers threaten the realm, they'll be there to clean up the mess - and deal with the witnesses. But the Laundry is recovering from a devastating attack and when average citizens all over the country start to develop supernatural powers, the police are called in to help. Mo is appointed as official police liaison, but in between dealing with police bureaucracy, superpowered members of the public and disgruntled politicians, Mo discovers to her horror that she can no longer rely on her marriage, nor on the weapon that has been at her side for eight years of undercover work, the possessed violin known as 'Lecter'. Also, a mysterious figure known as Dr Freudstein has started sending threatening messages to the police, but who is he and what is he planning?


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1. What is Bob upto? Why can't Mo rely on him? What has his 'promotion' done to him?


More excitedly, this books seems to be from Mo's perspective, which is all kinds of cool.

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2. The evil violin now has a name and it is Lecter.....


Perfect!

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3. Normal people developing superpowers....seems the long foreshadowed CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN is finally here....

Can't wait for this book now......


I thought it was established that it's already here, just not the way everyone originally expected.
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Posted 13 April 2015 - 11:03 PM

Unbelivable cant belive Stross has got round to another Laundry Files novel so soon my favorites of all his series although i cant recommend the one off novel Accelerando highly enough
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Posted 10 July 2015 - 12:59 PM

Right here is my take on Annihilation Score:

Needless to say Spoilers are everywhere! So all hardcore readers beware (This means you Abyss)

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Annihilation Score (AS) is Stross taking on the superhero trope. He has already taken on vampires, unicorns and a host of spy novel tropes (007, Modesty Blaise) and killed it everytime. So This was very interesting:

The unique feature about this book is the PoV shifts from Bob to Mo.This is a series first and allows Stross to introduce a fresh new perspective and voice in his storytelling. Also it goes a long way in satisfying all the reader curiousity about Mo and her bloodthirsty violin.

The book actually starts off abit earlier than the ending of The Rhesus Chart and we see MO's perspective of the enidng wher she freaks out, gets controlled by her Violin and almost kills Bob. The only thing that saves Bob is his newfound Eater of Souls power. Bob concludes he has to move out to be safe from the Violin.

Mo then gets called in to deal with a major new problem. As a side effect of CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN people are developing Superpowers. This is causing massive disruption and Mo gets drafted to be the Director of a team of superheros who are part of the police and will function as rolemodels.

This is the basic setup.

There are essentially three strands of narrative interowoven here. Firstly Mo is having major problems in her marriage with Bob, and this is a source of ongoing stress. This is entangled with the problem posed by Officer Friendly.

The second strand is the creation adn administration of the superhero team. This is a difficult and somewhat longwinded thread as it often has to deal with adminstrative minutae.

The third strand is Mo's struggle with her demonic Violin Lecter who is steadily growing in power and trying to assert control.

As an installment of the Laundry series AS is very different. Firstly most of the action and interaction are outside the Laundry. In fact the only way the Laundry gets directly involved is through Mo's session with the Senior Auditor.

Secondly Mo's PoV is fascinating. She has a more sober and sad take on affairs. The damage done by bearing and using Lecter is clearly evident. Her pain at slowly losing Bob, her fears about her own inadequacy make for fascinating reading. Also Stross became more explicit sexually in this book than ever before in the Laundry. This maybe a feature of the Mo PoV.

There are certain problems with the book. The evolution of the superhero team takes time and there are repeated sections about how things are moving slowly. This can seem boring but in the context of the series, this may actually be Stross returning to the roots of the first book.Initially the charm of the Laundry was the absurdity of the bureaucracy while fighting cosmic horror. This was sacrificed in the more action oriented last two books. Stross may be rolling things back here.

The climax of the book was a bit unsatisfying. The Big Bad being essentially nothing more than a bureaucratic coup was anticlimactic but the consequences were totally disproportionate to th enature of the threat and this served once again to show the ease of destruction cosmic horrors can cause.

