[Peanutbutta]

D, on 21 January 2010 - 04:03 AM, said:

Meanas (Peanutbutta)
-Tao Qian (int Warlord)
-recruited night 2 -> becomes Yan Liang (off-1)
+1 army size night 3 (killed Tennes)
-1 army size (targetted by Korvalain)

Spite (Gwynn ap Nude)
-Liu Zhang (int Warlord)

Tennes (Illuyankas)
-Cao Cao (int Warlord)
-killed night 3 by Meanas

Korvalain (Morgoth)
-Lu Bu (off Warlord)
+1 army size night 1 (recruited Tulas)
-1 army size night 3 (targetted Meanas)
-lynched day 4

OK, I'm confused.

How did Illuyankas die when I killed him? Cao Cao is int and I was offensive. Since we were both rank 1, how did my kill succeed if int > offensive?

Also, how did Korv lose an army when he failed to recruited me? The rules say that the defending player loses an army, not the offensive player.

Poor Gwynn, nobody bothered him all game, but he played a good game

[Gwynn ap Nudd]

Path-Shaper, on 19 February 2010 - 06:55 PM, said:

*sigh* It's a shame Sukul did an enlist for Meanas and then went for Spite, because it ruins Spite's chances of a come-from-behind win . Still, Ruse has managed to survive to the final three (although there's no way he's forcing a tie with 8 players lined up against him.

I thought Omtose missed a trick - he should have voted Meanas. He knew that Meanas wasn't on his team because Meanas was voting for Telas. Then all they'd have to do was convince Ruse that they were the superior option, and they would have had a majority going into tomorrow.

Sir Thursday

Knowing a chance was that close makes the "victory" even more bittersweet. IMO it would have been justice served if the leader who was guarded for so many nights in a row came back to win.

But then, I may be biased in this case

[Peanutbutta]

Wow, I got hit by a ton of NAs and survived/dodged them all by pure luck of the matchup! Still not sure how I killed off Tennes, seems like I should have failed that. When I did that, I was able to 'fend off' Korv's recruit that night, and lost an army in the process, but ended up staying on the same team. Looks like a mod mistake, maybe.

Also, incredible that if Gem hadn't bumped me the last night, I would have suddenly wound up on Gwynn's team. Talk about dodging bullets!

[Gwynn ap Nudd]

Peanutbutta, on 20 February 2010 - 05:03 AM, said:

Also, how did Korv lose an army when he failed to recruited me? The rules say that the defending player loses an army, not the offensive player.

That bit was later corrected.

[Peanutbutta]

And why weren't those last few scenes posted? They were really good! Baudin went down like a fucking stallion.

[Gwynn ap Nudd]

In the end, I wasn't sure how many more games I would play as I know my time is limited, but I had so much fun in this one that I will definitely be back. The Korbas lynch lead up still cracks me up.

[Peanutbutta]

I gotta ask, why did you totally give my character (Yan Liang) the shaft in the end scene? Surely I warranted some consideration for my assistance? =(

Quote

Shao pointed first to Huang Zhong, then to Zhang Xiu, then to himself. "The heroes of the present day," he said, "number but three - and they are each at this very table."

[Peanutbutta]

[quote name='Path-Shaper' date='08 February 2010 - 12:45 PM' timestamp='1265661943' post='727545']
Okaralt:
[quote name='Okaros' timestamp='1265659020' date='08 February 2010 - 02:57 PM']
Ok, I'm sorta getting it now. So since everyone has an army size of one, I guess my only chance at succeeding (and not being stuck on the back foot for the rest of the game Heroes style) is to hit a defensive subordinate.

[size=5]I'm gonna put in a provisional in for [/size][size=5]Ruse[/size][size=5] - hopefully I'm not too far down the queue. No idea who might be offensive/defensive at this point, but I'm pretty sure that's PB. Maybe if he's on my side this time he'll break the game in my favour [/size][/quote]

LOL, I didn't break the game this time but I totally ran the table! Sorry Alt =(

[Peanutbutta]

Sir Thursday, on 09 February 2010 - 12:01 AM, said:

So looking at the listed NAs at the moment, it looks to me as though the following recruits were successful:

Spite (Gwynn) recruits Liosan (Silencer)
Okaros (Alt) recruits Ruse (The Dude)
Tulas Shorn (Shinrei) recruits Meanas (PB)

It's going to suit Shinrei being a faction leader - with the big army he can only be killed during the day for the time being, and PB is a useful ally. I pick them for greatness.