There are certain threads left to trail. The superhero epidemic is by no means ended, and will in fact continue as part of CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN. The K-Syndrome issue remains unaddressed. Mo may become an Auditor. Also has she actually gained a superpower? and obviously Bob and the fate of there mariage.
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Posted 11 July 2015 - 07:09 PM

Stross did something bold with this book and it's not simply the perspective switch. He made Mo a genuinely not-good person who does good things. That ups the technical degree of difficulty and makes the story more complex (and therefore more enjoyable to me). I liked The Annihilation Score quite a bit and it is because Stross took those risks.

The couple teeth-grit moments in this book came about as a result of Stross's bureaucracy stuff and how he had Mo interact with it. I don't quite buy how well Mo took to being a manager/boss after 8 years of field work, music, and mathematics. She hasn't been brought along like Bob has in terms of knowing the org charts, how to get around, and more.

I also came out of this book wondering at Bob's non-improving choices in partners (Mhari, Ramona, Mo).

I also wonder at how many Big Bads there are in this universe since this particular one encountered in the book looks really big and bad.

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Posted 12 July 2015 - 02:41 AM

View Postamphibian, on 11 July 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Stross did something bold with this book and it's not simply the perspective switch. He made Mo a genuinely not-good person who does good things. That ups the technical degree of difficulty and makes the story more complex (and therefore more enjoyable to me). I liked The Annihilation Score quite a bit and it is because Stross took those risks.

The couple teeth-grit moments in this book came about as a result of Stross's bureaucracy stuff and how he had Mo interact with it. I don't quite buy how well Mo took to being a manager/boss after 8 years of field work, music, and mathematics. She hasn't been brought along like Bob has in terms of knowing the org charts, how to get around, and more.

I also came out of this book wondering at Bob's non-improving choices in partners (Mhari, Ramona, Mo).

I also wonder at how many Big Bads there are in this universe since this particular one encountered in the book looks really big and bad.


I have been wondering about Mo. In the first two or so books she doesn't really seem like the way she is portrayed here. The bitterness we see could be a long term more subtle effect of the Violin. After all the SA carried the Violin for a shorter time and he isn't exactly Mr Nice.

What was rather painful to read was that while Bob puts Mo on a pedestal, Mo tends to look down on him. This is especially painful if one remembers the number of times Mo has collapsed into Bob's arms after a particularly bad assignment.

As for partner choice, I think Mhari can safely be put under "youthful indiscretion" Ramona was never really a romantic choice. It was a combination o fthe Glamour, the entanglement field and the meta-exigency of a 007 storyline which they had to fight through.

Mo - is more difficult because as I said before she was entirely different at the beginning when Bob fell for her.

What I am worried about is the K syndrome situation. If Mo has a superpower she may be affected. I want Bobs take on all of this, especially now that he is the Eater of Souls.
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Posted 23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM

JUST FINISHED.

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I liked this book, i didn't love it. There were parts i did love, and it was a solid entry in the Laundry series.

Mo worked nicely as a narrator, and i have to give Stross props for managing to write a female lead's perspective with a believably feminine 'voice' and personality, not simply a man with breasts.

I found the whole 'people have superpowers now!' thing went down way too easily. I didn't buy the public or gov reaction and it was a bit offputting.
I also found that the bureaucratic garbage of Mo setting up the team took up way too much of the book. I accept that this is a well established part of the series, but it lacked the humour and eye-rolling that Bob has generated in the past, and seemed instead written to annoy/exasperate the reader. I caught myself skimming these bits frequently.

I did love the idea of Ramona and Mharie being Mo's Number One and Two. It was a nice build within the series, and gave both of those characters some great development.

Also loved the insight into the Auditors, and specifically Mo's interaction with the SA, which was a highpoint of the book.

The action scenes were for the most part meh, except for the finale. I really disliked that the whole thing was (yet another) internal plot to seize/subvert/control power by a shadowy internal gov conspiracy. We've seen that befo9re, didn't need more of it. The actual concept of the Police Association's plot made sense, but failed to wow me because, well, we've seen it before, in this series. The sole exception was Mo waking up to Bob feedering-out, which was suitably creepy and added a whole other fucked aspect to their relationship.

Also, subsonic orbital transport powered by the necromatically enslaved souls of murdered dolphins was one of the most gloriously fucked up ideads i've read in ages.