Sir Thursday

I agree... Shin, we would have been so great together! I would have lol'd mightily if I failed to recruit you and then immediately afterward you recruited me

[Peanutbutta]

Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2010 - 03:17 AM, said:

And Gwynn absolutely nails the game setup:

Spite, on 09 February 2010 - 03:03 AM, said:

My take on the set up:

I assume we have 14 factions to start, all players are warlords and the factions will be built up with successful recruits. As such the winning warlord is very likely to be a combination of lucky and online when the lynches occur in the first few days. A couple of early successes for anyone and it will be tough for a killer to get them until army raising powers come into play.

Hopefully Liosan logs in soon. I purposefully picked someone who had not posted yet, thinking it gave me a better shot of hitting someone who had not already had a successful action. I would rather not have to change that now as I bet most have orders in.

Heh, that's an interesting idea on it, I'll have to remember that for future games...

Spite, on 09 February 2010 - 03:47 AM, said:

Future games, sure

Gwynn was really good this game, just hard luck on the actions. I could have sworn me buddying up to him would get him lynched off, but he and I both took a page from the weasel's playbook this game and stayed lynchable and yet always out of reach.

This post has been edited by Peanutbutta: 20 February 2010 - 05:33 AM

[Gwynn ap Nudd]

Peanutbutta, on 20 February 2010 - 05:33 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2010 - 03:17 AM, said:

And Gwynn absolutely nails the game setup:

Spite, on 09 February 2010 - 03:03 AM, said:

My take on the set up:

I assume we have 14 factions to start, all players are warlords and the factions will be built up with successful recruits. As such the winning warlord is very likely to be a combination of lucky and online when the lynches occur in the first few days. A couple of early successes for anyone and it will be tough for a killer to get them until army raising powers come into play.

Hopefully Liosan logs in soon. I purposefully picked someone who had not posted yet, thinking it gave me a better shot of hitting someone who had not already had a successful action. I would rather not have to change that now as I bet most have orders in.

Heh, that's an interesting idea on it, I'll have to remember that for future games...

Spite, on 09 February 2010 - 03:47 AM, said:

Future games, sure

Gwynn was really good this game, just hard luck on the actions. I could have sworn me buddying up to him would get him lynched off, but he and I both took a page from the weasel's playbook this game and stayed lynchable and yet always out of reach.

I really had no choice, I knew as the game was going along that the other factions were growing while mine was not. I really tried to tread the line between looking like a sub and looking like a leader to avoid both lynches and being recruited or killed.

[Peanutbutta]

Path-Shaper, on 10 February 2010 - 04:22 AM, said:

Lastly, I'm retconning a wee bit in that instead of Ruse becoming Zhao Fan, he'll be Huang Zhong instead. I had written to use Zhao Fan with Han Xuan if necessary, but using inactive faction leaders as subordinates will just be too much crazybrainz for them I think so I am only going to merge subordinates if necessary but not use inactive faction leaders. I told Ruse about it and well I guess he'll know there is no Zhao Fan, but there's still 29 he don't know about so no big whoop.

Jesus Drek, talk about attention to detail!

[Peanutbutta]

Anomandaris, on 10 February 2010 - 11:14 AM, said:

I've been waiting for the star trek game to bite me in the arse.

Gods this is where I sometimes miss modcraft, I might have survived day 1 there. Whether because people will be wondering I'm sort of jester or they are not on until night is debatable.

My view I rather have fun than lurk.

My attitude is if you don't have a faction leader you don't need to include in your reasoning for lynching he is not my faction leader.

Heh heh, I've been holding that one for a while GK. You did help me to victory in another game, but I never forget to repay a debt!

[Peanutbutta]

[quote name='Path-Shaper' date='10 February 2010 - 08:52 AM' timestamp='1265820759' post='728304']
[quote name='Meanas' timestamp='1265820565' date='10 February 2010 - 11:49 AM']
Hrrrm, Did Telas just that horribad argument against me for a reason? Maybe he attacked me last night and didn't get a night result. Possible he's Offensive/Tactical? But then why would he try and out himself and potentially get a 'return fire' night action from me?

So tempting to change my target to him... but that violates one of my core philosophies about Mafia.[/quote]

Man, here's one time where my stated philosophy came back to bite me in the ass... I would have had Telas, even if my reasoning was off!

[Peanutbutta]

Path-Shaper, on 11 February 2010 - 04:26 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 11 February 2010 - 09:30 AM, said:

well that certainly ruined any advantage I had gained. Fuck.