I liked Lecter, as the culmination of Mo's interaction with the White Violin for the past few books. That element of the story was solid and solidly written... it was just a wee bit too conveeeeeeenienet that the gov plot led directly to Lecter getting his shot to summon the King in Yellow. The nod to True Detective was cute... i wonder whether Stross always planned that, or added it.

The finale also had, if i'm not mistaken, the biggest body count of anything we've seen in the series thus far (two thousand concertgoers), and that seemed glossed over in the epilogue.

I wish more time had been spent on the actual super-team. They were barely in the book, and while i recognize the reasons for it, it seemed like something more interesting than org charts and committee meetings was always going on just off stage.

The finale... Mo reviewing her life, getting her shit together, confronting Lecter and not quite saving the day... was good fun, but pales in comparison to her standing on top of a firetruck blasting zombies with Wagner two books again.

I'm satisfied, all told. Didn't rock my world, but worth the money.

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...There are certain problems with the book. The evolution of the superhero team takes time and there are repeated sections about how things are moving slowly. This can seem boring but in the context of the series, this may actually be Stross returning to the roots of the first book.Initially the charm of the Laundry was the absurdity of the bureaucracy while fighting cosmic horror. This was sacrificed in the more action oriented last two books. Stross may be rolling things back here.

The climax of the book was a bit unsatisfying. The Big Bad being essentially nothing more than a bureaucratic coup was anticlimactic but the consequences were totally disproportionate to th enature of the threat and this served once again to show the ease of destruction cosmic horrors can cause.

There are certain threads left to trail. The superhero epidemic is by no means ended, and will in fact continue as part of CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN. The K-Syndrome issue remains unaddressed. Mo may become an Auditor. Also has she actually gained a superpower? and obviously Bob and the fate of there mariage.



View Postamphibian, on 11 July 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Stross did something bold with this book and it's not simply the perspective switch. He made Mo a genuinely not-good person who does good things. That ups the technical degree of difficulty and makes the story more complex (and therefore more enjoyable to me). I liked The Annihilation Score quite a bit and it is because Stross took those risks.

The couple teeth-grit moments in this book came about as a result of Stross's bureaucracy stuff and how he had Mo interact with it. I don't quite buy how well Mo took to being a manager/boss after 8 years of field work, music, and mathematics. She hasn't been brought along like Bob has in terms of knowing the org charts, how to get around, and more.

I also came out of this book wondering at Bob's non-improving choices in partners (Mhari, Ramona, Mo).

I also wonder at how many Big Bads there are in this universe since this particular one encountered in the book looks really big and bad.


Funny how none of us particularly loved the bureaucracy element, even if its a fixture of these series.

As for the Big Bad, the point has been made more than one in the series that there are LOTS... the Sleeper, the Cthonic race, the Frost Giant... the King in Yellow is just another in a long line of Olde Evile From Beyonde that make the point about how fucked humanity truly is very very clear.

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What I am worried about is the K syndrome situation. If Mo has a superpower she may be affected. I want Bobs take on all of this, especially now that he is the Eater of Souls.


Mo makes the point that as an experienced practitioner and senior agent she's warded, trained and screened against it.

I rather liked how K-syndrome was built in as a complete answer to the superpowers problem. Left to themselves, they all die eventually.
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Posted 23 July 2015 - 09:22 PM

There's no real preventative measures to K-syndrome as it's been presented thus far in the books.

The work-arounds to not do the "inherent magic stuff that gives the alien entities the opportunity to chew tiny holes in your brain" are the only things Mo (and the others) can do. The work-arounds have thus far been ritual magic and using invested things like the violin. Mo also seems to have very little control over using her superpower, which means her time as a Senior Auditor is probably limited - and maybe her time as a mortal too.
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Posted 27 July 2015 - 02:29 PM

View Postamphibian, on 23 July 2015 - 09:22 PM, said:

There's no real preventative measures to K-syndrome as it's been presented thus far in the books.

The work-arounds to not do the "inherent magic stuff that gives the alien entities the opportunity to chew tiny holes in your brain" are the only things Mo (and the others) can do. The work-arounds have thus far been ritual magic and using invested things like the violin. Mo also seems to have very little control over using her superpower, which means her time as a Senior Auditor is probably limited - and maybe her time as a mortal too.