I didn't plan on drinking much yesterday. I was going to have a beer and then go home early to work on a paper. Plenty of time to post I thought

Action noted, but I don't feel sorry for you.

Meanas, on 11 February 2010 - 04:17 PM, said:

Update the order.

Kill Tennes.

Okay.

Poor Morgy, lol... drunk posting = auto lynch.

Lucky we decided to lynch Liosan... he would have had me found.

And more humor at me and Tennes going at each other.

[Peanutbutta]

Path-Shaper, on 11 February 2010 - 06:01 PM, said:

^^now with underlining because no one reads the clues otherwise.

FWIW, I always read your scenes with extreme attention to detail, but I have a VERY hard time following much of the time. The Chinese names are all so damned similar (Wei Xu, Xan Lu, Lu Bu, Ah Chu), my English-attuned brain completely just blends all of them together. Plus, you write very well in the 'style' of an old Chinese novel, but the stylized writing is NOT my normal cup of tea and I get dizzy following it and keeping it all straight.

[Peanutbutta]

Path-Shaper, on 11 February 2010 - 09:40 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 09:57 PM, said:

I am officially screwed. But that's okay, because I did what I thought was the correct move. Should have tried to fly under the radar, but meh - done is done. *sigh*

God dammit, Gem, you will not die under my watch!

[Peanutbutta]

Path-Shaper, on 12 February 2010 - 01:17 AM, said:

Meanas, on 12 February 2010 - 12:42 AM, said:

Hrm, quite difficult to see this one through. Liosan is clearly baiting himself for NKs. I don't want to take the bait, so I'm going to just keep my current action.

I do wish Sukul would stop getting himself in trouble. I'm the symp, not him!

And Lio did get lynched, and I'm glad I didn't take the bait... would have gone so much differently. See, for every bad time on NA changing, there's always a good one to make up for it

[Peanutbutta]

Path-Shaper, on 12 February 2010 - 01:28 AM, said:

Meanas, on 12 February 2010 - 01:25 AM, said:

Hrm, hrm...

1 Vote for Telas ( Spite )
2 Votes for Liosan ( Korvalain, Omtose )
1 Vote for Meanas ( Tulas Shorn )
4 Votes for Spite ( Liosan, Meanas, Sukul Ankhadu, Ruse )

Who could Sukul's other recruit be? Ruse, with the earlier signal/case? Huge potential issue with that, since it got Sukul in trouble, so I doubt it.

Omtose seems possible, but that was Day 1... why would a recruiter start with a sub? Talk about unfair if that were the case...

It's not Liosan, Sukul was ready to bury that guy. No way it's Spite for the same reason.

Sukul seems willing to pick vocal players for a lynch. Tulas is a possibility... but would that mean Sukul started off as a non-tactical recruiter since Tulas didn't get recruited by me?

Korv is a possibility, too, simply because he was on the Liosan case, as well.

---

I'm not really sure why he's convinced of the existence of this imaginary 3rd member of Yuan Shao... weird.

I considered it a law of averages. On Night 2, the odds of me being recruited by a level 1 player were ~1/3, but the odds of getting recruited by a level 2 player were 1. Basically, I figured it MORE likely that my recruiter had a lucky Night 1. Turned out, it was a fail night 1 with no action, and then a lucky night 2 to catch a break.

[Peanutbutta]

Path-Shaper, on 12 February 2010 - 04:38 AM, said:

Spite, on 12 February 2010 - 03:30 AM, said:

Well, I may be done. We'll see whether my latest post digs me a deeper hole or gets me another day or two. Regardless, I may try to turn that into a train on Ruse so I had better change my NA.

Recruit Sukul Ankhadu (offensive)

At this point I think the chances of me successfully recruiting anyone are very low, it may be better for my chances at eventual victory that someone recruits me - but I've been getting too much heat now for that to be likely. Not that I have any intent on trying to be recruited, just that I am in a bad spot right now.

Spite, on 12 February 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

As a side note, I am fairly certain I had the layout of the game correct, and continually arguing based on what I believe are false pretences is a bit more difficult than otherwise. Basically, I cannot imagine I am the only one who thinks as I do about the set-up, so arguing from a basis of actual factions existing from the start relies on everyone else pretending that they do not know there were no factions at the start. I am tempted at times to yell at everyone talking about subs etc. saying there weren't any and we need to look at posts only from day two on, but that would be insta-death. Nicely laid out game, even if I am wrong.

That's reassuring - I win if you're wrong or if you're right! Action noted, of course.

I had the same idea at some point during the 3rd day, but I didn't voice it until later. Mad props gwynn