I thought it was made pretty clear that they had a plan in mind to at least attempt to prevent it in the team and Officer Friendly.

Mo's superpower... dunno what to make of that and they really didn't explore it much. It wasn't clear whether it was a new power manifesting the way others were, or a byproduct of her being a senior practicioner with PTSD and work/life balance issues.

I did like the notion of her becoming an SA... her dealings with them suggested a level of respect and even awe at how long she had been managing Lecter.

I'll be very curious to see how her promotion and Bob's new status as management/'Eater of Souls' interact in the next book... assuming they even survive as a couple. The way Mo friended Mharie and Ramona suggests neither of them is future competition in that area.
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Posted 20 August 2015 - 05:51 PM

So, not reading any of this thread, but a question.

I bought the 'Bloodline Feud' duo (The world-traveling merchant princes thingy) and while it was sort of a cool idea, I found the writing and execution more 'meh' than anything.

Does Stross do better than this, or is he not for me? Thanks.
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Posted 21 August 2015 - 03:48 AM

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So, not reading any of this thread, but a question.

I bought the 'Bloodline Feud' duo (The world-traveling merchant princes thingy) and while it was sort of a cool idea, I found the writing and execution more 'meh' than anything.

Does Stross do better than this, or is he not for me? Thanks.


His LAUNDRY series is very different in all respects. I deeply disliked ACCELERADO, but preorder every Laundry book.So, yes.
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Posted 21 August 2015 - 06:34 PM

View PostObdigore, on 20 August 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:

So, not reading any of this thread, but a question.

I bought the 'Bloodline Feud' duo (The world-traveling merchant princes thingy) and while it was sort of a cool idea, I found the writing and execution more 'meh' than anything.

Does Stross do better than this, or is he not for me? Thanks.

Neptune's Brood is a genuinely well written hard science fiction. It's better written than his early Laundry stuff and Accelerando.
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Posted 02 December 2015 - 06:26 PM

Great article re LAUNDRY FILES at io9....

Note in particular next bookstitles, new pov character, and CASE NIGHTMARE RED!!!!!!!
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Posted 26 December 2015 - 10:46 PM

View PostAbyss, on 02 December 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:

Great article re LAUNDRY FILES at io9....

Note in particular next bookstitles, new pov character, and CASE NIGHTMARE RED!!!!!!!


I'm a bit disappointed that we will have to wait until book 8 to get back to Bob and find out how his Eater of Souls thing is going.

But still, CASE NIGHTMARE RED sounds pretty cool considering what Charles Stross said in that interview!
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Posted 29 June 2016 - 04:47 AM

Nightmare Stacks is pretty great. I enjoy the time away from Howard and seeing more of the effort to avoid the snuffing out of all humanity.

I do wonder about the narrative ease of a certain relationship and about the usage of Leeds as the gravitic center over London or somewhere else going forwards for the Laundry.

At the same time, Stross turned the end into an expansion of scope on a very good note. It was well done.
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Posted 29 June 2016 - 05:51 AM

View PostAbyss, on 02 December 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:

Great article re LAUNDRY FILES at io9....

Note in particular next bookstitles, new pov character, and CASE NIGHTMARE RED!!!!!!!


Oh shit. I was actually not going to bother with the next book because I didn't want to read another "not-bob" story, but Case Nightmare Red? Oh shit.

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Nightmare Stacks is pretty great. I enjoy the time away from Howard and seeing more of the effort to avoid the snuffing out of all humanity.

I do wonder about the narrative ease of a certain relationship and about the usage of Leeds as the gravitic center over London or somewhere else going forwards for the Laundry.

At the same time, Stross turned the end into an expansion of scope on a very good note. It was well done.


And now I just realized the book is out.

Gonna read it over the weekend.
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Posted 29 June 2016 - 06:14 AM

I really like the Not-Bob books because they show Stross's writing abilities more than using the same groove over and over again - which Jim Butcher suffers a little bit from.

I still think the BLUE HADES book (Jennifer Morgue) was the best one yet, but the second best was Nightmare Score (the Mo book).
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